First, I have to thank Cannabis.com for the great success of my first grow. I had some problems with temps (being able to close the closet), the smell was leaking out of my apartment, and I didn't have anything to measure pH.

I invested a couple hundred euros to fix these problems, and so far, everything seems to be going good.

Here’s the list:

Seeds: Feminized Trainwreck from Greenhouse Seeds Co. Flowering time is 8-9 weeks (Last grow with one of these turned out very nicely!)
Soil: Biolan Musta Multa (N-100mg/l, P-60mg/l, K-400mg/l). I also put in about one quarter/one third vermiculite. I can’t find perlite here, and the last grow I used just soil and it was terrible to try and flush it. The vermiculite holds in the water and allows the water to run through with ease.
Nutes: Canna Terra Vega 3-1-4 (for veg) , Canna Terra Flores 2-2-4, Plagron, Green Sensation Top Activator 0-9-10 (Flores for flowering weeks 1-6/7, the top activator for weeks 2-6/7 of flowering
Light: 400 Watt HPS with Cooltube 12cm x 39cm long
Ventilation: 1 RUCK Tube fan RK100, 220m³ per hour, (129cfm), 10cm & 12cm aluminum duct (possible coming later: computer fan to blow over the tops)
Odor Control: Active Carbon Filter, 250 m³ per hour. 50cm long with 10cm connections, approx. 2,3 kg active carbon filling
Closet/Cabinet: 57cm x 57cm x 172cm tall (22.5in x 22.5in. x 67.5in.)
Vegetation: 24/0 light cycle

I sprouted these 2 Greenhouse Seed Co. Trainwreck seeds on Jan. 15, planted them in soil on Jan. 17, and one surfaced a day or so earlier than the other.

I first kept them under a couple 11w cfls’s and a 21w floro tube for the first couple weeks. Needless to say, not nearly enough light and when comparing it to my last grow, I knew it was time to get the 400hps in there.

Now it’s been about a week since I turned on the hps, and a couple days since I started half strength nutes. Today I started giving three quarter strength nutes, and raised the plants closer to the light. They are now about 30 cm from the cooltube, 33-34 cm from the light.

I’ve also been LST’ing a little bit this last week. I haven’t decided yet, whether I will SCROG or just continue the LST.

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nice looking setup bro. seems like the space might be a bit small for 2 plants but i dont know how trainwreck grows out, i'm leaning towards your idea of scrog over lst.

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Thanks for stopping by Animal. Yeah the closet got a whole lot tighter when I put in the fan and filter and cooltube, and another plant.

On my last grow I did the LST and it worked out well, but it was nearly impossible to keep all the tops at the same height. I've been planning for SCROG already, just not sure whether I could really do it. The advantage to the SCROG would be that I can control the tops (height/placement), but I know it takes a couple times to get it right. We'll see in few weeks...

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Got some pretty decent drooping going on in those plants. What's up with that?

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Not really sure... This happened last time also, but the leaves are very thick and feel solid. StinkyAttic said it could be because the reflection inside the closet is very good. I'm not too worried about it since last time everything turned out fine

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How do you like that fan? Does it give an approx decible rating? I have a similar 400hps closet grow going. A 75cfm computer fan exhausting my light works perfect now, but probably not when it gets warmer. I'll be keepin an eye on your grow. good luck - love that trainwreck.

Thanks jboog,

The fan has been quite a pleasant surprise up to now. I thought it would be louder, but we sleep 10ft. away from the cabinet, and the fan is on all the time without disturbing our sleep. I've kept mine on 24/7 for the last week, and its still humming like new.

The decible rating on the Ruck site says 57 for this model. I just noticed they have some other models, one with a 4-speed and one with temperature control.

Ruck Fan Specifications

Right now, my house is about 23 degrees Celsius, and the cabinet with the door closed stays at 30 degrees Celsius. Lower temps for flowering would be better, but I managed with these temps last time, no problem

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thanks for the info.

I'd definitely throw a little comp. fan in there. My veg 'room' is under a coffee table wrapped up in b/w plastic. I had two ladies vegging in there and I didn't rotate them for about a week. The one opposite the fan drooped like in your pictures above. A little more airflow and its leaves stood straight up. And I'm talking a tiny/silent 40mm fan...

Got a little computer fan and phone charger today. Gonna work on it and try to get it hooked up to the end of the intake piping, blowing on to the top of the plants. Maybe this will help the drooping, but I'm not too worried about it yet.

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It's been 29 days since I started this project. I went ahead and changed the closet setup. Tried a couple different ways, but in the end I lowered the light and hung the carbon filter and fan above the light. Now I dont have anything blocking the light and have the full grow area, and my temps dropped a few degrees to 28 C with the door closed and the light on.

Plants have jumped up also since the transplant. I dont know if it was the addition of the small computer fan blowing over the canopy, the re-pot to 10L buckets, or the fact that I have been watering it much less than before or my last grow. (Last grow, I was giving water sometimes 2 times a day, now the soil still feels a little damp a couple inches down. I think its the vermiculite, which is supposed to hold in water very well)

Whatever the reason, they are looking much better now, and could be ready for the SCROG sometime next week, and then ready for flowering maybe the week after.

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Some more pics...

I had to re-tie the main growth stem to get an even canopy, and just let if grow from there. If a shoot starts to really outgrow the canopy I'll tie it down, but otherwise I'll just wait to get the screen and let it grow into that.

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They were starting to get quite large, so i thought it was time for a transplant and the scrog.

Learned a valuable lesson about LST: Don't tie the string too tight...lol...sounds logical but I was really surprised how much she grew over the last few days (went out of town for 3 days). The main stem ended up breaking a couple nodes down, but its still somewhat attached, so I'm hoping for the best.

I've been trying to make the closet light proof also, but as you can see from the pics, there is still light coming from the exhaust in the top left of the closet.

These first couple pics are of the plants after transplant, but before I did the SCROG.

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Here's how I did the scrog. I tried to get press the chicken wire down on the plants a little bit, then I spread out the branches and growth stems at the same time. Finally, I used twisty ties to hold things in place. Except for taking off a couple crusty leaves from the bottom, I haven't done any trimming yet. I will probably let this go for a couple day before I switch to flowering. I'm doing this based on how much this same strain grew after switching to 12/12. I will probably have to maintain the screen for a couple weeks into flowering, then I can let everything grow upwards.

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those are some real good lookin plants

Hi Finn, nice plants!! I do think it is a bit warm in there, you should shoot for closer to 25 degrees. One thing I noticed was that your fan is between the filter and light. The fan should be last, after the light, as it pulls alot better than it pushes. It you put the fan on the exhaust port then the light, finally the filter, your temps may be a bit better!

How old is your kid? I was just admiring your pictures there. Everything looks nice and clean, good job.

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Yeah, the temps are a little problem, especially since I keep my house at about 23 C, its very hard to get that temp down. Not the best, but it should do...

As for the fan, the place I bought it from suggested pushing the air through the cooltube so that the fan doesn't overheat. This fan is rated for like 75 C i think, but just to be safe I did it like they said.

Thanks for stoppin' by

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Thanks dude... Tryin' my best here!

I think it was Jan. 15 that I germinated them, and Jan. 17 that I put them into the soil. But I only had a fluorescent tube and two 11w CFL's for the first couple weeks while I was waiting for all the new gear. They didn't grow much at all until I put them under the hps almost 3 weeks ago.

Should be ready for flowering very soon.

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Nah man it's a 400. I run a very similar fan with 2 400s and have not ever had a problem, in 2 + years. I have never seen anyone run it your way without being corrected, it is definitely the right way to go. Anyone else agree?

Oh, and if you must run it like that, do not bend before the light.. It really suffers when you force it around a bend, then into a light. The air just bounces around in the light before it blows out, and raises the temps quite a bit. That fan cost what, maybe 200$ american tops? That plant is worth much more. Forget that the fan probably will hold up fine. Even if you fry it eventually, the increase in yield could be substantial. Heat stress really slows the plants growth a bunch, I know this from experience! Plus the fan will be fine lol! If you still want to keep it that way no hard feelings, I just want to help out.

i agree

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Thanks for the input guys... I dunno, I'm thinking about how I could it...

The problem is that if I put the fan after the cooltube, there is no room for it in the closet, and if I somehow tie it to the top of the closet and hang it over the edge (outside of the closet), its gonna lean against the back wall and make a lot of vibrating noise.

If you have any ideas of how to mount the fan inside/outside my limited space, I'm all ears

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I went and changed my setup again, this is like the 4th different setup I have had with all the same equipment.

This new setup solved a lot of issues:
1) The fan is now pulling air through both the carbon filter and cooltube
2) Fewer bends in ducting - more efficient
3) With the fan last, now there is no more light leak from the exhaust
4) Should do something with the temps, The temps in the direct light are still about the same, haven't tried to measure it yet..

This change cost me about €3... Just bought some metal reinforcements, rope, and bolts/washers/nuts to hang up the fan.

I put the old tubing on the end of the fan, just for sound insulation because we have to sleep in this room also...

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Much Better!! How is that scrog tied down? or is it just like a trellis holding the plant together? I scrog with dwc. I built it out of pvc, after what I saw someone on here do, except he did it to a netpot and used chicken wire. This was a querkle mother I just picked clean last week, so I decided to throw her in the screen under a 400. She is in flower 3 days today!
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I'm using chicken wire and twist ties for the scrog. I pretty much just cut the chicken wire to size, pressed it down a little on the plants, and started to tie the growth shoots to the wire while tucking larger fan leaves below the screen. Yeah, its not evenly flat, hopefully that won't make it hard to maintain an even canopy. Plus when I'm done tying, I can cut away any extra chicken wire to make it easier to rotate/transport.

Just put mine into flowering last night. I'm expecting to be done sometime in late April. (I just hope my stash from the last grow is enough to last till then)

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