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Loafyboy · #1 (**permalink**) Feb-22-2009, 12:17

Well, it would seem that with the issues this forum suffered a while back a lot of threads and posts were lost. One of these was my grow log from my first ever grow (I was a bit gutted, but shit happens).

I have decided to start a grow log for my second grow (although my first grow is still in flower and has a 3 or 4 weeks left yet). But I am starting the next grow now so I can get the flower room back in action shortly after harvesting my first grow. I hope to ScrOG this grow to have an influence on the height of the plant as the current one is way too tall. It will be grown hydroponically in deep water culture (DWC).

I am only growing one plant at a time because it is for personal use (and so a few mates can try it), and I am not going to be selling any. So one plant at a time should be plenty for me.

I am taking clones from a mother plant and putting them in a home made bubbler. I used this bubbler to make these mother plants from clones taken from the original plant (that is now in flower). The bubbler is based on one in a thread by 'justanotherbozo'. That thread can be viewed HERE. Thanks for the info Bozo!

This log is starting with the mother plant, from which clones will be taken, rooted in the bubbler and the idea is to follow the grow all the way to harvest, with pics and info following the entire process.

So to start, here's a picture of the mother plant (growing in soil/perlite/vermiculite mix). She is a bit stretched and lanky because I had the 125w CFL envirolite too high for a few weeks (waiting for easy rollers to arrive).

So let the log begin........

headshake · #2 (**permalink**) Feb-22-2009, 12:35

can't wait to see where the adventure goes lofa! subscribed.

-shake

Loafyboy · #3 (**permalink**) Feb-22-2009, 12:55

First things first, I set about butchering the mother plant a bit. I removed about 6" off the top of the plant (Pic 1, quite a big clone), and then 5 more smaller cuttings (2 of which in pic 2).

Trimmed the base of the cuttings and put them in the bubbler. The water has a pH of 5.7 to start (this will rise a bit due to the airstones I would think), and an EC of 1.1 (~ 704ppm @ 640 conversion). I used Formulex to bring the EC to this level.

The bubbler is basically just a tub I bought from office world. It had a white translucent 'clip on' lid, so I sprayed it black.

I cut 6 holes in it with a hole saw (2 1/4"). It has two 6" air stones and a 2 outlet air pump (~300 l/h output) which gets the soup really bubbling! (Pic 3). I also have a 4 way valve which allows me to control the flow to each airstone individually, and in case I ever need more air stones, but that is unlikely.

I use pipe insulation (the foam type stuff) like stated in Bozo's bubbler thread to hold the clones in place. It does a great job!

Bubbler set up and ready to go! (Pic 4)

Loafyboy · #4 (**permalink**) Feb-22-2009, 13:14

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Originally Posted by headshake

can't wait to see where the adventure goes lofa! subscribed.

-shake

Thanks Shake, I hope I can make it an interesting read for you (and anyone else that reads it), I am just loving growing my own. It's a great little hobby, and means I have something else to do while at home instead of just surfing dirty pics and films on the internet!

Lit Up · #5 (**permalink**) Feb-22-2009, 14:43

Looking good there bro. I have noticed with my bubble cloner that more often my roots grow out of the pipe insi then the part that is actually hanging over the water. I can only imagine because it is darker and I may have a slight light leak. IDK if your following me, maybe I'll post a pic later.

Just don't worry too much if you think that they are not rooting cause a root might just pop out of that insi. Peace

P.S. You may want to trim up them leaves on those cuttings. The big ones anyways.

Loafyboy · #6 (**permalink**) Feb-22-2009, 14:51

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Originally Posted by Lit Up

Looking good there bro. I have noticed with my bubble cloner that more often my roots grow out of the pipe insi then the part that is actually hanging over the water. I can only imagine because it is darker and I may have a slight light leak. IDK if your following me, maybe I'll post a pic later.

Just don't worry too much if you think that they are not rooting cause a root might just pop out of that insi. Peace

P.S. You may want to trim up them leaves on those cuttings. The big ones anyways.

Hi Lit up,
The bubbler worked fine the last time I used it (with just plain pH'ed water), roots took about 10 days to start, but then got real long in no time, perfect to transplant to DWC bucket. I will pick the strongest clone once they are rooted, hopefully the biggest one!

Hope you follow this log man, I want to make it a good one!

GoldenGraham84 · #7 (**permalink**) Feb-22-2009, 15:45

yo lit - i know exactly what you mean. at first i just watched the bottom of the stem for roots, then i noticed that most roots start up by where the insulation is wrapped. i'm not sure why either, but hey, roots are roots.

my clones respond much better to the bubble cloner when i trim their leaves down to 1/2". fastest so far was 3 days.

Lit Up · #8 (**permalink**) Feb-22-2009, 16:17

Mine take a little longer cause I need to invest in a heating pad. The basement gets chilly. It's not that I can't afford it, it's just that I don't drive right now....and it's cold....and I'm lazy.

Loafyboy · #9 (**permalink**) Feb-25-2009, 14:56

Well, no sign of any roots yet, but the clones look incredibly healthy, so I guess I will have to wait a bit longer......

Just to keep the thread spinning I thought I would post a pic I just took of my current plant that is in flower at the moment, 5 1/2 weeks in...

Stay tuned, more updates as soon as the roots are forming!

Loafyboy · #10 (**permalink**) Feb-28-2009, 09:02

Well, 1 week in and still no roots, but the clones are looking fantastic and healthy. They actually look to have grown a bit even though they have no roots! No doubt the roots will show in the next 3-5 days. Can't wait to start vegging 1 of them in my spare DWC bucket!

I have learnt a lot from my first grow and intend to make this grow a real adventure for myself.....I will experiment with a few differnet techniques the main of which being the ScrOG technique. I have a few other ideas that I will reveal as and when I implement them!

chadsvb · #11 (**permalink**) Mar-07-2009, 12:29

Two weeks and no roots yet? Regardless, you said they're still growing. Have you seen signs of growth since your last update?

Loafyboy · #12 (**permalink**) Mar-08-2009, 09:14

Well, just checked on the clones and they are exactly like they were 8 days ago when I last posted. Can't be much longer before roots start and I can get on with this grow log. Here are some up to date pictures...they look the same as the last ones!

Loafyboy · #13 (**permalink**) Mar-14-2009, 10:27

Finally........over the last day or two roots have starting appearing on a couple of the clones! 2 weeks and 6 days (20 days) since they were put into the bubbler, only took about 11 days last time I used it!

The clones still look really healthy, so I guess I can't complain too much.

I gotta look on the bright side, it's progress and wont be long before I can transfer 1 to my DWC bucket....... so stay tuned, this thread will take off soon.

Thanks for looking! And check back soon......

Lit Up · #14 (**permalink**) Mar-14-2009, 11:20

Good to hear the loafy, I just finiahed up a batch of clones. Longest one took 16 days, shortest was 9. I'm playing with a few different techniques and getting to some different results. Oh botany is so fun isn't it?

Loafyboy · #15 (**permalink**) Mar-15-2009, 14:21

So this is where things should start to speed up.

I have transplanted 1 of the clones into a DWC bucket with a submersible air pump.

I pre soaked the clay pebbles for a while in pH 5.7 water. I then filled the bucket with tap water (quite hard ~ 500 ppm), added 10ml of Canna Aqua A and 10ml of Canna Aqua B (to around 775 ppm total. It's a little low but I will up it in a few days once the clone has settled in a bit). Then I adjusted the pH to 5.8.

I chose the clone with the strongest roots and put it in the net pot, ensuring the long root came through the bottom of the net pot. Clay pebbles were then carefully added around the clone (clone was as deep as possible in the clay pebbles for support, without burying the lower fan leaves).

The DWC bucket was then placed under a 125w 6400K envirolite. So with any luck we should see some crazy growth in the next few weeks!

I will shortly start to prepare for the ScrOG! So stay tuned, and hit me with those rep points if you like what you see!

Loafyboy · #16 (**permalink**) Mar-19-2009, 17:43

While checking on the plant in the bucket earlier, I realised it was looking a little rough. I lifted the lid of the bucket and the roots are growing nicely, but there was a white frothy substance on the surface of the nute solution.

I think the nute temps are too high, as I have not done anything different from my last grow which never developed froth. The only difference is a warmer grow area.

So I have changed the solution and will see how it goes.

If anyone has a suggestion as to what could be causing the froth, please let me know.

Thanks all!

Loafyboy · #17 (**permalink**) Mar-23-2009, 15:56

Since getting the nute temps under control things have started moving nicely. The roots are starting to take off and I am seeing some good new growth.

Because of the temp problems I had, I raised the light to give the plant a break. You can see some of the leaves near the middle are a bit blotchy and crappy, but the newer leaves are fine. Raising the light has meant the plant is stretching a bit, but this wont be a problem as I will be performing some low stress training and experimenting with the ScrOG technique.

I expect that over the next week or two the plant will grow like wild fire and will be ready to pur into flower in a few weeks.

Thanks for looking, let me know if you have any suggestions. Cheers all!

GoldenGraham84 · #18 (**permalink**) Mar-24-2009, 10:37

i'm experiencing the same frothy action you speak of, loafy. and i use canna aqua veges/flores too. i haven't experienced any negativity from it though. my 2 opium strain clones are still going strong in the frothy bubbler.

Loafyboy · #19 (**permalink**) Mar-24-2009, 10:52

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Originally Posted by GoldenGraham84

i'm experiencing the same frothy action you speak of, loafy. and i use canna aqua veges/flores too. i haven't experienced any negativity from it though. my 2 opium strain clones are still going strong in the frothy bubbler.

Hi GG,

For some reason my plant ('Phsyco Donkey' is the strain) doesn't like the frothy stuff and the leaves started becoming discoloured and blotchy. I put it down to 'bad' bacteria in the solution upsetting the roots. But I guess different strains can tolerate different enviromental factors. Since I have added more ventilation, the froth has gone and the plant is much happier. I never noticed the froth in my first grow, so knew it must be something to do with the environment, most likely temperature.

You must have a good hardy strain there, or mine is just a big softy!

GoldenGraham84 · #20 (**permalink**) Mar-24-2009, 11:03

yeah that's the best thing about the bagseed i work with currently. root rot was the only thing that ever has been able to kill it, so yay. the opium clones i have though are usually finnicky, so i'm glad they like the froth. was the discoloration similar to a magnesium deficiency? like rust spots on your leaves?

Loafyboy · #21 (**permalink**) Mar-24-2009, 11:46

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Originally Posted by GoldenGraham84

yeah that's the best thing about the bagseed i work with currently. root rot was the only thing that ever has been able to kill it, so yay. the opium clones i have though are usually finnicky, so i'm glad they like the froth. was the discoloration similar to a magnesium deficiency? like rust spots on your leaves?

I guess they are similar to rust spots I have seen from calcium deficiency, but bigger. Large patches of brown appeared on the leaves and the edges went crispy. After I cleaned the bucket out and gave it all a good scrub and reduced the temps it has been fine. Even the damaged leaves look to be semi useful still. It may have been an imbalance in the nute solution even, I guess I will never know for sure.

Just glad it is ok now!

Loafyboy · #22 (**permalink**) Mar-31-2009, 15:38

Wow! Has it been over a week since my last post with pics!

I will get some pics and info posted later............

Loafyboy · #23 (**permalink**) Mar-31-2009, 16:43

Ok then, the plant has started to do its thing, by which I mean grow quite quickly now. Since getting the issues under control it has started looking nice and healthy, all be it a bit lanky, but the LST I am going to subject it to will mean the lankiness won't be a problem.

It is nearing the point where I will start LST, so I will keep up to date with pics and info etc.

Below are some progress pics (above and below bucket lid), I am shocked at how big the fan leaves are compared to it's mother plant which is in soil, is it purely because of the fact it is being grown hydro? Well, stay tuned folks!

Lit Up · #24 (**permalink**) Mar-31-2009, 18:21

Go. Go. Go.

denialisback · #25 (**permalink**) Mar-31-2009, 21:07

nice plants loafy boy, doing a lot better than mine

keep up the good work!

Peace,
Denial

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