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Mar-01-2009, 16:17
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Denial is back with a K2/WhiteWidow/Redhair grow Log
Hey people,
Some of you might remember me as Denial! I'm back on the forums again, sorry I was away for some time had some personal problems. You may remember last time I grown red hair skunk to some success, the problem at the end was ph and i ended up with under 2oz from 4 plants, was pretty gutted  This time patience will be required, I've got some experience too. Instead this time I've started off with 1 x 125W 2200K CFL 1 x 125W 7400K CFL It's been exactly a month since I started this grow, from seed. Seemed like a good time to share my CFL grow. I've recently added 1 x 24 W 4000K Energy saving light - just for kicks I'm aware that plants aren't specifically interested in the red CFL at veg but I think it can have a positive impact in any case! Don't worry, no stretching And so there shouldn't! The 2 White Widow plants are under an inch from the bulbs!!!
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Mar-01-2009, 17:47
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I'm seriously considering getting 100 x 20Watt for 2 1000Watt CFL
(50 x 20W) growspace/growroom. I can source these bulbs from the UK for about $500 which seems reasonable! And they are at 4000k, I think 1000watt of these bulbs should be enough for start to finish? What does everyone else think? Wonder how hot it could get, hehhe peace, Denial
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Mar-03-2009, 14:10
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Quick Update
WhiteWidow 1month and day or 2 hehe.
Peace, denial
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Mar-03-2009, 14:19
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They look a bit small for a month... should be much bushier and maybe about a foot tall by now... You have enough light, but they are in the wrong place. You should have them above the plants also, and if they are more than 2-3 in. from the plant, they aren't doing much. CFL's and flouro need to be within that distance to work properly.
I don't about the idea of those bulbs either... yea $500 is a pretty decent price, but you will need ventilation($$$), and a lot of sockets ($$$), and a lot of cords (hazardous). 400 or 600w hps w/ proper ventilation will cost probably as much, but much less hassle.
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Mar-03-2009, 14:35
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amen, finn
trying to cram low watts CFLs defeats the purpose. Much better lumen per watt with t-5 HO lamps (tubes). Efficient, if you cover the tube area with growth.
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Mar-11-2009, 22:42
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1 Month 2 Weeks from seedling, White Widow + K2 Seedlings
little update for ya guys... after i took the pics i repositioned the lights so theres one on the left and one on the right, effectively sandwitching the 2 pots between. I think this way I'll get maximum reflectivity and locality without having to hang the reflectors till flowering!
I have also noticed some slight yellowing, these plants are only small it has been 6 weeks in this biobizz soil.. I guess I need to start adding bloom ferts and start flowering  I only have bloom ferts! :-)Hmm... at least I think thats the problem.. any ideas anyone? Peace, denial
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Mar-11-2009, 23:06
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They just look as if there is a problem. Very droopy, how is ventilation? What are your temps? I would put your lights above them, give them something to grow toward. Keep the smaller ones on the sides.
What is your water schedule, or how much they drinking and how much you watering them?
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Mar-11-2009, 23:27
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Yeah dude, I agree.. I'm watering them every 3 or 4 days, I always check the roots get a dry cycle kinda wise to that sort of thing. Unfortunately I had some bad luck with the weather, so much so I had to switch from 17/7 to 24/0 because it was getting so cold. I don't think they liked it at all, I'm guessing it's either that or nutes! Yeah, I'm gonna reaffix the lamps in a sensible place; as I mentioned I did move them so they are parallel sandwitching the plants, maybe they'll be happier with more light/heat. We'll find out shortly I guess :-) Thanks for the advice homes! Peace, Denial
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Mar-13-2009, 19:23
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Switched to 13/14
Just started to flower these two plants, may take clones and setup sep veg room , at least when i get out the HPS, after i buy my cooltube
decided to forget bout buying shitloads of CFL's, the comments here were sane about just cooling a HPS proper, thanks for saving me some time Still, a future project there!!!Wish me luck, i switched to flower at these plants @ 1 foot for a reason... no veg ferts and at 6 weeks now so want to us biobloom wohoo its so great to be back!! Peace, denial
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Mar-18-2009, 20:27
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thanks for the advice guys...
so i've decided to go back to HPS but this time im gonna use a cool tube Budget Cool Shade reflector only (IEC connection) Bio Bizz All-Mix 20 Litre Lti Extractor Fans 5" RVK125 A1 250m3/hour. Nitric Acid 1 Litre (PH DOWN for hard water areas) 125mm (5") Aluminium Ducting This is gonna cost me roughly $200. woo but it should go a long way in making my rig that bit better. It'll then be a perpetual grow like: Flowering Room: 12/12 1 Cool tubed 400W HPS Growlux 1 x 125W Red 7.2k cfl 0.2625kwh/day 7.875kwh/month 189.0kwhrs/month 189 x 10p(offpeak) = £18.90/month OR ~$30.00 OR ~Euro 20.02 Vegging room: 24/0 1 x 125W White 2.2k CFL 1 x 24W Mid-Ranges 4000K CFL 0.149kwhrs/day 102.28kwhrs/month 189 x 13p(peak) = £13.29 OR ~$22.00 OR ~Euro 14.07 674 Watt Lights + 60 watts RVK125 cool shade extractor + 60 watts RVK100A carbon filter cab extractor Total Watts: 794 watts Approx cost month: 12.35kw/h == 34.09 Euro/month So basically it will cost me nothing to run this perpetual grow. *looks happy with himself *tsk tsk tsk! Let me know what you guys think and if I have missed anything. I attatch a picture of the current setup.. looking forward to making the veg room and getting the hps fitted with a cooltube  Wish me luck!!! and advice if you got any Peace, Denial
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Mar-18-2009, 20:29
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It turns out I'm having some major PH problems and I'm sitting at PH 7.0 or something
damn hard water. thats what that nitric acid solution is for :-)hope it is ok to use it with my biobizz bloom!!! Woohoo! Shop tomorrow, fun fun.. Peace, Denial
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Mar-19-2009, 21:49
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just got back from the shop... man im tired... installed some of the gear in the grow room, looking good so far
 400 Watt Grolux cooltube is running cool, pulling air in at 330m3/minute or something... very nice PK fan i'm using with 2 settings funky... and veryyy handy if i go stealth..I also made a purchase of some PH Down solution for my soil fertiliser mix. The guy in the shop was insistant that it's not "good practice" to use phosphoric acid 81% solution for a soil ph adjustment. I dig that advice but I think he was being a bit para.. I am talking about 1ml per litre max, more like 1 per 2 litre... 1:2000 so 81% of 1ml in 2000 = factor 81%/2000 = 0.0405% phosphoric acid... hummm that seems acceptable if I'm getting a PH just under 6 or 7... Anyways thats my thoughts... I used some CAT5E network cable to create a modest 'ghetto' rail for my HPS. It's okay I was very dilligent at making it as safe as possible, more photo's showing its safety features soon I've watered my poor plants, it's been almost 2 months and they only look a few weeks old, farking CFL weren't powerful enough/wasnt hanging them/had a bad setup! Fixed!!! Only problem i encountered was that the 5M of ducting wasn't enough, so I had to setup a temporary 'ghetto' air exchange point too. Which is actually an old LCD TFT box, works a dream, some pressure loss and some recirc but honestly 25% max... not bad for a ghetto exchange )Anyways, anyone got any advice re my PH? I know the reason my plants are getting lockout is because I have hard water and it is messing with the PH of my soil now the buffers gone. This happened last time. I'm using allmix. Soil PH is 7.0 so, I've applied a 1:1700 solution of phosphoric acid to see if it balances the soil PH, oh god I hopeso!! don't want dead plants since that'd be a first for me... PLEASE! any advice rocks.. cause I'm not sure what to do now :< Peace, Denial
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Mar-19-2009, 21:54
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ok so I thought I'd post a pic of my ghetto air exchange that i gotta use, cause my 5 metre ducting too fscking short
Also a picture of my "hydroponic" PH adjuster solution, meh BS will work with soil, watch it work! *hopes* anyone with experience who wants to pitch in, god i'd appreciated it rasta.. Ahh well homes, all in a days work.. back to dayjob Peace, denial
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Mar-19-2009, 22:45
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I guess its time to setup the veg cab!! hmm, or shall I do that tomorrow
Decisions decisions!bump , anyone wanna comment on my plants? They look sick don't they Not to worry phosphoric acid HPS PK super dualspeed air cooltube to the rescue!1!! Peace, Denial
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Mar-20-2009, 00:23
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hey all,
It's getting late and I'm sitting here like a stoner worrying over adding 1ml /2ml phosphoric acid to my 2litre water bottles. Am I going crazy? Can anyone advise me on this ph stuff? I know the soils sitting at 7.0.. please don't say "get a meter" i'm poor, I have some basic PH testing kit, I know its at 7.0 I just want to know "ITS OK" to do this without a hydro setup heh.. I never realised it was a "biggie" till the guy at the grow shop was freaking out about the idea ehehe.. especially when i almost bought the nitric acid for flowering lmao.. in the case of nitrogen overload in flowering being bad, i stood totally corrected in such matters, still I think its a bit fly by night to writeoff using acid as a PH corrector... unless I can get build ups of that.. but surely not phosphorous should be a result of using it?? Oh I can be such an idiot when it comes to growing sometimes, possibly all of the time hehe. Peace, denial
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Mar-20-2009, 09:00
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hey denial
I like the new setup... you should have no problems keeping the temps in range and more than enough light sooooo... I think something's wrong below ground... Also what size pots are those? Have you checked to see if you are root-bound? Does the biobizz have all the necessary nutrients? Sorry I'm not too good at troubleshooting...
Hope they perk up for ya... 
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Mar-20-2009, 12:59
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it cost enough, gee... shame I got ducting accross the room lol because at the moment its too short hehe. I'm not sure but I think these are 4 or 5 litre pots they are pretty big. I added some more soil to raise the soil level, and added that phosphoric acid water solution to them. They look happier now but maybe thats just the HPS doing its magic.. meh I guess we'll see in time. now what have i to do next? hehe Peace, Denial
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Mar-20-2009, 15:23
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1 month 20 days Veg
I decided to put these back into veg so i can take 10 or so cuttings to get 6 females in the end, including the 2 (hopefully) mothers.. oh i so hope i don't get hermies
(Here's some pics, the HPS has made the plants happier, as has the phosphoric acid 2ml : 2litre solution. I know they are a bit on the small side, thats my fault re nutes and PH. fixed now I hope!! More to come shortly! Let me know if you agree or have any other ideas as to what could be wrong with the plants. As far as I can tell they aren't rootbound, not yet I also decided to see what would happen running the HPS 24/0, since the CFL's were... so far so good. I noticed in the day things get a bit on the warm side, so decided to blow the air out the vent instead of suck it into the cooltube, working better, I think.. not sure though, anyone got any idea whats best?? this is my first cooltube you see Peace, Denial
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Mar-20-2009, 19:09
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suck in or blow out that is the question
does anyone know whats best? our summers rarely exceed 24C and I intend to run the HPS at night.. do you think it would be better to suck air from outside in instead of try and extract the heat. I have found that latent heat seems to warm its surroundings when extracting air... just a thought.
If anyone has some advice or experience in such matters I'd very much appreciate someone chiming in ther Thanks guys. another good log, so far.. ish ;] Peace, Denial
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Mar-20-2009, 22:03
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Extract hot air and bring in some fresh air!!!! DO both! if you can! With my setup, I bring fresh air in. It's easier for me. without fan it's like 88-90f in there. With it it's more like 83f. Never try to push hot air out! I'll try that on monday! (Cuz on week-ends I leave the closet door open so they enjoy fresh clean air every second of their 12 hour shift!!)
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Mar-20-2009, 22:06
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aha thats why it was getting hot
I worked out my ghetto air exchanger was shit. So I made another one with 100% success this time. I cut all the holes tight so i have to force things in a bit.. but its snug and secure
and most importantly safe..I attatch a picture with some patent text (ahem.. lol).. so basically I spent all my money on the cooltube and new 125mm PK 330m3/hour /230m3/hr interchanger and failed to buy enough ducting, as a result I had to use the ducting from an air con in combination with the 125mm ducting i had connected to the PK and the cool tube. As it worked out the box the cooltube was in was perfect for this, obviously And so I present to you the amazing ghetto blower 2000..Peace Denial
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Mar-20-2009, 22:10
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In the summer I think I'm gonna have to install a second filter of some kind to catch bugs and pests (dont wanna bring that shit in ), so i can suck cold air in.. in the summer it'll be crazy just trying to keep temps down..hmm sure hope my thinking is right there. Unfortunately I only have one vent so unless I work out a way to valve it (I could work out a system I'm sure) - to go off the one AC feed vent I have Ohhh man, this is so fun.. Peace, Denial
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Mar-20-2009, 22:55
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Hey Denial
Worked better for me to pull all the air... so much so that I took my fan and mounted it outside of my growbox! Dropped the temps from 30-31C to 27-28C. I keep the outside room around 24-25, and just a passive intake. What's with the ghetto-blower? What's in there? What does it do? Did I miss something?
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Mar-20-2009, 22:57
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Okay not sure but would it be safe to say have one fan that sucks air out hooked on a cool tube right. An have another one that pushes fresh air in your box/ cool tube advise plz.? I guess not sure but wondering if that would be okay. I still don't know a lot about the vent. but am looking for a feed back on this now? So tell me what you guys think?
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