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jakezking · #1 (**permalink**) May-05-2009, 11:21

The water is really startin' to warm up, so I thought I'd finally jump in....

What we have here is my 3rd grow log which will hopefully lead me to a greater understanding of growing the green. I've learned a bit from my previous grows - mainly because I know how to fuck shit up and I learn the hard way. And, if it weren't for this great board and the kindness of its incredibly experienced members, I would never have gotten my hands dirty. Thanks to all of you!

The beans/seedlings/plants you will bear witness to herein are:

1st Batch
2 Bubblelicious
2 Old School - bagseed from bagweed that reminds me of my high school daze
1 PPP
1 Colombian Red Haze

2nd Batch
1 Lemon Skunk
1 Northern Lights
2 Sour Cream
3 Super Silver Haze

3rd Batch
2 Lemon Skunk
2 Northern Lights

Now, as you will notice, I screwed up my first batch pretty good when I sprayed them with an over-concentrated Neem Oil mix. The lower leaves look burned and disfigured. The spray turned many of the leaves white/transparent and stunted the crap out of 1 OS, the PPP, and the CRH. Like I said, I know how to tear shit up! But, the point is made, and I will read directions on how to properly mix any and all items that will contact my plants - Lesson Learned.

The plants began their lives soaked in water until they sank, thereafter finding themselves in an airy wet paper towel placed on a plate on top of my cable box. All popped tap roots in such manner, and the only casualties (1 LS and 1 NL only suffered because I can fuck shit up! - I pulled their caps off a bit early, resulting in the wilting of the cotyledons).

Once taproots showed, the beans were placed with taproots down in peat pellets with beans covered by a small amount of peat - about the depth of the width of the bean. Once roots began showing through the sides of the peat pellets, I placed/will place them in 20oz Silo cups. I poked 1 hole in the bottom of the cups with other drain holes poked around the bottom sides. All plants are in a soil mixture containing mainly Scott's Premium Soil, which is a very light and airy mulch-like mixture; I really like it so far. I've added about 1/4 more Perlite. The 1st Batch also enjoys a bit of added Vermiculite. And, when transplanting into the Silo cups I added/add a sprinkling of rooting hormone powder to aid in root development.

I have not broken down to purchase any really good nutrients - I need to, but will probably only do so when my conveniently purchased Lowe's/Home Depot available nutes are gone. I have for veg - Schultz Plant Food Plus with 10-15-10 percentages. My flower nutes are Green Light Super Bloom having percentages of 12-55-6.

I have followed the general rule of thumb of mixing nutes around 1/4 to 1/2 strength starting out, and work my way up to full strength - backing off and flushing if notice any ill effects. I really am looking forward to these nutes being gone, as I know my life will be much easier working with more cannabis-friendly nutes with real mixing/feeding schedules.

With all of that lengthy preamble out of the way, we join our log already in progress with pictures from yesterday - pictures to be posted below in add-on posts.

jakezking · #2 (**permalink**) May-05-2009, 11:27

1st Batch was around day 36 of veg - I track start of veg from poppin' of the cotyledons. I know some people track veg differently, providing for the time when the sprout is a mere seedling, which when leaving the seedling stage then enters the vegetative phase. I have a sincere problem with counting, so I'm keeping it as simple as possible.

These pictures show the 2 Bubblelicious. The first 2 pics show the confirmed male, which I am keeping to breed with select females so I don't have to keep buying beans. I topped the male below all of its pollen sacs in an effort to slow it down while the other plants show sex. The next 2 pics show the 2nd Bubblelicious, which hasn't showed sex. The final picture shows the 2nd Bubblelicious where I topped it.

More pics of the 1st Batch to follow below....

jakezking · #3 (**permalink**) May-05-2009, 11:33

The first pic here is of the healthy Old School - it still has some deformed leaves, and it's only healthy in comparison to the other OS, which is shown in the 2nd pic; notice how stunted and awkward the growth is? The 3rd pic shows an equally ugly PPP, and the final 2 pics show the burgeoning CRH.

The PPP and the CRH are really beginning to come on strong since I've begun their vegetative nutrient regime. I don't know if it shows in these pics but that over-concentrated Neem Oil incident fimmed the tops of the PPP and the CRH. Basically I think it burned off their tops.

fluid69 · #4 (**permalink**) May-05-2009, 11:37

looks good jake! I'm tuned in for this one. I want to see that lemon skunk and northern lights. did you get fem seeds? (other than the bag seed)

jakezking · #5 (**permalink**) May-05-2009, 11:40

The first pic is a nice group shot which shows all of the 2nd Batch beauties early in their development. You should see the markings on the sides of the Silo cups showing which plant is which strain. The EG in the mix is an Early Girl tomato.

The 2nd pic is an apical shot of a Sour Cream (DNA).

The 3rd pic is a shot of the Northern Light (Homegrown Fantaseeds).

The 4th pic is of the Lemon Skunk (Feminized Greenhouse Seeds).

And, the 5th and final pic is of a Super Silver Haze (breeder unknown as the seeds came from a dang good bag from a friend - local growers who know what they're doing). I found 8 beans in the bag - lucky me!

jakezking · #6 (**permalink**) May-05-2009, 11:48

Last but not least is the 3rd Batch. Due to my previously-mentioned issues with a LS and a NL, I decided I needed a couple more of each in my mix.

The first pic shows the close group shot - the peat pellets were placed in an old muffin pan to keep them in order so I remember which is which, as well as to keep a small bit of water in each to keep them from drying out. Lemon Skunks are top with Northern Lights on bottom. The stray NL on the left is 1 that I yanked its cap off too early. It's first set of leaves is extremely small, spilling out of the stem; I'm not sure it will make it, but I don't want to throw it out just yet as it has stayed green and healthy so far.

The 2d pic is of a LS.

The 3rd pic is of a NL.

The 4th pic is of the other NL with its cap still on; I pulled its cap off earlier today, and it's cotyledons are spreading in the sunshine.

The 5th pic is of an African Violet - turned out to be a decent macro shot, so I thought I'd fill the last photo slot with somethin' perty for all you flower lovers. I mainly like flowers with incredible scent, such as Gardenias, but these African Violets are truly beautiful.

jakezking · #7 (**permalink**) May-05-2009, 11:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by fluid69

looks good jake! I'm tuned in for this one. I want to see that lemon skunk and northern lights. did you get fem seeds? (other than the bag seed)

Sweet! fluid, it's good to see you on board, especially so early! I appreciate you following along - you can get to see me goof on these plants showing how hardy and how much torture they can really endure at the hands of a novice grower.

The LS is a fem variety from Greenhouse; they were relatively inexpensive as a fem, which is why I actually bought them. I'm pretty darn cheap. The rest of the beans I purchased (SC from DNA and NL from Homegrown Fantaseeds) are not fem. I'm not certain of the SSH heritage or the bagseed, as you stated. The bagseed is interesting though, as several have had the purple stems, which is genetic as compared to a nute deficiency since I noticed it on a previous grow last year. The Bubblelicious and PPP are both Nirvana, and the Colombian Red Haze is from Seedsman - you can check out a previous grow log of mine on the CRH (I think I called it Red Colombian Haze, since I'm 1/2-way dyslexic). The CRH is an incredible smoke - sweet sativa dominance!

Thanks again for stoppin' in, fluid!

And, I look forward to any and all other comments, suggestions, and salutations!

lunarose · #8 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 00:18

Jake, I was just about to ask you if you had a grow going and look at what I found

And aren't you the ambitious Elvis 17 babies. I'm good at screwing things up too fortunately I am almost as equally good at mousing over my screw ups.
They are all looking good even your first batch. Are they outside? If they are then they'll have plenty of time to recover from their neem od. If they are inside I'd give them at least 6 weeks before flipping them. While neem oil is safe to use and all that I'd want to make sure that the "extra" dose of it is long gone before I'd smoke it but that's just me

headshake · #9 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 01:01

looking good jake! nice selection and variety. i'll be following along.

-shake

syde00 · #10 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 10:43

haha, i love the muffin pan! that is brilliant!

Dutch Pimp · #11 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 11:15

Looking good ...Jake

Is this happening on that lovely back porch of yours?...

jakezking · #12 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 12:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by lunarose

Jake, I was just about to ask you if you had a grow going and look at what I found

And aren't you the ambitious Elvis 17 babies. I'm good at screwing things up too fortunately I am almost as equally good at mousing over my screw ups.
They are all looking good even your first batch. Are they outside? If they are then they'll have plenty of time to recover from their neem od. If they are inside I'd give them at least 6 weeks before flipping them. While neem oil is safe to use and all that I'd want to make sure that the "extra" dose of it is long gone before I'd smoke it but that's just me

luna, thanks for droppin' in to check on all my lil' ones. They are outside, so it's just going to take a bit more time for them to recover. Half of them are well on their way, with the other half still recuperating. I too have gotten good at correcting my mistakes - chiefly because I have had much practice! It is good catching up with you after our long Winter sabbatical.

Quote:

Originally Posted by headshake

looking good jake! nice selection and variety. i'll be following along.

-shake

Thanks for joining me on this fun adventure, shake. I couldn't control myself on wanting to have a couple of each bean strain; hopefully I'll be able to keep up with all of them!

Quote:

Originally Posted by syde00

haha, i love the muffin pan! that is brilliant!

Oh do you know the muffin man,
The muffin man, the muffin man?
Oh do you know the muffin man,
That lives in the Deep South?

Okay, I did take a bit of liberty in changing the old nursery rhyme, but I always wanted to be the muffin man - maybe the muffin top man since muffin tops are the best! Glad to have you along for the ride, syde!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch Pimp

Looking good ...Jake

Is this happening on that lovely back porch of yours?...

DP, me ole matey! Glad to see you around these parts. Yeah, since I had a bit of success this past year with container growing, I thought I'd stick with it this season. It was nice having plenty of bud to tide me over these past Winter months; it was nice being able to give plenty to friends also - even though it's a bit frustrating not being able to tell them where it came from. Hopefully this year will work out well too! I'm happy to have your experienced eyes lookin' over my log. Welcome!

Shovelhandle · #13 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 13:23

Hey, I've used the aluminum muffin tins with peat pucks. That works good. Looking fine, 'muffin top' (that's where your gut squishes out of your drawers all around the front, sides, back. Pretty, eh? lol

dgsgandalf · #14 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 15:13

Nice selection of strains! I'm actually just starting some super silver haze seeds myself. I hear hazes are pretty difficult to grow. Any tips you can give me like more/less nutes, large/small pot, etc?

I'll be following along. Good luck!

Italiano715 · #15 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 15:16

Just catching up with your log and I must say they are starting to look wonderful....Can't wait to see how your SSH comes out....I grew SH in my last grow and I was happy with it. Was not as hard as I thought it would be, but I def. could have done things better!

Here were mine about 2 weeks before harvest! Hopes yours treats you well also!!!

Divestoned · #16 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 15:35

I saw all the car's parked out front and figured since everyone else is here,ill stop in for a few.I never been one to miss a good party.First guy to pass out Get's his head shaved.

Dive:stoned;

Italiano715 · #17 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 15:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Divestoned

I saw all the car's parked out front and figured since everyone else is here,ill stop in for a few.I never been one to miss a good party.First guy to pass out Get's his head shaved.

Dive:stoned;

LMAO! I will be the one to hold em down and then we'll give them a swift kick to the

Weezard · #18 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 16:04

"Once taproots showed, the beans were placed with taproots down in peat pellets with beans covered by a small amount of peat - "

Aloha JZK.

I have some information that may be useful to ya.
turnaround.JPG

The way.JPG

Good to see ya back in the saddle.

Regards
Weezard

Divestoned · #19 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 16:12

That's an interesting notion there weezard.I will do a few test's to see if I agree or not.Thank's for the info.

Dive

fluid69 · #20 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 18:06

hey weezard, what book was that from? I gotta check it out.

Weezard · #21 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by fluid69

hey weezard, what book was that from? I gotta check it out.

Aloha fluid69

Very old one. Cpywrt '79 & '86
Marijuana
The Cultivator's Handbook
Bill Drake

Ronin Press
out of Berkely.

Lost my original copy and could not remember which side went up, so I just bought a new copy.

Had I thought it through,
the shape of the seeds gives a clue.

Falling to ground, I'd guess, from the aerodynamics, that most of them land pointy side up
Kind like a teardrop.
(No, wait, small drops of liquid are round when falling. Judging from all the high-speed photos I've seen.)
But the falling comment still stands.

I only had 5 seeds, so I looked it up before I planted them.

And, if you think about the need to shed the husk it makes even more sense.
The stem's curve gives it leverage and pulling the partially opened husk through the soil in that direction helps to open and remove it.
Since I started doing it this way, I have not had to "help" one seedling shed it's husk.
The husks stay in the soil.

Regards,
Wee Zard

quarteroy · #22 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 18:58

yeah im interested you are growing 2 of the same strains as me now

Lemon skunk from green house cant wait to see how mine compare under the Led. Think they are just about as far along too. what day did you seed yours? How long are you planing on veggin them? Oh and we are using same Veg fert. I use FF stuff for flower though. Glad to see you are watching my log as well.

(crap thanks weez just realized ive put every seed ive ever done in wrong.)
Peace

jakezking · #23 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 19:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shovelhandle

Hey, I've used the aluminum muffin tins with peat pucks. That works good. Looking fine, 'muffin top' (that's where your gut squishes out of your drawers all around the front, sides, back. Pretty, eh? lol

Muffin tops just means good livin', right? It's good to have you on-board here, Shov, especially since you're growin' out some SSH as I type. My lil' SSH seedlings seem to be doing pretty well right now, but I've got plenty o' time to mess things up, so pull up a chair and watch me smash some watermelons with my big sledgehammer!

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgsgandalf

Nice selection of strains! I'm actually just starting some super silver haze seeds myself. I hear hazes are pretty difficult to grow. Any tips you can give me like more/less nutes, large/small pot, etc?

I'll be following along. Good luck!

gandalf, it's a pleasure to have you along for the ride - I know I've seen some of your outdoor grows on this board, so it's nice having another outdoorsman looking over this grow. I've not messed with SSH before, but have grown some Colombian Red Haze last season. It was a really slow grower, and it took a long while to flower (90 days); but, it was pretty hardy from what I remember. If you're just starting your SSH, I'm lookin' forward to your log too. Shovelhandle has a SSH grow going on right now, and there may be another somewhere; it seems like I remember DTRave growin' some out not long ago too. It sure is some quality smoke, so I'm lookin' forward to seeing it firsthand from start to finish.

Good luck with your grow, my friend, and list your link in here so I can join in your show!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Italiano715

Just catching up with your log and I must say they are starting to look wonderful....Can't wait to see how your SSH comes out....I grew SH in my last grow and I was happy with it. Was not as hard as I thought it would be, but I def. could have done things better!

Here were mine about 2 weeks before harvest! Hopes yours treats you well also!!!

Italiano - I know I've lurked in your logs before, and I apologize if I have not left any comments. I get easily sidetracked, especially when I'm on this board! I'll definitely keep up with your logs from here on out, and I'll appreciate any and all advice you can give along the way, as your SH look incredible. Those pics really show how they get their Haze name - those buds look like they're cloaked in a fog! Sweet! Thanks for stopping by, my friend!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Divestoned

I saw all the car's parked out front and figured since everyone else is here,ill stop in for a few.I never been one to miss a good party.First guy to pass out Get's his head shaved.

Dive:stoned;

If I knew it was gonna be that kind of party, I'd of stuck my dick in the mashed potatoes - sorry for the Beastie Boys' lyrics, but it's one of my favorite party comments. Glad to see you here, Dive - let's just all keep the mashed potatoes clean, eh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weezard

"Once taproots showed, the beans were placed with taproots down in peat pellets with beans covered by a small amount of peat - "

Aloha JZK.

I have some information that may be useful to ya.
Attachment 217481

Attachment 217482

Good to see ya back in the saddle.

Regards
Weezard

Weezard, I always appreciate your presence and all wisdom you bring along. You have a way with your words too. And, thanks for these photos and comments - I had always assumed the tap root would head straight South, but it appears I was incorrect.

I've attached a pic of the approximate condition of my beans upon planting in the peat pellets. I always place the longer taproot well down in the pellet, with the cap marginally under peat. I wonder if it still dances a lil' jig before poppin' its head above the peat to spread its cotyledons?

I'll be interested in Dive's experiments in this regard. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge, Weezard! You are always lookin' to help folks out, and I'm always needin' help, so we make a pretty good team, eh?

jakezking · #24 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 19:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weezard

Aloha fluid69

Very old one. Cpywrt '79 & '86
Marijuana
The Cultivator's Handbook
Bill Drake

Ronin Press
out of Berkely.

Lost my original copy and could not remember which side went up, so I just bought a new copy.

Had I thought it through,
the shape of the seeds gives a clue.

Falling to ground, I'd guess, from the aerodynamics, that most of them land pointy side up
Kind like a teardrop.
(No, wait, small drops of liquid are round when falling. Judging from all the high-speed photos I've seen.)
But the falling comment still stands.

I only had 5 seeds, so I looked it up before I planted them.

And, if you think about the need to shed the husk it makes even more sense.
The stem's curve gives it leverage and pulling the partially opened husk through the soil in that direction helps to open and remove it.
Since I started doing it this way, I have not had to "help" one seedling shed it's husk.
The husks stay in the soil.

Regards,
Wee Zard

Thanks again, Weezard! With your additional explanation, I understand even better; I've always let my taproots grow out a bit longer rather than plant them in the peat pellets once I see a smidge of root. I thought I was doing the beans a favor, but I've always had problems with them not shedding their caps - probably 1 of 4 beans I have to provide an assist; and, I've even screwed that up a time or 5! Serious and sincere thanks to you for the pics, but also for the follow up, my friend! Mahalo!

P.S. - final edit, I promise - I tried to rep you for your awesome gifts of knowledge, but the board won't let me since I must have repped you not long ago; looks like I need to share the wealth a bit more, but the good karma will definitely find you, my friend!

Quote:

Originally Posted by quarteroy

yeah im interested you are growing 2 of the same strains as me now

Lemon skunk from green house cant wait to see how mine compare under the Led. Think they are just about as far along too. what day did you seed yours? How long are you planing on veggin them? Oh and we are using same Veg fert. I use FF stuff for flower though. Glad to see you are watching my log as well.

(crap thanks weez just realized ive put every seed ive ever done in wrong.)
Peace

roy, it's good to see you - I just discovered your log not long ago, and you have me seriously interested in those Blue/Red/Orange UFO LEDs. I'll definitely stay tuned to your log to see how your UFOs work - seems like you have a Blue only spectrum for veg, as well as a double spectrum Red/Blue for general usage, but you recommended the trip spectrum?

As for the times on my LS - the 2d batch is at Day 12 Veg, and the 3rd Batch is at Day 3 Veg. My 2d batch has 1 LS, and the 3rd Batch has 2 more - I goofed on 1 LS in my 2d batch and assisted its cap off too early - wish I had seen Weezard's post earlier! I really need to break down and get some good ferts, man; I just hate to see all of the stuff I have go to waste. FF is at the top of the heap from everything I've read. I'm looking forward to following your log, my friend, and thanks for stopping in mine!

P.S. Almost forgot to answer the veg length question - they're outside, so they're on their own timers. I'm interested to see when they'll pop flowers, as I got 2 grows in last year due to an unexpected autoflower on my 1st grow - the Mighty Freeze.

Weezard · #25 (**permalink**) May-06-2009, 20:23

Aloha! Jake Alii

"I've attached a pic of the approximate condition of my beans upon planting in the peat pellets. I always place the longer taproot well down in the pellet, with the cap marginally under peat. I wonder if it still dances a lil' jig before poppin' its head above the peat to spread its cotyledons?"

Looks like the jig is danced by the time ya pot 'em.

"I'll be interested in Dive's experiments in this regard. "

With that sprout pic, I think you just saved DS the trouble.

They clearly hang a U-turn, it's in the genes.

"Thanks again for sharing your knowledge, Weezard! You are always lookin' to help folks out, and I'm always needin' help, so we make a pretty good team, eh? "

Pshaw! Anytime brah.

It's not like it makes me late to work.
Like to play, hate to "lurk"

Beats molesting battered 'taters, yah?

Da Weeze, jus' aims to please.
Got dem sticky fingahs.
Got dem dirty knees.

W.

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