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headshake · #1 (**permalink**) May-21-2009, 21:35

what's good everyone? i've been slacking in my duties of keeping my grow logs going. as some of you know, i have constructed a new "frank", although that's not the new ones name. a name actually hasn't been given yet.

anyhow, here is what's going down at the moment. there are six various dank seeds that have taken up residence in the new box. they are all ~21 (give or take, not including the pot). the reside in 3 gallon pots.

they stretched for some reason during veg. i guess i thought they were closer than the lights than they were. or maybe they were indica dom. hybrids. that's kinda what they look like.

about the new flower box, i took a box that is 47" x 24" x 21". i put an adjustable light fixture (homemade of course, out of cardboard!) in there. i added four 120mm pc fans up top and cut three exhausts down below.

the actual flower area below the light fixture stays between 78-80F degrees.
the area above it hovers between 88-91F. i was thinking of adding a few little intakes up near the top.

there is a total of 16 23W, 1600 lumens (~, they may vary sligthly) CFLs in there. i didn't count the ratio, but it should be close to 75/25 (2700K/6500K). i have some extra 2700K bulbs if the ratio is off.

i've been using the fox farm nute line up, both liquids and solubles. today when they got fed i gave them the first dose of beastie bloomz. this is the first time that i've used it and i'm curious to see what happens. i've been impressed with the fox farm nutes so far. i guess anything is a huge step up from miracle grow though.

there appears to be some light leaks as several of the ladies keep trying to grow balls. i know up top where the exhaust light gets in (although i do cover this up after lights out). the other area i think it's getting in is around the door. i used duct tape on the last "frank". i wanted to try something else. there is also the intakes down near the floor. i lean books up against those.

any ideas on light proofing?

i've got a several pics so some will be following this post.

i think that's about it for now.

-shake

pic 1- inside the new box.

pic 2- straight on.

pic 3- the new light fixture. it has 2x 4 light vanity bars and the two outdoor lights in the middle. some have Y splitters as you can see. i need to get some more.

pic 4- everyone inside.

pic 5-the exterior.

headshake · #2 (**permalink**) May-21-2009, 21:40

here are some more pics for you guys and gals. hope it was worth the wait. i'll try to do my best to keep it updated like it should be!

-shake

pic 1- everyone inside again.

pic 2- exhaust fans.

pic 3- one of the intakes.

pic 4- this one was taken today before watering/feeding.

pic 5- the re-veg from the last batch and four youngsters. the other beans that i had germ'd with them never popped. i'm running out of viable beans....yikes!

syde00 · #3 (**permalink**) May-21-2009, 21:56

wow that looks pretty sweet... from the inside you'd never guess it was made of cardboard lol... looks totally pro from the inside.

as for light proofing the box... what about making like big channels/ducts out of cardboard kinda shaped like a "U"? should block light but still let air/wiring go through the "U" shape

headshake · #4 (**permalink**) May-21-2009, 22:03

yeah that makes sense syde. i was thinking something like that. or with a bunch of holes that were offset on two layers. but your U idea sounds much better.

thanks for the compliment by the way!

-shake

Italiano715 · #5 (**permalink**) May-21-2009, 22:15

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pic 5- the re-veg from the last batch and four youngsters. the other beans that i had germ'd with them never popped. i'm running out of viable beans....yikes!

I've got some killer popcorn mid beans you could have

Nice fat juicy buds too! More bud than leaf ratio in flower!

Also, I'd definitely go wit something U shaped like plumbing pvc. I had a grow box out of a rubbermaid container few years back and that's what I used to keep the light from leaking out the ducting part.

P.S. They are looking good though!

Specially the re-vegged one! Kudos my man!(must spread rep around before giving it to headshake again

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quarteroy · #6 (**permalink**) May-21-2009, 22:43

the box is a f*$kin inspiration shake that is amazing what you have done with a box. Seriously looks pro from the inside. reminds me i need to keep up with my log btw I'm in the middle of building a new flower cab, its too hot where my current cab is atm. so that is all to come in my log. but first VEGAS. have a 4 day trip but plan to update my log at least once before then. that's end of this month.

peace

FourTwenty4Life · #7 (**permalink**) May-21-2009, 22:46

Looks good shake. You might need more room in the box for the ladies to breathe a bit easier but overall I'd say it looks great! Oh and try throwing a white and/or black sheet over top of everything for light proofing.

Balkey · #8 (**permalink**) May-21-2009, 23:08

Hey Head,

It's looking good! Plants are looking quite healthy as well!

I have always been under the assumption that the majority of light comes from the sides of cfls not the tip/end. If that's the case, those sockets could be more useful in a more diagonal arrangement.

I am liking the cardboard!!! Great job!

fluid69 · #9 (**permalink**) May-21-2009, 23:14

shake, you are the king of cardboard! or atleast that's my vote. I'm totally blown away. your light setup is the $hit, I gotta start dreaming up something like that. that's ten times better than searching for something the right height to set your plants on. I have an idea for your fans, make a scoop. brace yourself...build it out cardboard. I'm gonna post a pic of a box I built for somebody, I think you could use the same idea. it's not my favorite light trap, but I think it'd work good on your setup. just an idea. shake again, I'm blown away. you've kicked cardboards a$$.

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Divestoned · #10 (**permalink**) May-21-2009, 23:27

That box has STYLE,I think it's the nicest ghetto box i've seen yet.givem hell bro.

Dive

headshake · #11 (**permalink**) May-22-2009, 02:19

aww shucks guys. thanks for all the kind words. i'm pretty amazed by the amount of feedback and love! you guys rock.

i just try to do what i can do with what i have to do it with. i must admit, i'm ready to step it up though!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Italiano715

I've got some killer popcorn mid beans you could have Nice fat juicy buds too! More bud than leaf ratio in flower!

Also, I'd definitely go wit something U shaped like plumbing pvc. I had a grow box out of a rubbermaid container few years back and that's what I used to keep the light from leaking out the ducting part.

P.S. They are looking good though! Specially the re-vegged one! Kudos my man!(must spread rep around before giving it to headshake again )

sounds good man! i might have to use some cardboad like fluid recommended. i just think it's gonna work better for my purposes. although, that pvc could work for the intakes.

thanks for the kind words.

Quote:

Originally Posted by quarteroy

the box is a f*$kin inspiration shake that is amazing what you have done with a box. Seriously looks pro from the inside. reminds me i need to keep up with my log btw I'm in the middle of building a new flower cab, its too hot where my current cab is atm. so that is all to come in my log. but first VEGAS. have a 4 day trip but plan to update my log at least once before then. that's end of this month.

peace

thanks quarter!

it's really only some cardboard, hot glue, auto sunshades, some zip ties and rope plus the lighting.

i'm looking forward to the update! have fun in vegas and be safe!

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Originally Posted by FourTwenty4Life

Looks good shake. You might need more room in the box for the ladies to breathe a bit easier but overall I'd say it looks great! Oh and try throwing a white and/or black sheet over top of everything for light proofing.

yeah, i agree with you 420. these ladies grew so damn big so fast that i just wasn't ready for them. and i just can't bring myself to kill one off...although i know it would probably be for the best.

the sheet is a good idea! i might have to go with a hybrid between this and something like fluids idea.

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Originally Posted by Balkey

Hey Head,

It's looking good! Plants are looking quite healthy as well!

I have always been under the assumption that the majority of light comes from the sides of cfls not the tip/end. If that's the case, those sockets could be more useful in a more diagonal arrangement.

I am liking the cardboard!!! Great job!

thanks for the compliments balkey! you are probably right, but the sockets are hardwired into the fixtures. i plan on adding more Y splitters. that should help with that.

you should see my living room furniture. j/k.

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Originally Posted by fluid69

shake, you are the king of cardboard! or atleast that's my vote. I'm totally blown away. your light setup is the $hit, I gotta start dreaming up something like that. that's ten times better than searching for something the right height to set your plants on. I have an idea for your fans, make a scoop. brace yourself...build it out cardboard. I'm gonna post a pic of a box I built for somebody, I think you could use the same idea. it's not my favorite light trap, but I think it'd work good on your setup. just an idea. shake again, I'm blown away. you've kicked cardboards a$$.

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that's much appreciated fluid. that's pretty much along the lines i was thinking. or a tower-esque thing with offset holes or a horse shoe. i gotta do something.

i think instead of using cardboard, next time i'm gonna use lego bricks! should be interesting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Divestoned

That box has STYLE,I think it's the nicest ghetto box i've seen yet.givem hell bro.

Dive

thanks dive! it means a lot to me to get a compliment for a jedi master. but is that like being the least retarded kid in the special olympics? lol. j/k.

it's funny what an experiment can lead to. and the book reads ".........headshake started with nothing but a mere cardboard box and fistful of CFLs and graduated to......." well that's it. i haven't graduated to anything yet. i'm still stuck in the cardboard and with the CFLs.

thanks again everyone!

-shake

camoxnhx · #12 (**permalink**) May-22-2009, 08:04

Shit look at all the Cardboard lovers coming out of them bushes. Yo head straight up you are a fucking genius when it comes to the box (lol). But the way im with FLUID these cardboard boxes you completely dominated. After my Aurora Indica i think im going to make a bigger box for flowering. Also if you dont mind me asking were did you get the 2x4 Vanity Light Bars and how much did they run about? thanks YOU THE MAN!

Shovelhandle · #13 (**permalink**) May-22-2009, 08:52

Cardboard is widely used to mock up structural designs or to make templates of other materials that are either too expensive or difficult to work with. Great stuff!
I have a brother who watches my grow and decided to do it himself. I use 2' x 4' pieces af cardboard with mylar glued to them used as reflectors. I hang them or just prop them around the plants. My bro decided to build a wooden veg box and glued his mylar in it. Well, it looked really nice and it worked, but when he decided to make changes to his design the wooden box and glued mylar were worthless to him now. "I should have used cardboard." I can start a grow in a smaller area using these reflectors and expand the area in a minute. It also alows me better access to the plants. Bro now has an area in a room with an 8' x 6' area 'tented' with panda film. He now uses mylar on cardboard to reflect light close to the plants. Instead of stray light traveling from lamp > panda > plant (6'+ total distance) it travels a total of 2' -3'. At least four times the amount of light hitting the plant.

And for a total enclosure, as you've built, cardboard works wonderfully. I also think that in the event of the unthinkable, my grow (of 6-10 seedlings/plants) is discovered by authorities, it doesn't look very 'commercial'. Definetly looks ghetto and it can be taked down and put away in short order. I have yeilded up to one pound of dry bud from a one square meter area (aprox. 4' x 3').

Endless other possibilities using CB for inside growing.

bigtopsfinn · #14 (**permalink**) May-22-2009, 09:48

That is the Cadillac of cardboard grow boxes

jakezking · #15 (**permalink**) May-22-2009, 17:02

I know you don't need anymore slaps on the back, shake, as your back must be hurting already, but that's a dang fine contraption you got there. I concur with all previous statements that the inside rivals those dang $1500 commercial boxes. I know you'll figure out the light leak issue, as the light traps discussed above sound perfect.

Most of all, your fine green lady friends look amazing, and that's what it's all about. Good growing, my friend!

headshake · #16 (**permalink**) May-22-2009, 17:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by camoxnhx

Shit look at all the Cardboard lovers coming out of them bushes. Yo head straight up you are a fucking genius when it comes to the box (lol). But the way im with FLUID these cardboard boxes you completely dominated. After my Aurora Indica i think im going to make a bigger box for flowering. Also if you dont mind me asking were did you get the 2x4 Vanity Light Bars and how much did they run about? thanks YOU THE MAN!

thanks camo! i knew there had to be some around here somewhere. lol.

as far as the light bars, i got them at home depot for $8 a piece.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shovelhandle

Cardboard is widely used to mock up structural designs or to make templates of other materials that are either too expensive or difficult to work with. Great stuff!
I have a brother who watches my grow and decided to do it himself. I use 2' x 4' pieces af cardboard with mylar glued to them used as reflectors. I hang them or just prop them around the plants. My bro decided to build a wooden veg box and glued his mylar in it. Well, it looked really nice and it worked, but when he decided to make changes to his design the wooden box and glued mylar were worthless to him now. "I should have used cardboard." I can start a grow in a smaller area using these reflectors and expand the area in a minute. It also alows me better access to the plants. Bro now has an area in a room with an 8' x 6' area 'tented' with panda film. He now uses mylar on cardboard to reflect light close to the plants. Instead of stray light traveling from lamp > panda > plant (6'+ total distance) it travels a total of 2' -3'. At least four times the amount of light hitting the plant.

And for a total enclosure, as you've built, cardboard works wonderfully. I also think that in the event of the unthinkable, my grow (of 6-10 seedlings/plants) is discovered by authorities, it doesn't look very 'commercial'. Definetly looks ghetto and it can be taked down and put away in short order. I have yeilded up to one pound of dry bud from a one square meter area (aprox. 4' x 3').

Endless other possibilities using CB for inside growing.

that's true shove! i never thought about the mock up and design stuff. makes perfect sense though.

and i totally agree with you about the non-commercial look. and the ease to break it down/get rid of it. always a plus!

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Originally Posted by bigtopsfinn

That is the Cadillac of cardboard grow boxes

thanks finn! i don't normally take compliments that well, but i really like getting them from you experienced growers. that goes for everyone of you!

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakezking

I know you don't need anymore slaps on the back, shake, as your back must be hurting already, but that's a dang fine contraption you got there. I concur with all previous statements that the inside rivals those dang $1500 commercial boxes. I know you'll figure out the light leak issue, as the light traps discussed above sound perfect.

Most of all, your fine green lady friends look amazing, and that's what it's all about. Good growing, my friend!

thanks jake! i appreciate the kind words. i really do. i've come a long way in a short time.....and managed to drive my wife crazy in the process!

the ladies just won't stop growing. it seems like every morning they are in the lights! good but bad. i don't have a whole lot of room in there.

thanks again everyone! you guys make it fun to share. not to mention i learn something from all of you. you guys rock!

-shake

syde00 · #17 (**permalink**) May-22-2009, 17:54

I;m really impressed with how well that reflector you have right above the lights works.. you can really see the contrast in brightness between the upper and lower halves of the box in those pics...

i've been meaning to do something similiar in my box for awhile but i just haven;t gotten to it.. maybe this weekend!

what is it your using to line the inside of your walls btw? looks like emergency blankets maybe?

headshake · #18 (**permalink**) May-22-2009, 18:07

thanks syde! that reflector has no paint on it. the one that had been painted got soaked in an unexpected rain storm.

it's pretty cool how well the reflector keeps heat off of the ladies. the top will get to about 90F, but the bottme hardy ever breaks 80F. it usually hovers right at 78F. it stays cooler than the ambient room temps!

they are auto sunshades. i got them for $.99 each at the $.99 store. they were cheaper than the blankets and much more easy to work with. i just modified as needed and hot glued them in.

-shake

BeFree · #19 (**permalink**) May-23-2009, 00:52

Hot damn Shake. That light you rigged up is sweeeet. And those are some mighty fine ladies. Fox Farm must be treating ya well. Very healthy gals even in an environment built from a bunch of small parts.

How's Miss Gnarly Round 2 doing?

begood shake,
be

headshake · #20 (**permalink**) May-23-2009, 02:00

thanks be! it's kina a beast, that light. i am gonna add some more Y splitters if they will fit. and i was considering going with some uvb, but have been getting mixed reviews.

the fox farm has been nice to me so far.

that's miss gnarly in the re-veg/youngster picture up top there! gonna take some clones and flower them and let her keep going i think.

thanks for stopping by.

-shake

MerryPrankstr · #21 (**permalink**) May-23-2009, 08:05

LOL,

Great design and excellent execution, Headshake.
What can I say, 'cept...
"I thought I was the cardbox king,
but I just handed my ductape crown to him." (with apologies to The Who)

Good luck dude.
I be watching...

MP

headshake · #22 (**permalink**) May-23-2009, 14:10

thanks mp! you don't have to hand over the crown. i wasn't aware anyone else wanted it. i don't have a problem with being the prince!

thanks for the kind words. maybe next i'll start messing with LEDs.

-shake

killa12345 · #23 (**permalink**) May-23-2009, 17:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by MerryPrankstr

LOL,

Great design and excellent execution, Headshake.
What can I say, 'cept...
"I thought I was the cardbox king,
but I just handed my ductape crown to him." (with apologies to The Who)

Good luck dude.
I be watching...

MP

Thats what i thought....i figured i was the king of cardboard until i saw this......man headshake you took it to a whole other level.....i definetly say your the king brotha.....people laugh when i tell them i crop 7 oz in a 18inx24inx24in cardboard box....but a lb.....damn i need to step my cardboard game up....see ya soon!

headshake · #24 (**permalink**) May-23-2009, 18:21

thanks killa! it's funny how this little experiment turned my life upside down! everytime i see something, i automatically think, how can i use that? lol.

damn, you can pull 7 oz. out of that size a box. that's awesome! can i get some specifics of what you lighting/grow medium/nutes were/are?

thanks for stopping by killa.

-shake

killa12345 · #25 (**permalink**) May-23-2009, 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by headshake

thanks killa! it's funny how this little experiment turned my life upside down! everytime i see something, i automatically think, how can i use that? lol.

damn, you can pull 7 oz. out of that size a box. that's awesome! can i get some specifics of what you lighting/grow medium/nutes were/are?

thanks for stopping by killa.

-shake

i run 9 plants.....lots of LSTing....6 cfl's ( mixture 2/1 with 2700/6500k all 27w) hempy buckets in cut down 32 oz gatorade bottles with 4 pts perlite/1 pt vermiculite using all FF nutes Grow big hydro, tiger bloom, big bloom, open seseme, bestie bloomz, cha ching....usually run them just around 900-1000 ppms hanna meter, 5.8-5.9 ph

hope that helps! usually its around 5 oz but with the CH9 green bud i pulled 7 oz. see ya soon shake....stay safe

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