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Well I've been wanting to grow some sativa dominant variety for quite soe time now. Barney's farm Laughing Buddha is a Thai/Jamaican cross that is sativa dominant and and sounds like a nice mix.

I'm getting my materials together and will start germination on July 21st (marked as favorable in the Farmers Almanac).

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Well...

I didn't pop the seeds because my 6900K CFL lamps didn't arrive yet. The LED rig I'm using tends to give plants too much leg, so I'm waiting. (Thanks Old Mac)!!

I did build and test a 18 site bubbler clone rig with 100% success rate.
Pretty standard setup, I think. 3 Gal bucket with 2 6" airstones and a 185 gph pump/ six nozzle 360 deg emmiter mainfold.
Thanks Wee-zard !!

I cut 18 curly leaf basil starts, dipped them in the root powder from germany my mother-in-law gave me, and dropped them into place. 2 days later I had roots with good growth! This time I used neopreme precut inserts but for the real deal I've ordered some net baskets and SuretoGrow pre-cut plugs.

The next window of opportunity according to the almanac is Aug 30. Now, I don't truly believe that there will any difference by waiting. It's just a nod to my grandpa who encouraged my natural ability to grow things back on the farm. He used to tell me "You a natural, boy", but I really learned by watching him and listening to what he told me.

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I want to see this from start to finish. Barney's Farm has some really great stuff.
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Great to have you here, looking over my shoulder, Weez.

I keep flipping and flopping between Dirt and DWC.
Maybe keep the Mothers in dirt and clone to run in DWC, but still intimidated by water chemistry that comes with Hydro/Aero.

Just knowing you're around is a great comfort.

Damn if I'm not an old fashioned "for real" dirt farmer, but I keep hearing the call of the "dark side" like Homer's Sirens.

What you say...

If I wanted to run DWC what type of metering would you suggest?

BTW just for the record.

I can't find anything around to touch my humble bagseed grow. You are right about being spoiled.

With proper genetics things could get "scary" real quick....

But I can actually play my guitar again without pain.
What a gift from God.

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Great to have you here, looking over my shoulder, Weez.

I keep flipping and flopping between Dirt and DWC.
Maybe keep the Mothers in dirt and clone to run in DWC, but still intimidated by water chemistry that comes with Hydro/Aero.

Have you considered coco?
Half dirt, half hydro.
The "comfort" of soil, the total control of hydro.
I'm impressed with it and now grow all my veggies in it.
'cept for a DWC W.W. in the sun, that is.

Just knowing you're around is a great comfort.

Damn if I'm not an old fashioned "for real" dirt farmer, but I keep hearing the call of the "dark side" like Homer's Sirens.

Answer dat call! It's for you.
No succubi need apply, da "dark side' has been sanitized for your health and safety.

What you say...

If I wanted to run DWC what type of metering would you suggest?

Well, since you ask, I like the digital PH meters made for aquariums. you can leave the probe in the res. and check at a glance.
Easier to spot trends that way.

BTW just for the record.

I can't find anything around to touch my humble bagseed grow. You are right about being spoiled.

With proper genetics things could get "scary" real quick....

Sure did brah

MK Ultra is hard to tame for indoors, but I highly recommend it for lollipopping and outdoors.

But I can actually play my guitar again without pain.
What a gift from God.

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Amen brother! I'd be housebound without it.

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ACTIN WHITE CFL ARRIVED!

Well the actin white CFL's came in. But I accidently ordered 200 watt lamps. Damn, I don't know how one could call these Compact Flourecent when the lamps are this big. We're talking 15"x 4 1/2" here.
It's very bright and very very white, almost bluish, so I should be able to keep those seedlings and clones short and happy.

I guess I'll use just one backed off a ways...

Does anyone have an idea how far away I need them to be?

BTW Weez, I ordered a Hanna aquarium PH meter, so I'm preparing for my first attempt at DWC when the clones are ready to flower.

Everything is in place waiting for day 1 to arrive.

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10 - 40k lux should do.

Does anyone have an idea how far away I need them to be?

Your light meter will tell you when to stop, yah?

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Hey Weez,
My light meter helps me quantify, but I never measured a light source for seeding/clone so I don't know what my target value is. I was thinking 1,000 to 3,000 lux? I don't think they want it too bright for new seedling clones, but I've been wrong before.

I tried searching for measured lighting levels on the net but I don't think I used the best terms for searching.

At about 3-4 " I can get about 23,000 lux but it does start to get warm.

Do I need to worry about TDS meter for DWC to measure nutrient strength, BTW>

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Hey Weez,
My light meter helps me quantify, but I never measured a light source for seeding/clone so I don't know what my target value is. I was thinking 1,000 to 3,000 lux? I don't think they want it too bright for new seedling clones, but I've been wrong before.

I tried searching for measured lighting levels on the net but I don't think I used the best terms for searching.

At about 3-4 " I can get about 23,000 lux but it does start to get warm.

20k for seedlings 10k for clones, should do.
Seedlings stretch on low light and clones "try too hard" with strong light.

Do I need to worry about TDS meter for DWC to measure nutrient strength, BTW>

M.P.
Not essential unless you are running tests and recording data.
With decent hydro nutes, and a teaspoon, the PH balance will be close, and the gals will tell you when to back off on the nutes.

The TDS meter is very handy for soil, or coco run-off tests.
And the PH meter can be critical to DWC.
You need to fix PH extremes before you see symptoms.
Flushing coco is fast n easy.
Changing water is also.
So, not essential, but useful.

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Thumbs up Thanks Weeze

I should be able to dial the light in now.
My plan is is to crack a few seeds and choose a mother or two and clone enough to run plus a few backup. I think I run most of clones in DWC but a couple in soil.

Gonna grow more than the Laughing Buddah, but I'm not sure what else just yet. I still have a couple of weeks to read up on DWC techniques, so that should keep me busy.

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Talking Pimpin' bubbabuckets!

Anytime, Brah.

Joe da farmer makes it look easy, because, well, it is easy.

Just added an album to my IC, called 'ventions.

Since the only thing easier than coco, is DWC, I went and got chocolate all ovah my peanut butter.

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Since the only thing easier than coco, is DWC, I went and got chocolate all ovah my peanut butter.

Open 24/7, drop on by.
OK will do. Long tome IC lurker. Joined last CC.com outage but have not yet posted.

BTW my ph meter arrived and my tap water is 7.5
I think my target value should be like 6.0 so I know now that I'll have to adjust the ph down a bit at a time.

Popped some test bagseed seeds with a method I read about on IC and got 100% tap root action within 24 hours so I think I'm ready on that new technique. Being a farmer I always just put them in my dirt about 1" down and watered.

Lots of changing for this old dog, but most of it is for the better.
Just waiting for the moon, now...


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OK will do. Long tome IC lurker. Joined last CC.com outage but have not yet posted.

BTW my ph meter arrived and my tap water is 7.5
I think my target value should be like 6.0 so I know now that I'll have to adjust the ph down a bit at a time.

Popped some test bagseed seeds with a method I read about on IC and got 100% tap root action within 24 hours so I think I'm ready on that new technique. Being a farmer I always just put them in my dirt about 1" down and watered.

Lots of changing for this old dog, but most of it is for the better.
Just waiting for the moon, now...


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Hey MP,

Would it be possible to coerce you into spewing that seed popping strategy from IC?

Just wondrin'

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OK will do. Long tome IC lurker. Joined last CC.com outage but have not yet posted.

BTW my ph meter arrived and my tap water is 7.5

Perhaps, depending on how pure your tap water is.
If it's as good as ours, that PH reading is meaningless.
Or at least, inaccurate.
Always read PH after adding nutes.
That will assure that there's a high enough ppm concentration to give an accurate PH read.

I think my target value should be like 6.0 so I know now that I'll have to adjust the ph down a bit at a time.

Or lower.
Treat coco like hydro.
It likes PH from 5.2- 5.8 But 6.0 will work as long as you dip to the low 5s now and then.
You will find that 1 teaspoon per gallon of hydro nutes like Dyna-grow/dyna-bloom will drop the PH of your water for you to very close to what you want.
And a little Phosphoric acid will fine tune it.

If your PH drifts over time, (and it will), amend to the edge in the other direction.
That will use the drift to "sweep" a PH range, as some elements are unavailable at the high or low limits to an ideal range .
Hope that makes sense, I'm getting too ripped to edit.

Popped some test bagseed seeds with a method I read about on IC and got 100% tap root action within 24 hours so I think I'm ready on that new technique. Being a farmer I always just put them in my dirt about 1" down and watered.

With coco. just use plain tap water to expand some of it, put it in a tall plastic cup and poke the seed in 1/2" deep, pointed end up.
They will pop up clean with none of that stuck husk action.
It's an excellent germination media.

Lots of changing for this old dog, but most of it is for the better.
Just waiting for the moon, now...


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Goodonya, brah!

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Sure...

I've tried wrapping he seeds in various types of wet absorbant paper without great success, and have enjoyed about an 80% germination rate directly planting them in soil. Here's the new (to me) method.

I got 100% seed germination from bagseed, and have not yet tried it on my Dutch beans so YMMV here.

I took a thick walled ceramic coffee mug and filled it 2/3 with luke warm water that had been sitting for 24 hours to de-gas. Next you gently cast the seeds on the water. They will foat on the top. That's what we want.

Next I covered it with an inverted small shallow bowl placed it in my grow tent which averages a night temperature of 73 deg and daytime temp of 78-79 deg. and covered it with a small towel to assure darkness inside the two vessels.

24 hours later I removed the towel and bowl and the seeds were on the bottom of the cup cracked open and showing about 1/2" of tap root. After draining the water and placing the craked beans on a soaked paper towel I quicky planted them 1/2" down from the surface of pre-prepared starting pots and placed them back in the dark.

Day two (36 hours) later the first seed popped it's head out of the soil. Still waiting on the rest, but I have good hope for the remainder as I didn't expect the first on for another day yet!

Well, there it is.
Seems to work for me.

Weez, got you on the concept of the ph control and drift.
In another life long ( like 30 years ) ago I worked as an engineer and balanced the water chemistry for boilers and cooling towers.

BTW I was truly thiking of jumping all the way from soil to DWC buckets minus the coco. Ya think that's too big of a jump for this ole dirt farmer??? (LOL)

By the way, I gifted the Dinafem Road Runner bean to a fellow Bonsai friend along with 2 of my Cocao Tree seedling (RM48 and Trinidad cultivars). One of my other crazy hobbies is to make fine milk chocolate straight from the bean. Now that stuff should be illegal it's so high test.

My African Baobab (Tree of Life) is showing is starting to show it's second year's growth (joy!). You can't believe what I went through to germinate THAT seed (LOL).

Enough, enough....

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I've tried wrapping he seeds in various types of wet absorbant paper without great success, and have enjoyed about an 80% germination rate directly planting them in soil. Here's the new (to me) method.

I got 100% seed germination from bagseed, and have not yet tried it on my Dutch beans so YMMV here.

I took a thick walled ceramic coffee mug and filled it 2/3 with luke warm water that had been sitting for 24 hours to de-gas. Next you gently cast the seeds on the water. They will foat on the top. That's what we want.

Next I covered it with an inverted small shallow bowl placed it in my grow tent which averages a night temperature of 73 deg and daytime temp of 78-79 deg. and covered it with a small towel to assure darkness inside the two vessels.

24 hours later I removed the towel and bowl and the seeds were on the bottom of the cup cracked open and showing about 1/2" of tap root. After draining the water and placing the craked beans on a soaked paper towel I quicky planted them 1/2" down from the surface of pre-prepared starting pots and placed them back in the dark.
Thank you so much for that!

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You're welcome SaucerMcGee,

Now I'm not claiming that this is the best way to do it, just that it works best (so far) for me. I'm gonna hav to look into the coco germination method, especially if I'm gonna grow hydo in the future.

I adjusted the nutrient reservoir in the basil DWC from 7.25 to 5.60 over the course of last evening using 5% acidic white distilled vinegar. That's just about in the middle to lower target value for hydro basil grows (per a google search). Now I'll sit back and see how they like it. The roots are about 1" into the reservoir now so they should be taking off soon. They certainly are a LOT greener this morning.

If I can pull this off I will try a production run of LED / DWC good Amsterdam genetics.

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MP,

You are doing a DWC basil grow? As in the actual herb basil? I'm doing a soil basil grow this season. I just thought that was cool. One of my basil plants smells like sliced pepperoni, the kind you put on pizzas, no joke.

Let me know how it goes,

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SMG,
Yes, the actual herb basic. I'm doing preliminary technique attempts with the basil because:

1) I need to grow some anyway
2) I don't to waste any good seeds if my first try doen't work out.
3) No needd to worry about sexing or hermies

FourKicks,

I'm not that knowledgable. I'm just standing on some tall shoulders.
Thanks anyway.

Stick around and you'll far surpass me in no time!

All seeds stuck their heads up proudly over the top of the soil, 100% sucess!

Tomorrow I crack the Amsterdam beans, woohoo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Smile Here we go...

So Mrs P and I sat down and determined what would grow so here's the lineup:
All Feminized-
Barney's Farm Laughing Buddha 1 seed
Barney's Farm G13 x Haze 2 seeds
Reserva Privada Kandy Kush 2 seeds
Dinafem Blueberry x Hash 1 seed

Let's see what actually pops.

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Thumbs up Success !

All seeds have popped their heads using Weezard's coco germination method.

DWC technique experiments have been good as well. I'll probably do 1/2 coco and 1/2 DWC. and see which I like better, but the DWC is already growing on me.

After experimenting with spray and bubbling I killed my water pump shortly after putting some coco filled net pots in place of the neopreme inserts. My plants seem just as happy with just the bubbles (if not more). Once again I feel like I've re-invented the wheel, Weez !

I'll probably post pictures once a week on the weekends.



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