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    Hawaiian Snow Grow Log #001

    Hi all,

    I've been here for a little while now and have already started my first grow so I thought of starting a log to be all able to check my progress and exchange ideas/criticism/troubleshooting (mostly ) etc. So let's start with a few info on the strain:

    Hawaiian Snow was created by Green House Seed Co and was the winner of HTCC 2003. It's a Sativa dominant strain with genetics from Hawaii and Laos.
    THC: 23.7% CBD: 1.1% CBN: 0.8%
    Haven't ever tried it myself to give you an idea of the high but hopefully that is about to change in the near future!!! According to reviews, it's supposed to be "very well known between heavy smokers that look for strong buds. A sativa-high that creeps on you, followed by a blasting stoned feeling."


    Now let's see what I'll be using:

    • 430W Sonlight HPS Agro producing 58k lumens
    • Parabolic reflector
    • Circulation oscillating fan
    • Exhaust fan
    • Biobizz light mix soil
    • 14l square pots
    • Cellmax Bio-Organic nutrient series


    I have a grow room built outdoors (sorry won't post pics of it you never know who's reading! ) that is roughly 5sqm (60sqf) but the area utilized for growing is around 2sqm (20sqf) and 3m (10ft) high. It basically utilizes one edge of the room with 3 walls surrounding the plants covered in Mylar.
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    Soaked 10 seeds overnight in a glass of distilled water on the 13th of January. Next morning 9 had sunk and a couple had slightly cracked open already so I moved all 10 of em in a paper towel.



    Put the paper towel in between two dishes and covered it with cling film or however it's called but left a small opening in it so they can breathe. Left the two plates directly under the heater and the temp was kept at 25-28C (77-82F).



    After a day the 9 that had sunk in the glass of water had sprouted, the 10th one still refused to crack open.

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    Moved the 9 open seeds into 1" rockwool cubes in a propagator, wrapped in a blanket to keep em warm since I had no heating mat and put them in the closet.



    36hrs later small tips were barely out of the rockwool.



    Next morning they had fully sprouted and were moved under a fluo tube on a 18/6 schedule.



    The 10th one still refusing to germinate. I fed it with an aspirin solution and it opened overnight but it never went beyond the initial 1mm root tip so I discarded it. 90% germ rate, not bad for first time I guess with questionable seeds. (Seedbank we got em from is dodgy check here.)
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    This is Antigone btw on her first day!!! My lucky number 8. Yeah not only I labelled em all, I also gave em names!



    This is Hera 4 days old. Troubled me a little with those blister like things on her cotyledons but not only she's fine now, she's the 2nd faster grower!



    Biobizz light mix soil EC1.2 pH 6.1-6.3. Pots were labelled as 12l (26x26x28cm / 10x10x12") ones but measuring the inside of em and making the cubic cm calculation they turn to be closer to 13.5-14l if filled up to the rim.



    All filled up and watered thoroughly 2 days before planting.

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    8 days old and the roots are out of the rockwool at least 1-2" on all of them so time to move em to soil. Or at least that's what I was told lol!!!





    All nine of them planted, temp at the top of the seedlings under the HPS is around 22-25C (72-77F), humidity at 65-70%. Oscillating fans are on, crappy exhaust fan is on too (150cubic m/hr ~90CFM), intake is pasive by small halls in the door and the timer set at 18/6. Age from seed 8days old.



    The ceiling is 3m (10ft) tall and the adjustable light cords weren't long enough to reach close to the pots so I moved em on a table till they get bigger. The lamp is a 430W HPS Agro producing 58k lumen. I know it's not optimal but budget was low. Next grow I'm hoping to utilize a 1000W one!

    I know I shouldn't have transplanted them directly to the big pots. But I know that now didn't when I did it I was a victim of the transplant progressively/don't cause you will sock em debate...
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    This is Antigone the day it was moved to the soil.





    And here she is 9 days after she was moved to the pot. Overall age from seed, 17days. The only thing that troubles me is that it doesn't look much as a sativa strain that Hawaiian Snow is supposed to be. Either that or it's just too early to tell.

    Anyway, they are still my babies and I still love em. After all this is an experimenting first grow to learn. Not having high expectations for the end result tbh!

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    Yesterday they got their first diluted solution of nutrients, 4ml/l of rootbooster and 1ml/l only of the bio-grow mix and will see how it goes. 20days old from seed, 11 days in soil.



    Slightly over-watered maybe or it's just me again been paranoid?



    Will let em dry out a little and see how it goes. I guess it's the whole transplant in big pots fuckup I did... oh well...

    I'm thinking of alternating the feeding, one watering yes one no and so on. What do you guys think?

    That's all for now will keep you updated as vegetation progresses!
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    I enjoy a well written growlog started right from the seeds. Your kids look to be coming along well, big pots and all.
    All the best with them and I like to tag along and watch.
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    Nice tight setup here. Props for attention to detail. n00bs should pay attention - clean setup, good documentation, and keeping it simple. It makes dialing in your grow and trouble shooting SO much easier.

    Question. How are you liking that parabolic reflector? I've been ogling those for a while. Did you get the optional diffuser? Thoughts appreciated.

    Again, nice work here. I'm signed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattlingdags View Post
    I enjoy a well written growlog started right from the seeds. Your kids look to be coming along well, big pots and all.
    All the best with them and I like to tag along and watch.
    Thx rattling, I did try to make a nice log here and I'm glad it shows! Welcome aboard too!

    Quote Originally Posted by bigsby View Post
    Nice tight setup here. Props for attention to detail. n00bs should pay attention - clean setup, good documentation, and keeping it simple. It makes dialing in your grow and trouble shooting SO much easier.

    Question. How are you liking that parabolic reflector? I've been ogling those for a while. Did you get the optional diffuser? Thoughts appreciated.

    Again, nice work here. I'm signed up.
    Thank you bigsby I'm trying my best really. As for the parabolic I have no previous experience with other hoods etc so I'll just let you know what I think of it with my limited field experience. In my eyes it spreads the light wide and evenly. The wings are adjustable to 3 settings so you can focus more or less depending how you see fit. Temps are kept low with the 400W even without the diffuser. (it was included but took it off cause it gave me the impression that it was creating shades when too close to the tops)



    With an oscillating fan blowing in the space between the lamp and the plant tops temps are kept low (23-25C / 73-77F) at even 20-30cm (8-12") so as I said it gave me the impression that in close distances it was creating shades. But I'm the noob here correct me if I'm wrong.

    Peace,
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    I'm familiar with this particular reflector which is why I asked. Not from personal experience but from researching different options. As I understand it, the three different setting are intended to mimic different seasons - spring, summer, and fall. I can dig out the literature if you need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsby View Post
    I'm familiar with this particular reflector which is why I asked. Not from personal experience but from researching different options. As I understand it, the three different setting are intended to mimic different seasons - spring, summer, and fall. I can dig out the literature if you need it.
    That would be awesome and a good read. I'd like to know for sure instead of assuming in blind, so yeah if you could dig that up for me I'd grateful! Applying mimicking seasons would be interested to say the least if not beneficial!
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    I had some questions regarding my nutrients and I made a thread in the Organic Growing section (not sure if that was correct but anyway...), but it doesn't seem like anyone knows something. (at least not from the guys checking that section of the forum anyway lol) So I thought I might as well included it here in my log and have everything less spread around for easier access!


    Quote Originally Posted by malus69 View Post
    I have the full range of the Cellmax Bio-Organic nutrients and although I've been searching around the internet to get some reviews from ppl that have used em specifically for marijuana growing, the results were minimal to none.

    Cellmax

    So I was wondering if any of you guys have used em to give me some feedback regarding results/yields and also if I should stick to their schedule or adjust it in any way regarding feeding potency and frequency. Are they any good cause if they are then why they are not popular? What nuts would you suggest for my next growth (that are available in EU pls)? Or should I start making teas and the alike and screw pre-made ones? This is my first grow so I didn't want to go in too deep this time with making my own



    I have everything as shown in the schedule (bloom,grow,pk boost, super enzyme, root booster) asides the flower stimulator (flower power) and I was thinking of getting it too to add it when the time comes(still in vegetation atm).

    1. I understand that it's carbohydrates and amino-acids or something, so similar to molasses?
    2. Should I stick to the schedule and give it the last 2 weeks of flowering even when flushing?
    3. Should I not give it while flushing?
    4. Should I give it for the full duration of flowering, or just fuck it completely and use molasses instead?
    5. Should I give both this and molasses and for how long/till when?
    6. Fuck both and nothing?


    The thing is that shit was expensive, around 30 for 150ml and I don't mind spending it if it will do good but if not...

    And now that I mentioned molasses, should I add them to the feeding schedule together with all the rest of the nutrients at 1tbsp/gal or if I do add them I will have to take something out?
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    Pumped!! I have been doing alot of research on this strain because I want to get it. You for sure got be posted up on this thread. Sweet setup btw gonna pull some monsters out of that tent. Have u seen the Hawaiian Snow grow vid from greenhouse seeds? I know its on youtube

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    I've not seen your brand of nutes anywhere here in Holland. If you decide next time to change nutes then the lines from Canna and Plagron are popular and easy to order online.
    Enjoying your log. I seem to have turned into a growlog-a-holic lately lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by camoxnhx View Post
    Pumped!! I have been doing alot of research on this strain because I want to get it. You for sure got be posted up on this thread. Sweet setup btw gonna pull some monsters out of that tent. Have u seen the Hawaiian Snow grow vid from greenhouse seeds? I know its on youtube
    Yeah I've seen the video, the one they grew it in a 85l container. Well I'm not expecting to get results even remotely close to these Stay tuned and we'll see how it turns out at the end with a smoke report and all!


    Quote Originally Posted by bigsby View Post
    That's what I'm talkin about!!! Thanks bigs, already on "Spring" mode!!! Still not sure if I should use that spreader or not though... :s

    In my original thread before I made this log, Rusty mentioned I should check my tap water. I did so here are the results.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome View Post
    Check online for your local water company's water quality report. It should tell you the average tapwater ph, what's in it and at what levels, what they treat it with...stuff like that..
    ok I did some research and I came up with those values regarding tap water in my area:

    • pH: 7.4
    • GΗ: 8
    • ΚΗ: 6
    • ΝΟ3: 0
    • Water Alkalinity: 150 - 200 mg/lt CaCO3
    • Water Hardness: 120 - 130 mg/lt CaCO3
    • Calcium: 45 - 55 mg/lt
    • Magnesium: 4 - 7 mg/lt
    • Nitrogen: 3 - 5 mg/lt
    • Sulphates: 30 - 35 mg/lt
    • Chlorates: 3 - 15 mg/lt (higher values appear less frequently)
    • Free Chlorium: 0,3 - 0,5 mg/lt
    • Chromium: 1.6 μgr/lt



    I hope I got the chemical terms translation right, being Greek and all Does it call for adjustments? Lower it maybe to 6.5 or so? And if yes how? Would some lemon juice work?


    PS. Will be back later today with some updates and new pics of the ladies so stay tunned!!!
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    All is going well but they are growing a little slow... I'm guessing it's cause of the humidity, it's always around 65-70%. Haven't watered em for 4 days now and the soil is still a little moist on top. Been raining like crazy lately so...
    Anyway, from March on that they'll be in flowering I'm hoping it'll be better. If not I'm off for a new exhaust fan... So here are some pics of 2 days ago. Couldn't post them earlier the forums seem to have been down or something... They are 14 days old in that pic (since moved to the pot). They've been growing an average of 1.5-2cm/day at this point. Stay tuned!


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    And here's a mass pic too of all 9! Have moved the shorter ones in the middle and I'm also turning all of them 90 daily to spread light evenly!


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    You are not seeing a ton of growth because of the recent repot. The plants are focusing their growth underground. Likely you would have been better off with a smaller pot at this stage. The plant will stretch it's roots throughout the big pot before it fully focuses on canopy growth. With a smaller pot the roots have less room to stretch and so you get more canopy development at an earlier stage. In other words, you maximize the plants growth more quickly. Your girls will still do fine but it will take longer. See the link in my signature for some thoughts on repotting.

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    doing great! Use a Ph down solution in your water to bring it down to 6.2-6.8. If it's cool assure that the soil temp is 68-72. The roots and the whole plant will respond positively.

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    Shov is giving you some of the best advice on offer. Get the pH right from the start to avoid all kinds of problems down the line. Ideal soil temps are also a sure fire way to maximize growth. You can do this by raising the room temps or adding a heating element under the pots. You're looking good. You've done your homework now dial it in. At this stage there is the temptation to over water and over fertilize. You seem to have that under control. Once you have the pH issues dialed in you will reap the rewards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shovelhandle View Post
    doing great! Use a Ph down solution in your water to bring it down to 6.2-6.8. If it's cool assure that the soil temp is 68-72. The roots and the whole plant will respond positively.
    Will do that mate thanks for the advice. As for soil temp it's usually around 20C(70F)

    Quote Originally Posted by bigsby View Post
    Shov is giving you some of the best advice on offer. Get the pH right from the start to avoid all kinds of problems down the line. Ideal soil temps are also a sure fire way to maximize growth. You can do this by raising the room temps or adding a heating element under the pots. You're looking good. You've done your homework now dial it in. At this stage there is the temptation to over water and over fertilize. You seem to have that under control. Once you have the pH issues dialed in you will reap the rewards.
    Will have to adjust the water pH yeah. I thought that 7.4 would be high. As for temps, I installed a thermostat in the room and connected one of those air heaters so ambient temps never go bellow 68. Now since you mentioned watering/fertilizing, yeah I have avoided it so far. One question though, since I'm only watering like once every 4-5 days as things are now, should I give nutrients in every feeding or still alternate them?

    Thanks again for everything guys,
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    Haven't been around much lately kinda busy with travelling overseas. At the moment my brother is looking after my babes and updates me from time to time with pics. So here's some new eye-candy and some questions as well (like always ).

    Enjoy!

    All pics were taken on the 8th of Feb. Plants are 26 days old from seed. 18 days since the tiny seedlings were moved in the pots. Latest feedback has it that they have grown 5-6cm since then all varying around 20-23cm!!! Will be coming back with more pics during the weekend so stay tuned! Also did FIM on a couple just to try it out and see the end results and start getting the hang of it. Didn't seem to stop them much though height wise lol. On the contrary Hera that was FIMed is still the faster grower height wise. She got 6cm since FIMing in 2 days...



    Hera, not the most dense of em all but the tallest for sure. She was the first to receive FIMing. At least they definitely start to look more like sativas now so I'm kinda relieved!



    FIM closeup. looks like we overdid it a little. Should have left more probably. Oh well we'll see how it goes. We only did it on 3 out of the 9 to try it out. (are those pre-flowers I see there on the nodes bellow? I wasn't there to see for myself so hard for a noob to judge from the photo )



    As I said, are those pre-flowers or just new growth coming out of the nodes?



    Electra is one of the most dense and thick ones. Do the leaf tips look a little curled down here what do you think? Overall the plants have been wet for a while so the soil was left 6 days without watering before it dried out enough. (around 10cm inside) This pic is prior to watering. bro didn't stick around to see reaction post watering....



    Here they are all of them, they do seem a little droopy don't they? I don't know if it's from under-watering or heat (cause the temps rose 10 degrees Celsius in a day suddenly here, it's summer again!) Will check em out in the next pics on Saturday and we'll see. What do you think though? Hope he doesn't kill my babies or I'll shoot him!


    Also since as things are now we are watering once a week, should we be feeding every watering (weekly) or still alternate one yes and one no? They've gotten 2 feelings in a row now and so far they seem to be ok with it. Maybe a pH problem with the water I mentioned in previous posts? Isn't it a little early to have built up already? We are adjusting it now but so far they were watered since birth with a water of pH around 7,5 at least...

    Thank you all and stay tuned. More pics and updates to come on Sat!

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