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texas grass · #26 (**permalink**) Jul-31-2008, 08:34

he ony thig about contradictions is we are working with living nature. and all living nature is different. no 2 thing alike period. you cant have 2 exactly same plants from seed only similar plants. so since no 2 plants are alike(unless cloning) they all take different amounts of everything.
get used to growing the same strain and youll perfect it. if i say i can feed my widow with x amount of nutes and you try that with your widow you might burn it cause she cant take much nutes.
get it.

Weedhound · #27 (**permalink**) Jul-31-2008, 12:06

This is an extremely interesting thread. The starter of it doesn't really seem to understand the difference between growing to the best of your ability and just plain "growing." Sure, any goober can take a cfl and some soil from the back yard and grow a joint or two. Whoppee!! Not hard.....and you don't really need internet to do it or a website or even more than a garden book or two.

I've never once said my way is the "only way." However, i've put a LOT of time, energy, $$ etc into growing and feel that my experiences are (most likely) a little more on target than the guy with the mirror and regular light bulb.

Sure there are a lot of people that call that "growing." And folks who WANT to grow as cheaply and ghetto as possible.....feel free.....no one is stopping you.

What MY RANT IS is this: To those who don't want to put the $$, time, energy ETC into their grow do NOT come asking how to fix the mess you've made once it all crashes (which is why you were most likely warned not to do it that way in the beginning....).....cheaply and without much effort on your part. If you can't make it a priority to make growing your meds important then why in the world would I spend my time and energy fixing it for you?

Latewoood said it...if you go cheap; you grow cheap. You're very free to do so.....just don't expect the "experts" to pinpoint, clean up, and then fix your mess.

End of rant.

Weedhound · #28 (**permalink**) Jul-31-2008, 12:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkyattic

There are plenty of others, and they run the whole gamut from virtually unmoderated forums or forums where the moderation staff does not care about accuracy of information, to sites where accuracy is number one (like this one). You will find that there is an inverse relationship between the collective EXPERIENCE of a site's members, and the TOLERANCE of those members for the posting of incorrect information.

When you find a site where the members understand that growing plants is a SCIENCE, not a matter of opinion, you will find a place where fact is fact, and help is helpful. You've found one here, if you choose to take advantage of it. There are as any styles of growing as there are growers, but %reflectivity numbers are a quantifiable amount and not open to interpretation.

PREACH IT SISTER! AMEN!!

PottyBear · #29 (**permalink**) Aug-02-2008, 05:53

Wow again.

First off, I do believe I mentioned MORE THAN ONCE that the people here generally had their shit together and rarely got their Fruit of the Looms all wadded up when someone did something different. Yet, I have read more than one message that more than suggests that in fact, SEVERAL people got their Fruit of the Looms all wadded up because I was critical of THE ENTIRE STATE OF AFFAIRS over the whole web - NOT THIS SITE.

I know - you're a bunch of stoners, I should not expect much in the way of comprehension, right?

The point is, was, and always will be, that there are people who do NOT understand the keep it simple, and keep it inexpensive concept that the person growing one or two plants needs to follow. Most of the basics are strictly common sense, yet there are people that set up their own site and actually seem to preach AGAINST common sense.

What would be nice is that if I was looking up information about what temperature to grow at, or how much light a couple of plants need, or how moist the soil needs to be to grow in a pot that the answers be somehow approximately the same. That is simply not the case.

I've pretty much stuck with what I have heard here for the most part. Yes, there are people with some absolutely bizarre ideas of how and why some things are done, but most of them also seem to be people who looked at one single dubious source of information and somehow decided that was the only way. And there are a few people here who have said, "I don't know why x is done this way, I just do it" which is what later leads to those bizarre ideas being reproduced due to this little www game that strongly resembles broken telephone.

If people want to slag me and yap like I somehow personally insulted you or this site directly, knock yourself out. That's your prerogative - even if you are way out of line.

I stand by the original concept of this thread.

Contradictions suck. If I need to know if I should buy a fan or not because my grow space is running at 90°F, I'd like some kind of direct answer that makes sense and so would most other new people. If I need to know how deep to transplant my seedlings, I'd like to know how deep my seedlings can go in soil and not get a lecture on something about more lights blah blah spend $400 blah blah from growyourownstinkyassmaryjane.com. And if I get one more answer that sounds like an adult protective undergarment when I ask a specific question with specific details, I'm going to have to hit someone with some fish emulsion.

For all you long-time people, as a noob at this but an internet user for 15 years and a BBS user for 10 years before that, I'll tell you a couple of things about THIS site:

1) Stickies work. Fantastic info.

2) Search SUCKS. And I mean SUCKS sucks. It sucks so hard it almost starts to blow. Any search which gives you any more than 5 threads to read is POINTLESS. Most searches for pertinent information give you dozens of threads including hundreds of messages, or nothing at all. Do YOU have 3 hours to weed through that many posts? No? What are you trying to do, haze the newbies?

3) Giving a 5 word answer and then a 2 paragraph lecture on what someone SHOULD have done rather than ask their question ain't friendly, welcoming behaviour. FYI, this didn't happen to me - but I saw it several times using the aforementioned SEARCH function.

4) You've had X years to sort the BS from the truth, so for you it is easy. Newbies have had 0 years, and everything sounds true because you have NO idea how to weight things. Some have forgotten what it was like to have 0 grows of experience. SOME, NOT ALL, so don't start on me again about how "you're doing your best" - if you are doing your best to help, I am not talking to you, am I? Those who have forgotten know EXACTLY who they are. When I trained people to use computers, I never treated anyone I was teaching like that. Ignorance is not the same as stupid.

I didn't expect to get some of the kinds of responses I got. I thought I made it clear that the contradictions were all over the www. Now, instead of being able to get something harmlessly off my chest I feel like a few people are acting like I am some kind of ungrateful prick.

That ain't real friendly, neither...

psychocat · #30 (**permalink**) Aug-02-2008, 07:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weedhound

What MY RANT IS is this: To those who don't want to put the $$, time, energy ETC into their grow do NOT come asking how to fix the mess you've made once it all crashes (which is why you were most likely warned not to do it that way in the beginning....).....cheaply and without much effort on your part. If you can't make it a priority to make growing your meds important then why in the world would I spend my time and energy fixing it for you?

Latewoood said it...if you go cheap; you grow cheap. You're very free to do so.....just don't expect the "experts" to pinpoint, clean up, and then fix your mess.

End of rant.

Throwing money at a grow will not make it better , only solid knowledge will.
The most expensive is not always the best.
All information on growing is gathered in the same way Trial and error.
Everyone started with zero knowledge and it can be a slow laborious process to seperate the gems from the dross.
Contradictions are everywhere and unless there is a majority concensus it can be incredibly difficult to know who speaks the truth.

The more complex you make something the bigger the chances of errors.
KISS is IMO the best.
Keep It Simple Stupid .

TheMetal1 · #31 (**permalink**) Aug-02-2008, 10:35

I was actually genuinely interested in trying to make your experience on this site better. I tried (as did most everyone else) my best to lay out some basic guidelines when using a forum like this to help you acheive your goals.

After reading this...

Quote:

Originally Posted by PottyBear

I know - you're a bunch of stoners, I should not expect much in the way of comprehension, right?

Joking or Not... I really don't care how things work out for you now.

I have problems
I am very sick
I work
I maintain a 4.0 gpa
I try to help out where I can on this site

I DO NOT have time to treat another person with respect and be insulted like that. I don't care if it is playful, joking, or not even directed at me. Sarcastic bullshit like that does not make any allies.
Have fun and be safe

khronik · #32 (**permalink**) Aug-02-2008, 12:47

What he said ^^^.

Seriously, asking questions implying there there is only one right way to grow weed is the classic noob mistake, which you seem to be guilty of. And so many of the factors are interrelated, which is why you seem to be getting so many "depends" answers. How much should you water your plants? Depends what your temperature is and how much soil your plants have. How much soil should your plants have? Depends on your room temperatures and ventilation. How much should you ventilate? Depends on room temperatures and light power.

Really, it amounts to figuring out which things are hardest to change, and which are easiest to change, then adjusting the easy things to compensate for the harder ones. For instance, if your grow room is hot, that is hard to control if you have nowhere else to grow. So you can compensate for that by watering more, giving your plants more soil, increasing ventilation, and using a more heat-resistant strain. If your plants don't like it, you'll be able to tell.

SnSstealth · #33 (**permalink**) Aug-02-2008, 12:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by PottyBear

I know - you're a bunch of stoners, I should not expect much in the way of comprehension, right?

WOW...there's a GREAT way to get anyone to help ya out. And if I'm not mistaken, your whole sad rant here has been about YOU not COMPREHENDING what you were reading, and taking what you need out of what you read....Pot calling the kettle black maybe?

Dutch Pimp · #34 (**permalink**) Aug-02-2008, 13:05

I planned my first grow like the D-Day invasion during WW2. Then, I went out and bought my first flower pot. First grow, very sucessful.

Dutch Pimp · #35 (**permalink**) Aug-02-2008, 13:20

Damn!...I forgot something...

...The Secret to growing is simple..."don't have anything better to do"...

the image reaper · #36 (**permalink**) Aug-02-2008, 13:52

my 'scientific' approach: "it's a friggin' WEED, stick it in the dirt, leave it the hell alone - it will grow" ...

... BUT, if ya want it to finish like the pretty photos on the cover of 'High Times', ya gotta spend a bit of money, and a LOT of time, with craploads of PATIENCE ...

**stinkyattic** · #37 (**permalink**) Aug-02-2008, 14:02

Hi Reap! *pinch.

If you want to grow cheap, you have to match your style with your location and the spaces available, and be willing to work carefully and creatively within those confines, and still be able to recognize when it ISN'T okay to skimp on your expenses (correct exhaust, and heavy duty grounded timers for example). Don't overthink it though!

Well... geez... bunch of stoners with comprehension problems? Ummmmm... let's play 'count the PhDs' or 'count the small business owners' or 'count the independent contractors' or pretty much any other measure of intelligence/success around here and you run out of fingers and toes pretty damn quick.

I'm glad you like the stickies, because I think- just a hunch- that you might just have alienated a LOT of potentially very helpful people... I can only speak for myself though. Good luck man.

PlantHeadJ · #38 (**permalink**) Aug-02-2008, 14:13

I agree with Weedhound. Anybody with a seed, soil, food, light can grow. Everything will work, just how well. Maybe not get anything at all but the plant lived 8 weeks...it worked. I think that after growing over 15,000 varieties of plants all over the damn world, battling insects that took me weeks to identify, grafting, consulting, orchards, grapes, hops, perienials, tree farms, etc...I have found out one very improtant thing. I am not an expert. The plant is. The cool thing is they tell you what they need, you just need to learn to read plant. I learn something new every day, and am humbled every day by nature and her gifts. I also try to pass my findings on to others who are interested or maybe don't want to make mistakes others have. BUT you come on this website and are looking for information on how to grow medicinal MJ. You are going to get advice on how to make the most out of the plant to capture the medicinal qualities of this fine herb. These folks have spent countless hours perfecting, to the best of their abilities with the resources available, their craft. They are not selfish and willing to share with you their experiences. If you want solid scientific evidence and facts then you should be reading botany and plant science. When you learn the basics you will be able to elaborate on that and tweak the plant for your needs. So in closing, you can grow an MJ plant anywhere between 40-105 degrees F. You will have some really different results and some will be forgetable. This site provides information about optimizing growing conditions to achieve top grade medicine. Grow as you like, but trust me this site is a gold mine of information with nice folks sharing their experiences with you for free, taking time from their lives to type it out for you. I thank you all for that.
Peace,
Plantheadj

DeadSkunk · #39 (**permalink**) Aug-03-2008, 01:51

I have to admit, I too get frustrated with the contradictions over the WWW, and not specifically about weed. I'm pretty much a noob, even though I'm on my 3rd grow. This time around, I have not been so obsessed with the "correct" method. I have taken bits and pieces from what I've learned and used what I could. For instance, I am growing cheap. I'm using rubbermaid tubs, a computer fan, chrome duct tape (for reflectivity) and have been using warm white CFLs the entire time under 18/6. My space is limited, I only have 3 CFLS and my temps are mid-80s. I have to say, my plant is looking mighty fine and has been under 12/12 for 5 days. If I were to ask for advice for a given problem, I know some of the experienced growers would answer my questions to the best of their knowlege. Others might give me answers having nothing to do with the situation. An example would be "I gave my plant too many nutes. What should I do now?" and I could get an answer like "You need to bring your temps down". Nothing to do with the question at all. Thats what kind of what upsets me. Perhaps my plant is showing no signs of heat stress, yet some still seem to think heat is an issue. Hell, my first grow I had no knowlege at all. I did not belong to any forum, nor did I research the web. I had a closet full of clothes, cheap fluoro tubes, and an fan. I know it was well over mid 80s in there and my plant grew fine. I might not have ended up with drop-dead gorgeous buds, but it was good enough for me.

Just remember when asking questions here, that those that are willing to help aren't there next to you to walk you through it. They only know what you tell them about your grow, they can only see what your camera can see. And I must say, this is BY FAR the best forum I have ever come across, aside from the famous overgrow. But they are gone and I now have cannabis.com and I'm stickin' to it! It is the only forum I read.

SouthernGuerilla · #40 (**permalink**) Aug-03-2008, 02:25

I could give a fuck less to read all this crap.

But you people suck.

If you can't sort out how to grow something, do me a favor. "Google" how to make a slip knot and go hang yourself.

Man kind supposedly sorted out how to farm eons ago and yet we have the simple question of how do I grow a plant from seed. The world would be better off if people actually had to think on their own and provide themselves with food.

Buying ANYTHING from the "black market" supplies people who do not have your best interest at heart with tons of money.

I am stuck in pergitory! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah I'm in a shitty mood right now.

This forum rocks, period.
You can bet on it that the system/the man/the feds is/are mining this site for loads of intel.

Frankly I don't care to let it be known to anyone other than myself that I do anything worthy of the attention of federal authorities. Sometimes I cut myself out of the loop, now where did I hide my stash.

DeadSkunk · #41 (**permalink**) Aug-03-2008, 02:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthernGuerilla

I could give a fuck less to read all this crap.

But you people suck.

Well, you read it all the way to the end anyhow, didn't you? And you gave enough of a "fuck" to post a reply. I've never seen so many pot smokers so uptight! Chill

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthernGuerilla

Man kind supposedly sorted out how to farm eons ago and yet we have the simple question of how do I grow a plant from seed. The world would be better off if people actually hand to think on their own and provide themselves with food.

Are you not a member of the forum also?

DeadSkunk · #42 (**permalink**) Aug-03-2008, 02:36

Heh, I must have been replying as you were editing. Sorry you're in a shitty mood man, least you HAVE a stash. lol.

SouthernGuerilla · #43 (**permalink**) Aug-03-2008, 03:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadSkunk

Heh, I must have been replying as you were editing. Sorry you're in a shitty mood man, least you HAVE a stash. lol.

my stash is still growing, in the earth that is.

SouthernGuerilla · #44 (**permalink**) Aug-03-2008, 03:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadSkunk

Well, you read it all the way to the end anyhow, didn't you? And you gave enough of a "fuck" to post a reply. I've never seen so many pot smokers so uptight! Chill

Are you not a member of the forum also?

I am a member of the human race too...

Your point?

SouthernGuerilla · #45 (**permalink**) Aug-03-2008, 03:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by texas grass

he ony thig about contradictions is we are working with living nature. and all living nature is different. no 2 thing alike period. you cant have 2 exactly same plants from seed only similar plants. so since no 2 plants are alike(unless cloning) they all take different amounts of everything.
get used to growing the same strain and youll perfect it. if i say i can feed my widow with x amount of nutes and you try that with your widow you might burn it cause she cant take much nutes.
get it.

I might read this shit if someone could half ass use proper English and Grammar.

SouthernGuerilla · #46 (**permalink**) Aug-03-2008, 03:08

May we have a common sense test? If you pass you are granted membership to this forum...

**stinkyattic** · #47 (**permalink**) Aug-03-2008, 08:10

Well someone decided to wake up on the wrong side of the bed and start lashing out...

I think this is...

wait for it...

wait for it...

CLOSED!!!

SnSstealth · #48 (**permalink**) Aug-03-2008, 08:58

LOL stinks!

Weedhound · #49 (**permalink**) Aug-03-2008, 10:48

Wow and super wow!

I think I did not put my thoughts correctly and have stuck a pin into things and riled them up. For that I apologize.....and will try to make myself more clear (in a calm way here.)

I see a BIG DIFFERENCE between the person who doesn't have the $$ BUT IS WILLING TO PUT THE TIME AND ENERGY into their grow and the person who quite simply cannot be bothered to expend any real energy, time, etc on their grow.....but scream about all the "unhelpful info" they seem to feel they deserve for reason I don't understand for the life of me. Where does this sense of entitlement come from???

PottyBear if I implied that towards you I apologize. That's not what i meant to say and I may have said it very wrong in your case. Those who study hard are good growers....whether or not they have the bucks to buy expensive toys.

As long as growers who use "budget equipment" are well aware of their tendency towards problems [B]and the fact that they will have to WORK HARDER to compensate for those things then its fine if looked at realisticallyB](Planthead said.....yep....it WILL grow......the trick is how well??? And it will it make it to finish in poorer circumstances?

And I personally resent folks snarling about the help they receive because i AM one of those people that has studied and tried most info found on the net......and debunked it or found it to be true from personal experience. I've put in the work..the time...the energy. i'm not about to run around and grow people's weed for them.....especially if they can't be bothered to learn, study and observe in the first place......[I]which is somehow the WEBS fault.

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