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Weedhound · #26 (**permalink**) Aug-22-2007, 18:58

Well you're going to have to get fresh air in there to them somehow....especially with the heat in the room. I'm terrible at venting and air flow blah blah so can't help you there but hopefully someone else can.

Once you pick out the males....are you going to remove them or? Won't all the roots from the plants be grown together by then? Perhaps you have another idea for them?

guyfromchi2004 · #27 (**permalink**) Aug-22-2007, 19:05

I will not veg them for long .3 weeks after determining the males.I will put 2 in a 5 gallon bucket,so if I had 4 females I would use (2) 5 gallon buckets

Weedhound · #28 (**permalink**) Aug-22-2007, 20:13

That sounds good....IF we can get you to that point and IF we can keep the different plants roots from growing together. Keep working on your ventilation and heat issues....I'm sure that's your biggest problem right now.

i'll be back....

guyfromchi2004 · #29 (**permalink**) Aug-22-2007, 20:19

Ok,first of all.I apologize for giving out misinformation.I took a reading about 30 min ago.The tds floating between 270 and 280...That sounds about right.So when I checked the ph it was 5.5 as normal,then I decided to leave the meter in the solution for about 45 seconds,35 more seconds than usual.I normally let it sit in the solution for about 10 seconds...That's where I was wrong!as the ph sat at 5.5 after about 20 seconds it starting dropping all the way down to 4.7,Could this had been my problem?I had to think quick so I went into the bathroom and I got about 64 oz of water (out of the tap today...390!)I added it in my res,right now I am sure that my ph is at 5.7 and the ppm in the res is 290.I didn't add cal-mag nor food.

Weedhound · #30 (**permalink**) Aug-22-2007, 21:35

You do NOT know how that makes me feel.

I GOT IT RIGHT!!!!!!!!! Beer on me!!

You'll need to check if often until it stablizes.....still work on your heat issues....ph is the key though.....your plants simply will not grow well in hydro unless the ph is correct.

Dude, that was KILLING ME!!! Glad you worked it out.

Weedhound · #31 (**permalink**) Aug-22-2007, 21:40

Ok....just reread...you'll need to change your rez in the next day or two....reg tap water plus CalMag is too much minerals etc.....

In a pinch you can use SMALL amounts of baking soda to raise ph and distilled white vinegar to lower it. Check the ph carefully and often.

palerider7777 · #32 (**permalink**) Aug-22-2007, 21:48

i see u have a fan on ur ballest i do that too i would suggest getting an inline or cage fan with sum 4inch duct and setup in the room so to pump old stale air out and help get sum air in there

guyfromchi2004 · #33 (**permalink**) Aug-22-2007, 22:32

palerider,I don't have a problem getting an inline cage fan,that is a terrific idea,but how will I do it without a light leak,outside that window is the outside and you could probalby see that bright light from across the street.So is there something I can buy to allow me to vent out and still be lightproof...Or is that an oxymoron?

bongerstonerd00d · #34 (**permalink**) Aug-22-2007, 23:03

Bend the duct, light doesnt go around corners very well.

b0nger

guyfromchi2004 · #35 (**permalink**) Aug-23-2007, 00:35

Now that makes a lot of sense,that my project for tomorrow
I really need that ventilation

guyfromchi2004 · #36 (**permalink**) Aug-23-2007, 18:32

I guess do you learn something new everyday.I knew I needed ventilation but I didn't want to sacrifice being "Light proof".I thought the light would've traveled straight through the duct,if you bend it at the right angel the light really has to fight to be visible.Yesterday after adding the 64oz of tap water to my 3 1/2 gallon rez,I noticed that some of my leaves were curling,I thought to myself,"that can't be good"I took weedhound's advice and changed the solution today.Current stats:5.5 (im positive!) I also added 150ppm of cal-mag and 290 ppm veg food,a total of 440.I really apprieciate all the time and help you guys are putting in,just so that I can enjoy some fresh homegrown buds.Thanks all

guyfromchi2004 · #37 (**permalink**) Aug-23-2007, 18:39

I really notice the difference between good air and stale air.This is just a small fan pushing the air out..that's true.I do notice the difference in temp.tomorrow,I will go and get a squirrel cage fan

palerider7777 · #38 (**permalink**) Aug-23-2007, 22:30

well i ment duct it to another room and keep the window sealed up or cut a hole in the wall and duct it to another room and if u can't do that cut a 4 inch hole in the ceiling and let it blow into the attic.i don't like messing with windows or anything that people would look at and say whats that for?u know what i mean.are u in an apt or house? and in the house or apt where is the room at is it close to the washer/dryer area?

p.s cause the way u have it set up there when they get older u will need a air filter as u are blowing all the tomato smell out the window and u know what that does lol

guyfromchi2004 · #39 (**permalink**) Aug-24-2007, 16:45

that really,is the only place that I can vent but I rigged it to where you if you were trying to look inside all you would see is darkness,I am very proud to announce that today was the first day I woke up and the plants were actually not looking sick,thanks to all you'll.I am learning so much from this grow because of all of the errors I encountered.Thanks all.After this grow I think I will be ready to hand out some advice.I learn one very important thing...Make Sure The PH is what it says it is.It's almost like your plants can talk to you without vocalizing...if you pay close enough attention.Thanks all current stats 410ppm 5.3

PS When can I start flowering to weed out the males?

Cyclonite · #40 (**permalink**) Aug-24-2007, 17:39

They look hungry to me.....I would take the PPMs up around 700 and see how they respond.

8mlGrow-8mlMicro-8mlBloom per gallon....for flower try 4ml-8ml-16ml

guyfromchi2004 · #41 (**permalink**) Aug-25-2007, 09:57

By the looks of my plants,they are doing 100 x better,so I guess ph is VERY important.For now on..I check my ph at least 4 times a day.They seem to be hungry little creatures.2 days ago I added 150ppm cal-mag,290ppm veg food,10ppm of baking soda(ph was at 4.8)which brought me to a total of 450ppm,today when I checked the res it was sitting at 380ppm so they eat fast and they eat a lot...As for the question about having 9 plants in a 3 gal bucket, I'm not that good in cloning and one time I remember just growing one plant,Man that plant got huge,I let it veg for almost 2 months(it was a beast)it was about 3 ft high and about 5 feet across,everytime I looked at it,my mouth would water because I thought I was going to get about 2 to 3 pounds off of that plant,enough for me to never have to depend on a shady character on the street again.So one day I decided to do the flower thing,then it happened!It was a boy!So now I am taking a different approach.Everytime I check for the ph and tds I untangle the roots (which isn't a very hard job)I will start flowering soon to weed out the males,then I will go back into veg.Can I start now (flowering to determine males?)...Since changing the res 2 days ago,I have added 1 drop of ph down...when I did my morning test I was sitting at 4.6 and 370ppm,I added a pinch of baking soda,now I am sitting at 380ppm 5.6

Weedhound · #42 (**permalink**) Aug-25-2007, 11:36

They do look much better....good. If they are knocking the ppms down that fast then Cyclonite is right and its time to up their chow.

I was taught by my hydro man to use 50/50 CalMag and grow nutes up until you turn them to 12/12. So if you put them on 600....300 would be CalMag and 300 grow nutes. I'd try the six hundred and see how they do.

They look much better but I'd probably give them a week to recover from all the excitement and get a little more nutrition under their belts before you turn them.

guyfromchi2004 · #43 (**permalink**) Aug-29-2007, 09:40

These plants are fantastic!It seems like when growing,there is always "something" else to buy.I have an oakton ph meter.I got it last year,I didn't replace the probe yet,and I am getting funky readings.When I test my water,it will say (ie...)5.8 and then after a couple of seconds it will flip to 2.5 and then it will alternater between 5.8 and 2.5.I am thinking that I may need to replace the probe....50.00!Have anyone else had this problem?This ro water seems to acidify the longer it sits.My plants are incredibly hungry and thirsty creatures.I added about 2 gallons of ro water since changing the res last week...bought my ppm down to a 150.So I added 150ppm cal-mag and some food which brought my ppm up to 530.When I change out the res on friday I will up the ppm to 700.Must get ready for work now

Weedhound · #44 (**permalink**) Aug-29-2007, 11:56

They're looking really good.....yes, sounds like you need to replace your probe. You can buy some very inexpensive ph testers at your pet store for aquariums (NO fish ph adjusters....only testers for fish ok) and keep them as a quick back up and calibration set.

Oh yeah, there's ALWAYS something else to buy.

Have fun.

PS...keep your ppms up to the correct level and the plants will grow faster and be happier. (when you add water add your nutes and adjust ph to it first)

Weedhound · #45 (**permalink**) Aug-29-2007, 12:09

I just reread something else you posted....putting them into flower and then re-vegging them will cost you about a month of time with them going back and forth and I dont know if the stress could cause problems later so I'd think about that for awhile to be sure you want to put the time and energy into that.

**stinkyattic** · #46 (**permalink**) Aug-29-2007, 12:24

I think you may be a little iron deficient in those last pics.
What are you doing for micronutes? I'd give them a foliar feed a couple times with some GH micro mixed according to instructions, or another micro supplement like Algoflash.

guyfromchi2004 · #47 (**permalink**) Aug-30-2007, 21:06

hey stinky attic,Did you see the pic with my "tools".That's all I have.I don't know what Gh nutes are.Does that stand for "general hydroponic?"I don't want to use a "3" part fert.Isn't my powder fert any good?As for the micronutes,my fert says that it contains all of the micronutes I need.Plus,Thanks to weedhound I am using RO water.I think it would be cheaper for me to just buy a system,Might look on Ebay for one.My growshop sells 2 kind,One for 199.99 and the other for 299.00.Both are spendy,Just when I thought the lights were going to the last expensive thing I will need!!!So I will shop around ebay for one,Give me some examples of a cheap but good Ro system.I must start flowering soon!

guyfromchi2004 · #48 (**permalink**) Sep-05-2007, 00:11

I haven't "seen" you guys in a couple of days and I am here to update.First,I went and got a new probe for my ph meter.made a hell of a difference!I had to go into flowering,I thought I would be able to keep the roots from getting tangled,there is no way.They grow too fast.I am starting to think,maybe I shouldn't have put 9 plants in that 3 gal bucket.2 plants died.Leaves me with 7.The 2 died because of my laziness and carelessness.The water evaporates at a swift pace.I was down to about 350ppm when I decided to start flowering.It wasn't time to change the res so I added 300ppm of cal-mag and flower food with more ro water.I do have a question though.I notice Cal-mag label states "2-0-0"...So is this good to use throughout flowering or should I switch to something else? Here are some pics from today.2nd day of flowering

Weedhound · #49 (**permalink**) Sep-05-2007, 10:48

DONT LOOK SICKLY NOW DO THEY!!!!

Well, I can see why when you had those sad little pups you thought they'd be controllable. HA!

If you use R/o or distilled water.....you need your CalMag. All the way through.

guyfromchi2004 · #50 (**permalink**) Sep-06-2007, 19:19

I'm really starting to understand this PH/PPM thing.I've notice that when I top off or make new solution,My ph starts at about 5.4.It drops to 4.6-4.7 everytime.Ro Water,Cal-Mag,flower food.So now I decided to start the ph at 6.1 and see if I will end up with 5.2.I won't know until I check tonight when it will be "daytime" .I use regular hydro flower food,it's a powder.What are the advantages of the 3-part fert compared to the kind I use?what other suppliments should I buy during my flowering phase?

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