so far, anyway ... had a couple early pH scares ... but, overall, the plants have done as good as expected, and a clone taken directly from the mother to the other hydro-pot, seems to be doing just fine ... lots of helpful info both from reading the Forums, and friends here ... thanks ... I am enjoying this, after soil over and over, it's kinda cool to 'go back to school' to learn new stuff, makes it interesting again ... ...

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Those are the ones transplanted from soil into hydro? My friend is considering that soon with an awesome soil plant he has.

Welcome to the club, I hope you enjoy your stay.

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yup, had two plants in soil for about 6 weeks, terribly stunted from light-bleaching ... the one was male, and has since disappeared ... I took a cutting from the mother on the right, and planted it in the newly-empty pot ... strains differ, but mine doesn't seem to mind the changes one bit ... when I pulled the male from the pot, he already had good white roots growing after only 4 days in the hydroton ...

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Opie, I really dig your 'disclaimer' ... finally, a well-worded notice

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Reaper put a cup or a plate around that little scamper or those constantly wet leaves will burn....you can take it away when she's tall enough.

PS....they look great and happy

This is probably a good idea. I notice that when I put my babies in the clay pellets, wherever the leaves touch the hydroton they burn and die. I think this will happen if there is any nutrients in your system. I start them at 1/4 strength, and even that is enough to leave nutrients on the individual pellets. Even when they look dry there is usually a slight bit of moisture in them, and I think the new leaves just can't handle being in constant contact.

Thanks for the compliment.

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yeah, I have a clear bowl I occasionally put over it, was off for photo ... I purposely let it get soaking wet frequently, etc., and the clone is in full-strength nutes, too (I know this is 'wrong', it's a 'stress-test') ... I am 'stress-testing' to determine stability in my own personal hybrid (anytime I have a plant that's not growing 100%, I 'experimentally' abuse it, to learn more about it) ... if pro breeders did more of that, I think you'd see a lot less genetic weaknesses ... so far, nothing seems to be damaging to her, she is handling all the mistreatment I can 'accidentally' commit (she must have found out she is a WEED) ... I absolutely don't pretend to be a pro breeder, but I am a firm believer in strong stable genetics (must be from growing up around all that Illinois corn ) ... 'only the strong survive' ...

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looking good reaper, I'm in the middle of my best dwc grow i've had in a while, i hope to try my hand at drip and or flood and drain someday

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how it all started:

http://boards.cannabis.com/closet-ca...light=mrabrego

an abandoned thread:

http://boards.cannabis.com/closet-ca...=cactus+clones

My only thought with the constantly wet leaves is.....wet leaves under a strong light will burn. I don't think it has anything to do with nutes....I think it's just wet leaves under a strong light..

Nice looking grow, Reaper. That plant you took out of the soil is looking real good!

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you're absolutely correct, water on leaves magnifies and burns plants ... now, if I could just figure out why 5 days of soaked leaves, and full-strength nutes, didn't screw her up any worse, than what they did ... I'm guessing they 'got a pass' this time, because I backed my lamp off so far (at 28" now, lowered it a few inches today, and will put the dome back over the clone) ... after my light-bleaching scare, I've backed off the lighting distance, maybe too much ...

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Better too much than too little......I dropped my one k mh about a foot from some new seedlings at first try.....couldn't find the little things a few hours later....

Looks good reaper.....are you using a zyme product or H202 for your roots?

I'm using the included General Hydroponics 3-part nutrients, Cal-Mag+, dab of molasses, and added a little Earth Juice 'Catalyst' for some organic activity ... I wasn't expecting the light-bleaching, I'm so used to using fluoro-tubes just barely above the canopy ... I bought the 400-watt setup, and have just been getting closer and closer ... ... didn't catch on to what was happening until it was too late, the seedlings were white as printer paper, and stunted for weeks ... that hydro plant in the pic is 7 weeks from seed ! ... I should toss her, and start over with my 5 new seedlings , but she fought so hard, and is showing so much promise, she is getting a break ... I wish I had room to maintain her as a mother, she has shown outstanding stress resistance and heavy pre-flowering ...

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Because your light was back. I am a big fan of pulling your lights back in the beginning for several reasons. For one, the closer your light is to your plants, the more right on your PH and nutrients must be. If I put fresh clones under my 600W HPS, or even my 400 MH, I make sure the light is a few feet back to start.

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i took a cutting well really it was growing into my lights so i did'nt really care so i cut it back to clear the lights and i had some nutes i had from a nute change at 1500ppm and i just droped it in there i had abunch of hydroton in the bucket tooso i just droped it in there and it did'nt burn wilt nothin after about 4 days it had roots and was growin great with no probs at all i thought to myself man nobody really knows how this shit works i mean for the most part but now i think a plant will do what it wants to do as it's built into it's dna so to speak to adapt and survive or atleast some times then and thats not the only one that has done that i've done alot of thinks people say u should never do and the plant just keeps on going and going so who knows

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it has nothin to do with lights, when the leafs stay wet from layin on the hydroton, or whatever u have it in and it stays wet it gets over saturated, and pretty much drowns the leaf. as it's not gettin any air to it ive had plants just in the window in a setup like he has with the drip, and in just plain water and it still happens with hardly anylight. let alone under mh or hps so thats my guess iv'e ruled out light,heat nutes so only thing i could think is it's just to wet and can't breath, as if it was a light factor u would see lil burnt spots, where the water was not the whole leaf dying all the way to the stalk just my 2c

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Opie....that light thing is nothing. If you want to see something interesting put a ml/gallon of superthrive in a hydro setup with a some brand new seedlings. They actually PETRIFY. I''m not joking...you could put someone's eye out the hardened little taproot.

Ps....I know reaper LOVES superthrive....

You ever consider turning her into a bonsai mum?

mums

I'm doing it right now and it seems to be simple and effective.

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Well I guess that's one way to make toothpicks.

I love SuperThrive as well, but I don't do more than 2 drops per gallon for clones, and 4 or 5 for young adults.

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Reaper, Thanks!

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All of this is just pretend. But if I grew marijuana, it would be in strict compliance with California Law, SB420.

Live wild - it's too late to die young.

"Let the old men who make the wars, fight the wars."

an update ... I pulled the clone out of the hydroton yesterday, as one of my new seedlings was looking better ... out of curiosity, I tore open the rapidrooter plug ... the clone had no roots at all ... zero, zilch, it never even tried to root ... I can understand that OK, but the damned thing 'looked' fine ... it looked just like the day I put it in there (which is why I replaced it) some sort of suspended animation, I guess ... regardless, I found out I can't always be lucky , and luck has always been my 'ace in the hole' ...

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Yeah, I completely understand. I've had the same thing happen before, so I always make sure the babes have a nice amout of roots started before placing them in the hydroton. It saves me the frustration of an uneven growth rate and canopy, kinda like my growth bubbler (I transition the cuttings from the rockwool cubes to the clay pebbles under CFL for a week or two) which seats six babes but has been taken over by two and the other four are fighting for light...

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