If your tap water stays stable with the ph it sounds like you are good to go. Don't let that hydroton escape until it submits phwise...that stuff is a BEAR to keep stabilized.

I've only used the one drip system so cannot offer any pearls about different systems better/worse. Hopefully others will chime in about which ones they like and why.

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OOOH, OOOH, an AUTOGRAPH! Whoopie!!! Do I get the ONLY autograph? It's gonna be worth that much more now! Somehow I thought there were other 'nudgers' involved in getting this masterpiece published... but I will proudly take the Sole Autographed copy....

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I think this might be relevant here, so I will ask.
When you use the ph down, or if you are dilluting you dwc because of high ph, and are using ph'd water, how does that affect ppm? I know that when I add ph down for example, to get the ph from 6.4 down to 5.5, it ups the ppm, how does that affect the plant? Does this make sense? Thanks.

Hey Kush good to see you,

If you use too much of the up or down I know it can adversely affect your plants but the stuff used in hydro to adjust ph are things that the plants use anyway like potassium chloride and such (please don't ask me the exact ingredients because Id have to look them up.....) so a smaller amount of these things are actually beneficial for your plants. However, I have heard that in rathr high doses they can cause issues so if you find yourself having to use large amounts or reset your ph again and again it could cause an issue. Otherwise I would just add the ppm number on after you measure out your normal nutes.

To babble on.....this is one of the reasons that ph adjusters for fish or aquariums (not the testers...just the adjusters) are not recommended for using on plants.....they are made from different ingredients and can be too high in salts for our beloved ganja.

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Okay, as you know I am stupid, so just to clarify.
I don't understand what happens when, I add ph down, my water is at around 250ppm out of the tap and at 8.5ph, after ph'ing it down it is almost 300ppm! so if I want to be at 400 total, I can only add 100ppm with nutes, (doesn't seem like much?) or do I just add the 400ppm with the nutes in addition to what it starts at?

And then once it is adjusted, do I need to account for the ppm change from adding the ph down?
In a few days my ppm will be higher than where they started, but it's just the ph down, will it keep the plants from feeding on the nutes? I will go away after this and bother someone else for a while I promise! Thanks WH.

I would add the number onto your total. If you want 400 ppm....do your 400 and then add your other numbers on after that (400 plus your ph up, tap water, etc...) If you find that you are having to adjust your ph too much and it's making your number too high after awhile then you should consider using something like RO water which tends to stay more stable and not jump around as much or do more water changes to compensate. After adding things for awhile your number WILL get way up there and you can lose track of which part of your total niumber is nutes or additives or ph down etc..and that can REALLY mess you up.

Kush if I am misunderstanding your question I apologize and feel free to keep pounding away until you get it into my head.

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You nailed it there, I am losing track! But I was also phing the water first, then adding nutes, I have swapped out resovoirs with water that I added the nutes to first then ph'd, the ppm were slightly less than when I did it the other way, now just to wait and see how long it holds at my desired ph. I tested some water and it was stable so it must be something that I am doing to it, hopefully switching the way I ph it helps, thanks again, you did nail exactly what I was asking!

Are you using new hydroton by any chance? That's the exact issue I ran into with the hydroton so that's probably why I know what you mean. With that stuff my numbers would DOUBLE within a few days just from constantly having to add ph down to my res. I was ALWAYS having to do water changes to keep things in balance despite my RO water and you'd better believe THAT got old in a hurry.

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Fucking Hydroton!
I thought that it was supposed to calm down after awhile, I also rinsed and soaked it forever, still, I get this!
Will it ever end? What would be a better choice for medium next time?
Now that you say that, I remember reading something about someone saying that exact same thing, it was probably you!

It took FOREVER until that stuff was stable imo. I also personally think it adds to fert build up problems myself but I'm known to grumble about hydroton in general so you have to take what I say with a grain of salt.

Higromite Here is what I use and I like it but it does have its own drawbacks. Among them....weighs ALOT (weighs about how it looks....) and has the same dust issues at the beginning as hydroton so you have to rinse it and for some reason algae LOVES this stuff and will grow like mad on it so its best to keep it covered. I will say that since I've started using it again my plants are much better, healthier and yield better so I'm sticking with it.

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i use liquid light or should i say i used liquid light you have to raise the canopy a couple of feet cause if you dont your plants will burn right up i mean its really tricky to get the right amount and move the lights the right heighth.its like if you use a 400 hps your yeild would be like your using a 600wt if your using a 600wt its like 1000 ext.. so ,try it out, imean hey if we never try new things how are we ever going to get anywhere

I am a complete newbie and I don't understand much of what these nutes do.
Can you explain when i would use these and what each one of these do. Sorry to be a pest. Hopefully it would clear somethings up for me and maybe anyone else who had the same question.


-Daniel

STINKY!!! HELP!!

Daniel I must say I am so bad with this kind of thing but I will give it a try. Understand that the way I grow is the way I was taught from a very kindly hydro guy whom I still think walks on water so when he tells me to do something I pretty much do it without asking why. I think that's why I loved teaching cm......he was a good boy who did what he was told.

I am only going to list the basics....anyone who wants in depth information on specific nutrients needs to talk to Stinky or rhizome or someone who actually knows.

First here is the website that explains the nutrients and supplements I use. DISCLAIMER: I am not affiliated with these products. They are simply the brand I use.

Botanicare : Products : Product Overview : Nutrients

This iincludes product overviews for the CalMag, Pro Grow, Pro Bloom, Hydroplex, Liquid Karma and Sweet.

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But this website has a cool way of waiting until you've written a 3 page post before it swallows the the entire thing forever so I've learned to post in stages.

Dutch Master: FOLIAR TECHNOLOGIES

Here is the website for the Reverse, Penetrator, and Liquid Light which are the foliar sprays I use.

Lastly here is the website for Cannazym

http://www.canna-hydroponics.com/pro..._cannazym.html

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Reverse osmosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A quickie on RO water. The Cal Mag is used to replace the mierals etc that are lost in the RO process that the plants need.

Sooo...yes. You get to pay to take those things out of the water, and then pay more to put them back in.

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Lastly a quick run through:

RO water: Water with close to nothing in it and usually used in hydroponics to control the exact nutrients and minerals the plants are getting and to assist in controlling the ph of the nutrient solution.

Cal Mag: Supplement to replace lost minerals in your RO or distilled water.
Pro Grow: One part hydroponic nutrient for vegetative growth
Liquid Karma: General supplement for plant health and to assist with ph control.
Sweet: Carbohydrate supplement to increase growth and flowers
Pro Bloom : One part hydroponic nutrient for flowering
Hydroplex: Bloom enhancer or "bud booster"


Reverse: Foliar spray to eliminate to possibility of hermaphrodites appearing and
pollinating the flowers.
Liquid Light: Foliar spray to increase growth.
Penetrator: Additive to foliar sprays to assist with leaf penetration

Cannazym: Added to resevoir to assist and maintain root health.

PS.....you folks are on your own with the 3% hydrogen peroxide.....google it.

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WOW! Thankyou so much!

-Daniel

hey weedhound, not to thread jack or interrupt, but has anyone seen kindprincess around lately?

Hey WH you wrote in week 3 of bloom you use 600ppm of the pro grow did you mean to switch back to pro grow for a week and then back to pro bloom or is the just an error and you ment pro bloom? Only asking cuz I'm a noob

Actually you are right and that is a mistake. It should be Pro Bloom.....somebody else mentioned it also. Thanks for reminding me so we can get it straight.

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