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Old Mar-24-2005, 16:43
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To flush or not to flush, that is the question. My last 2 harvests i flushed with clearex one week before harvest. During that last week, just ran pHed water thru the system. This harvest i am considering not using clearex but rather gradually reducing the nutrient mix during the final weeks and then just water for a couple of days. Any opinions would be appreciated. Thanks
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Old Mar-24-2005, 17:07
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hi there, i don't know what clearex is. my opinion is when you decide to start your flush, then just change to ph adjusted water and let all the nutes be flushed out that way. no need for any other additives. it is just like in autumn when the plants are done with their cycle, it tends to rain alot, in turn, flushing the plant. plus it is cheaper and you won't have to add anything to it. just flush away and enjoy!!!
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That would work if you don't mind the taste of the nutrients....lol

Really, you do need to flush. Advanced nutrients have a very good flusher called Final Phase. It's expensive but it does work, I switched from clearex to flora kleen and now use final phase. I do notice a big taste difference between all the flushers and final phase works the best. Regular Ph water only does not get enough of the nutrients from inside the plant and takes three times as long to flush completely. IMO
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hey zandor. around how much is this final phase stuff? always looking for new ideas and things, but don't want too much of a punch in the wallet.
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That would work if you don't mind the taste of the nutrients....lol

Really, you do need to flush. Advanced nutrients have a very good flusher called Final Phase. It's expensive but it does work, I switched from clearex to flora kleen and now use final phase. I do notice a big taste difference between all the flushers and final phase works the best. Regular Ph water only does not get enough of the nutrients from inside the plant and takes three times as long to flush completely. IMO
I'd listen to Zandor it sounds like he knows what hes talking about. I wished I could've talked to you when I first started. Seems I learn everything the hard way. I can tell you from experience that you definitely want to flush, I didn't on my second grow and the smoke tasted like shit, I got cocky after a first successful grow.
Can final phase be used in conjuction with DWC? and where might one find Final Phase?
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Old Mar-25-2005, 21:09
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I learned most everything the hard way myself....It took me over 15 years of growing indoors before I ever grew one plant that produced over one pound of dry bud. Hell I never flushed with anything but Ph adjusted RO water before 5 years ago. I would change the water every other day. Take a reading before and after when the PPM no longer change by more then 10 PPM I thought I was done.

After the first time I flushed with Clearex I tasted a difference right a way. Then I changed to flora clean about 12 months ago. Only because I was still using GH nutrients so I thought it would work better because it's the same company. Now I just tried Final Phase and yes there is a difference again. In side-by-side taste tests the Final Phase did taste fresher is all I can say. It is a lot more expensive and I bet the clearex will work for 90% of the people who grow and it's tons better then just water. Flora Kleen I think is the cheap then Clearex. Discount Hydro sells the Final Phase for about 30 dollars a gallon and Flora Kleen for about 18.00 a gallon all USD.

I found some people who were growing almost trees about 5 years ago I learned everything I could from them they were growing 1.5 to 5 pounds per plant and were happy to teach me their technique. Mostly how they control and maintain a stress free environment and stimulant growth at the correct time.
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what are the active ingredients in these flushing items? i ask so if there is anything i can add to the ph adjusted water when i flush. just like vinegar lowers ph and baking soda (powder?) raises ph. is there anything i can add to the water that will help the flush without purchasing these items? i know it won't be AS good, but still
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I just check my bottle and it has crap all over it and I can't read most of it. It mostly say's natural this and natural that but there is some others things that help it release the nutrients. The flora Kleen is about 8 bucks a quart USD so it's not really that expensive. I too use vinegar, lemons, and baking soda for years. I switched to the real thing and now my Ph stays where I put it. When I use lemons, vinegar and baking soda I had to adjust my Ph all the time. Not anymore....Better livening through chemistry I guess.
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Could always water cure instead of flushing.

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Yes 3 weeks minimum of Ph adjusted water only works for 90% or better of the time. The other stuff just saves time so you can feed the plants a little longer.
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Zandor... you grow plants indoor that produce 1lb of chronic?
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yea.....ZANDOR..............been reading ur posts and u see like a clued up guy............ive got 6 plants nearly ready for harvesting but id b lucky to get a pound off all of them put together...............id luv to know how 2 change that......if u can help........cheers
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Can final phase be used in conjuction with DWC? and where might one find Final Phase?
Yes. mondogrow.com has it and they are a reliable company.

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Flushing should be part of everyone’s watering plan. You would have less problems of nutrient lock if you did. Especially of you grow with any hydro system. It will help keep your system clean and plants stress free. You should flush once a month and between cycle changes to maintain healthy plants at least. It’s all about stress free gardening.
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what is the difference with water cure and flushing?
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Zandor... did you grow a plant indoors that produced a pound..?

How long did you let it grow.. sounds crazy..... I would like to see a picture : )

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Personaly..never flush and never change water and ..and... well... t

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the heat, air circulation and the massive amounts of water that the plants drink keeps the water fresh : )

NUT LOCK is BAD!!!!!!!
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Personaly..never flush and never change water and ..and... well... t

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the heat, air circulation and the massive amounts of water that the plants drink keeps the water fresh : )

NUT LOCK is BAD!!!!!!!

Well that works for you then...More power to you. It sounds like you are growing with DWC bio-buckets or something like that? There was a time when I felt the exact way as you do. I found some people who showed me the error of my way's and I did repent!....lol

This server is hosted in the USA so I don't post any pictures. As a rule I don't post any pictures anymore period. I just don't want to give leo any help if you know what I mean. I will ask some friends if I can post some of theirs. They do not live in the US so there should not be any issue with them.
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what is the difference with water cure and flushing?
Flushing the plants while they are alive. Water cure the bud after harvest. Water cure helps to remove the nutrients and makes the smoke smoother. Personally i prefer to flush with a nutrient clearing agent AN Final Phase.
With seed grown crops the plants sometimes finish at different times so i water cure the early finishers that don't get flushed when they are alive and growing.

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Flushing should be part of everyone’s watering plan. You would have less problems of nutrient lock if you did. Especially of you grow with any hydro system. It will help keep your system clean and plants stress free. You should flush once a month and between cycle changes to maintain healthy plants at least. It’s all about stress free gardening.
100% agree.

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Old Apr-06-2005, 21:09
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dude i cant be live the crap i read. u must flush and u dont need 2 buy any thing just flush with quarter strenth feed 2 weeks before harvest .thats it. ull be happy with the results fat buds .say no more. stay slippery
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