Lets get to the details for veg
3 100w CFL's running 6500k
1 small 6inch fan
DWC system with 15 sites
Milwaukee 3-1 ph/ec/tds meter
2 and 1/2 gal of RO water
2 6'inch airstones
Rockwool cubes
net baskett

Strain
Northern Lights x AK47
Sugarberry (Widow x blueberry)
put into cubes 19 days ago
running 5.8 ph
140 TDS
Botanicare products
Pro Grow
Liquid Karma
Hydroguard
18/6 light cycle
temp is 72 degrees f
water temp is 70 degrees f

Things are looking ok so far. Good root growth in about half. White roots except where liquid karma attached. Some of the stems have turned red though. I just changed the nutes and water today. Before it was 110 tds and looking good. I want to introduce some cal-mag soon. Some of the new leaves are twisted and a bit warped. Leaves look a bit pale green but they are still young. Should i introduce more nutes or is 140 enough? are the red stems a nute deficiency because I dont think its a trait of any of the strains. What do you guys think?

Hope these pictures work

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By all means....start your CalMag asap. I start CalMag the first time I introduce nutes to my seedlings. You could raise their general number as well....but props for not pouring every thing you can get your hands on into your res and frying them. That's generally the biggest mistake folks make.

Good luck.....sounds like you've really put some work into it.

PS....when your ppm drops like that (140-110) they're hungry!

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Thanks a lot. I have tried this before but I did not have a PH or TDS meter. Big rookie mistake. I will introduce the calmag today. I am going to start using tap water as well because it is only about 140 TDS here.

Ok well you should pick one and stick with it......if you use RO water....you need Cal Mag. If you use tap water.....you shouldn't need Cal Mag.

Right now they look like they need some good minerals etc so decide which way you want to go and go for it!

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I introduced cal-mag a few minutes ago. 35ppm for now and I will slowly go up as needed. I was reading the sticky for Botanicare products and was under the impression that for cal-mag the grower was using equal doses of grow to cal-mag with RO water. That was just his experience so we will see.

The water temp maxes out at 72 and drops to 68.
The PH is holding steady at 5.8. this meter is great! I have always calibrated it every week but it never needs it. It is only off by 15 ppms after 3 weeks of use but calibration fixes that.
Its weird how the ph of RO water is so low. 3.9 i measured. guess thats due to some carbon gas in the water.

PPM's with pro grow and cal-mag are at a total of 180. I bet they love those trace elements.

Sounds good.....I'd stick with the RO water and CalMag if those are working for you. Tap water is fine as long as your ph stays stable with it and it has enough calcium, minerals, etc....for your plants. Again....just not both together.

Good luck.

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Thanks for the help Weedhound.

made some butter. Nice and green. Double Fudge brownies.

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Oooooo thats' LOVELY looking. Buckle up your seat belt though when you take your ride with that stuff.

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got a recipe up of what I made in that section of the forum. I let the butter simmer for 21 hours on low. Got up and stirred it all night. will post results when I am able to function.

Funny I just saw who posted the Botanicare line above. haha. thanks weedhound.

Plants are looking better. The ppm did not drop at all but stayed level. I am leaving for 24 hours so I diluted to res down to 150 and put the ph at 5.6 I am expecting them to eat and for the ph to rise while I am away to 5.8 since I can't calibrate it. I am wondering if I should add a few more drops of cal-mag since I am only at 30 ppm with it and 120 with the grow.

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sorry for the blur. The Lens is not meant for close-ups nor did I mount on a tripod.
See the weird twisted growth on some. Is that over ferting?
what about the edges of the leaves on the big one? is it too hot by the lamps? I put my hand under it at plant level and it was fine. what do you guys think?

That big leaf in the last photo does look too hot to me. See if you can pull it away from your lighting and whether it improves or not.

I personally like to run CalMag at a 50/50 ratio with the grow nutes so naturally I'm going to tell you to add more. If those were my plants.....at that age...I've have them on 100ppm EACH of CalMag and Grow nute (RO water!!!) and then a couple mls of Liquid Karma to come out with about a ppm of 250ppm.....and maybe even higher if they were doing fine with that number.

I personally think you can raise your entire number somewhat....(I also think part of your problems are your numbers are too low) but I wouldn't do it unless you will be around to keep an eye on things. Otherwise...if you are leaving and can't watch..... I'd go with 75ppms each of CalMag and Pro grow.

Edit: I wrote at the beginning the big leaf in the last photo.....I meant the leaf in the FIRST photo looks hot.....sorry....

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Thanks. i will bump up the calmag 25 ppms. that seems safe.

Better safe than sorry......

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running 165 ppms. 110 of grow and 55 of cal-mag with the 25 ppm difference. I will post in a day when I return and if things look good then I will bump the cal-mag another 25 ppms. Sorry for so many posts but i tend to blurt out every detail so i can get the best help possible and maybe can develop a journal for these 2 strains.
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Things are looking good after 24 hours. the res when refilled to top level with water sat at 150-155ppms which shows they are eating 10-15 ppms over a 24 hour period with a stable ph of 5.8. I increased my cal-mag which brought it up to 180 so I have about 70 ppms of cal-mag to 110 grow.

Good, good, keep it up!

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So I am going to use tap water after all since it is only 130-140 ppms. The plants are looking good this morning but need to spread out so I am going to divide them into another prop tank. I have had water sitting out for the last few days so I am good on that. I am not sure how much cal-mag I need though.
I don't think there is much cal and mag in the water here so I will start off small at 20 ppms and see how they adjust. Post pics later

Ok....but I honestly wouldnt use any with your tap water....you don't need one single extra ppm on board.

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Tub #1 has the larger roots
tub#2 has the smaller roots

I took the ones (tub#2) with smaller roots and switched to my tap water which I will be using from now on. after two days of the tap water sitting out the ppms were at 100. I put 80ppms of grow and 30 ppms of cal-mag. I will go no further then 30 ppms of cal-mag for the rest of the veg just to be safe and see if its okay with the tap water. I will be switching the big one (tub#1)
in 3 days to tap water. I will also be nixing the ppms of the tap water. so I will always be subtracting 100 ppms from the total of the ppm meter.

tub #1 .........160 ppm 100 grow 60 cal-mag
Tub#2..........110 ppm 80 grow 30 cal-mag

both tubs have a few mls per gallon of liquid karma and 10 ml/gal of hydroguard

So I don't think they like all fert in there just yet. My ppms went up over the night and I noticed some fert burn on the lower leaves. I dumped out both or the res. in place for dechlorinated tap water which is set for 5.8 p.h. I will check them to see if the ppms rise in the container from the leeched roots.

They're getting there....lots of this is trial and error as you are discovering. Your plants are doing pretty well for a first grow.....no worries just keep trying and watching the plants for their reaction. Catching a reaction early is your best weapon in hydro.

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Thanks for the boost Weedhound. So the fresh water has been there for a day. should I put fresh water in and remove the salts that were leeched or leave the water in for a few more days? They only have at the most 3 sets of "true" leaves. I do have fresh dechlorinated water. i have to get more ph down at my local store so I will post pics when I get back.

Made a few improvements. Light hood made of Duct tape, cardboard, and mylar. Works like a champ.

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Tub 1 is at 20 ppms
tub 2 is at 10 ppms

plants are loving the leeching. the stalks are greener already. No more burn detected at all.