Hey buds, For blooming plants early in the blooming stage, besides Dyna Grow - Bloom, and 1 ml of Thrive, what else should be in my 5 gallon buckets?
I cant afford CO2, but I feel like something is missing...... The plants are healthy and 5 days into 12 12...

Ummm.... you can buy additives if you want.

LateWood loves Liquid Karma... I think.

There are also other stuff... like BGHydro's Bloom Blaster... stuff like that.

????

You should be using RO water and calmag+with b-52 or liquid karma. Then you can add blooms and bigbud or stuff like that.

PK 13-14 is supposed to be excellent. You add it 3 weeks to the day you start flowering.

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You can use additives if you'd like, but they're snake oils. I've bought and used every possibile additive for my setup and have seen no positive effects.
These nutrient companies are looking for more revenue so they'll sell ya anything.
(On a good note, I didn't see any negative effects either.)
Well, thats not all true. I did try Superbud and while insanely expensive, it did shorten the stretch of my plants during flowering. A bit of research into the product and I found that they used a specific plant hormone in their "secret reciepe". You could make hundreds of gallons of your own Superbud for less then $15. If anyone is interested, I will go into more detail.

The plants are healthy
Then what's the problem? If it aint broke, don't fix it.

Once again Relic, I agree with you. And yes, I am interested, please go into more detail.

You don't need a bunch of crap in your nutes. You can go to a bunch of extra trouble and expense if you want to, but what will you get out of it? An improvement in your yield of maybe, and I am going way out on a limb here, 1%. Probably more like 1/4 percent though. Why don't you spend your time and money setting up some co2 and improve your yield by 30%, and get more harvests per year to boot?

For cloning I use a B1 additive.
For vegging I use Fox Farm's Grow big, and a dash of Superthrive.
For budding I use Fox Farm's Tiger Bloom.

That's it, and here is a look at the results from my 3' x 2 1/2' closet. This is a sneak peek at a post of mine coming soon. I want to dry and weigh before posting.

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Oh yeah, this is without co2, which is coming soon, and flowering early due to lack of buds.

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What strain is that, I like the "sticky" look.

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AK47, and it is very sticky. That's probably because it's supposed to be one of the most potent strains ever. Hell, I wouldn't know. Seems like I can't even get stoned anymore. Too much tolerance?

I tell you what... The whole house reeked today, and not from smoke. My 2 year old boy woke up and said, Mommy, what stinks? Is daddy going poop? Incidentally, he is the cutest boy known to mankind and elswhere.

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Loc Nar:
I'ld not like to have an argument please, but this seems a bit excessive.
1) RO water
2) calmag+
3) b-52 or liquid karma
4) Then you can add blooms
5) and bigbud
Holy crap I would go crazy trying to organize all that. I'll stick with well water and Tiger Bloom, and consider the Superbud thing that Relic speaks of.

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well, for one thing...If you don't have 1000w, you really don't need co2, because the plant/atmosphere creates enough natturally...smaller lamps durn burn off co2 at the rate a 1000w does...FYI

locnar has a clue...nuff said. lw

I know. And I don't have a clue.

We are all still learning, aren't we?

I've got 600 watts, and I would like to try adding some co2. Is that so insane? I've heard good things.

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No, it is just that co2 is not the cure-all monster growing miracle...unless you know what you are doing...It takes a fairly elaborate set-up and alot of tweaking to get co2 settings right...Hell you can fry'em with co2 if you are not careful...

sorry, I wasn't trying to be an A'Hole..Opie...My back is Killing me and I am out of Indimeds...Not smoke...just Indi....lol

there is a ton of crap out there...Yes, you are right, but to make a general statement that all additives are a waste of money...That is not true...
you can grow anyway you want, and everybody does...You can't always put Stock in the fact that a product didn't show results...How do you know every other aspect of the grow wasn't messed up? that's all I'm saying

but 1st...it is a fact that optimum results are obtained...using reverse osmosis water. When you put water through the RO process...it takes everything out good and bad. So you have to replenish your beneficial elements. OK? We like Calmag+ for this, but now...many other nutrient companies are following suit. That tells you something too.

about the other additives. Everyone believes in adding potash for bloom...well that's big bud. and big bud is a one of a kind product...I have asked every kickass hydro guy I know...and I talk their ears OFF!!! they all say the same thing when I try to find an alternative that is close...the element/mineral values of big bud are not matched by any product on the market. I don't know.

I have seen a great big giant difference in the use of Liquid Karma and Not using Liquid Karma...
Infact...I had to quit using it on my tomato's because the Damn tomato's were growing all over the frickin' place.

best part? It's Organic. the only other additive that I truly think (expensive!!!!!!) makes a vast difference in buddage is VooDoo Juice...but @ 65 bucks a liter...I can do without that...Until I shit a GOLD brick LOL Oh and of course I do keep a little bottle of Superthrive.

hope all is OK, Keep it up. Enjoy

Thanks latewood, I'm starting to get it. LOL. Opie, No problems here, This is just everybody helping each other. And you need budblood for one week into 12/12 then big bud. When you start you have to try some of them or you don't really know. There are at least 12 more add ons to that list. It's just what I have tried. I had some samples of LK and am going to order some. If lw says VooDoo juice is the shit, then I will shit a gold brick and try it. LOL. At least once. it's just 65 bucks. Yes it hard to decide on things but how you going to know if you don't try. I just want the basics too. Remember it's easier to try than to prove it can't be done and it's easier to stay than to turn around and run.

I am not an expert by any means, and I'm sorry if I gave off that stank.

It's just that for me, I spend too much time already on my weed project, and I used to grow in dirt awhile back, so I am still amazed at the results I get from using only Tiger Bloom. I am not the one who said that all additives are a waste of money. I merely was trying to point out that for the same effort and expense there are other ways that would increase the yield much more efficiently than adding at least 12 more add ons, such as increase in light or co2, or even something as simple as ventilation or humidity. I think people tend to get all caught up in the Hydro hype and don't take care of the basics first - the stuff that could really make the most difference. I am not suggesting by any means that you guys are doing that.

I don't think co2 is the cure-all yield buster, and I have done some research into this. That is why I have been putting it off. I have to tear apart my setup and redo the ventilation system. I didn't understand how co2 worked when I first made my grow room, and I didn't bother to find out. I thought I could just add it later if I wanted to, but that's not how it works. You need to plan accordingly in the design stage. The really suckie part is that much of my ventilation is behind the wall. But I digress...

So, teach me oh great ones. If I were to add one additive to my Tiger Bloom, what would you guys vote for. Keep in mind that I have spray jets and cannot have any "chunks" in my nutes. I have seen a lot of brand names flying around this post, could we narrow it down a little? And what percentage would you expect this would increase my yield. I know, too many factors, just guess please.

And Relic, I am still waiting for you to go into more detail.

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Opie, the add ons I speak of are all kinds of nutes. It's so confusing to many of us what works and what doesn't. If your setup works and you get good yeilds then don't mess with it. I wish I could go co2 now but I can't. No money. LOL. I'm lucky to be where I am now. It's all good in the learning to say what works for you. I don't think you need alot just keep it simple. Wish I had co2. Let us know how it does for you. I'm still waiting for big Z's books. No problems here. Let's keep learning.

I will definately update on my co2 when it happens. I was trying to get it going after this harvest, but now I am so out of time I am going to have to wait another 2 months, until next harvest.

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I started visiting this site mainly because ICmag was down, OG is down, etc..

While my post count may be low here, and I obviously haven't proven myself, I do know what I'm doing. I've been around for quite awhile heh. I use the handle ringstostar and relic2279. I was a moderator with IndyK over at reefermans website for awhile on the PIF (vip) forum.
I understand that you are probably the resident big dick around here and I'll respect that.
I've been growing for nearly 6 years now. About a year and a half ago I had a thread over at Overgrow testing a few different popular additives. I had a control, and used clones. Everything was sterile and well documented. Not a single one showed any markable increases in yeild. (Potency was not tested)

Every single one except superbud that is. Which I'm going to go into next.



Bigbud's potash is not needed, at least, for the affect the consumers are buying it for. What Bigbud does is almost stop the stretch during flowering, forcing the plant to focus more of it's energy in creating and increasing budsize and flowers.
Bigbud was recently taken off the market because it did not disclose the regulated plant hormone it contained. That hormone is what people buy Bigbud for. Why charge almost $200 for a bottle? Because it worked.

Going into more detail;

The plant hormone, Abscisic acid inhibits the new shoot growth as well as promotes fruit ripening. Added during flowering is very, very benifical due to the fact that this is when the most stretch occurs. Superbud was the only additive to contain this. Once it was found out, it got taken off shelves. They must go through the proper procedure and registration applications before dutch master is allowed to sell this product again.
Superbud also contained an important, secondary hormone in a miniscule amount.
It's a plant cytokinin (hormone) called Zeatin. This hormone stimulates lateral bud growth and promotes cell division in the buds (flowers) themselves. While somewhat effective, results are mixed with this product because once stretch is inhibited, the plant already is using most of it's energy for bud formation.
And Zeatin is expensive. ($100 for 50mg)

So to make good on my promise. I'm still looking for my exact reciepe (once OG went down, I lost alot) but a solution of P, Abscisic acid and RO water will give you your own Superbud.

Links. To teach yourself a bit more about plant hormones, check out this newbie friendly website. (As layman as I could find for you guys anyway):
http://www.plant-hormones.info/

Now to purchase your own Abscisic acid, check out:
http://www.biosynth.com/index.asp?to...&sc=5&intro=no
or
http://www.abscisicacid.com/

They also sell Zeatin, but be warned. There is sticker shock.
Any questions, feel free to ask away. I have made this solution myself and it works like a charm. Mine is actually a bit stronger then DutchMasters because I added a tad more AA. You can tweak it to your own needs however.

~r

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I obviously haven't proven myself, I do know what I'm doing.
From the moment I first laid eyes on you, there was no doubt that you know what you are doing.

You seem to always agree with me, and visa versa, so you must be right.

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That Liquid Karma being organic, I guess it has some small chunks in it, making it likely to clog up my spray jets. Is that the same with Voodoo Juice? (Good lord I think for the rest of my life I will not be able to say the word "voodoo" with out thinking of Ferris Buhler's Day Off.) And do you recall how much you add per gallon of nutes? That might have a lot to do with my decision to try it. If it's like SuperThrive though, that $65 worth could go a long way. I wouldn't mind paying that if it really makes a difference. At least once to try might not be a bad idea. I got to tell you, Relic's offer is looking very attractive at this point though. Looking forward to that recipe. Sounds like this could be the way to go though, as far as expense vs results. Hmm.. decisions, decisions.

I think I would like to try something, since everyone seems to think that it can make a difference if you use their particular favorite additive. Probably need to experiment. Whatever I decide, love all you guys man. Thanks for all the input, this is great. I didn't start this thread, but it sure has my attention.

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1st off relic...I never said anyone didn't know what they were doing. And, thanks for the new info.

2nd, I think it's great for knowledgable people to join and contribute. sick of kids that don't know shit.

/quote/Bigbuds potash is not needed, at least, for the affect the consumers are buying it for. What Bigbud does is almost stop the stretch during flowering, forcing the plant to focus more of it's energy in creating and increasing budsize and flowers"...relic, that is exactly why I started using it...when was it taken off the shelves? I just bought a jar a month ago.

Like I said. I have controlled environments too. I did see big difference with LK... I only trust ME! I have done 15 grow experiments in the last year and a 1/2. (by the way. I am Mod at alternative MMJ site also.)

I agree with a lot that you say, but still find it to be a matter of opinion. peace lw

welcome and please don't take offense to my attitude. and, don't call me a newb. lw

wat are the advantages of using thrive?
and could somone explain wat stretch is and how those additives affect it?
i have just started my plant on 12/12 and dont wana miss anything that could imporve or prevent somthing negative happening.

i am a newbie to the more technical side of weed cultivation, im on my 4th grow but first hydro. in the past ive only done outdoor with just grow and bloom nuts. still good results tho

so any advice is greatly appreciated.
cheers

Misk, welcome.
When you put your plants in 12/12 to flower they continue to grow 2 to 3 times their size.. The strech is the space between bud sites and you want it as short as you can, more bud less stem. bud blood and big bud are used to keep the strech down. Superthrive is for vegatation , to make a good healthy root system before flowering. Do not use during 12/12.