i do have a fan blowing on them 24/7.

ok guys i see some signs of trouble. The edges of the leaves on some of the girls are curling up and getting pretty dry and scaly looking. I tested the runoff Ph and its 5, so that could be it. The Ph before watering is 6 though which is pretty good. Are there any ways of raising it on the fly if i need to? Or maybe anything else it could be?

Before I read this post I was looking at the most recent pics and I was thinking it could be the soil. I read that it has trace elements of NPK. Does it have time release ferts in it? Supposed to be too harsh for seedlings if so. Also I tried to use that seedling starter sh** in a previous grow and I had nothing but problems with it. I resent that crap. What I've come to really love with seedlings are peat pods that you can get at your local wal-mart or lowes.

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Soil Runoff pH, Flushing to correct lockouts- Why and how to do it!

^^By this logic, your soil would around 4.7... Plus if the soil has ferts in it already, that could burn them up also. I'd go check out to see if your ph tester was calibrated correctly before messing with the ph and possibly introducing a new problem. If it's a color-coded test, then the water has to be clear for the test to be accurate.

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Two Trainwreck's

jorge cervantes says when the edges of the leaves curl up, that it's the plants way trying to keep cool. you might want to check your temps.

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OK guys lets see here...The Ph of the soil i have is 6 (says on the bag) and the water Ph is also 6. The soil i use is supposed to have very little to no nutrients at all, but as it just says "trace NPK" i have no real way of knowing. I'd really like to be able to tell you more but thats really all it says

I'm going to flush the soil and check the runoff Ph when next watering time rolls around. I would do it now but i just watered earlier.

I found a cool setting on my cam that lets me take really nice close-up pics so it'll be easier to show everyone what i'm talking about. In any case they ARE growing, and pretty quick too. Most look ok but the problem ones arent looking to spectacular. And one of them is even starting to smell like sweet maryjane so thats pretty cool.

The temps are in the mid to high 70's at the moment and i'm waiting for my cooltubes to come in the mail, after that the heat wont be an issue anymore. Its not that big of an issue now as it is but when i get that second HPS up its gonna be HOT so i'm gonna jump on the ventilation and heat issue ASAP.

Thanks for all the help guys

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almost forgot. What is the best way to flush the soil so that any nutes that may be there get removed?


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using ph corrected water....

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heh well yeah thats a given, but i mean how much water to use etc...

double your pot size. for example: 1 gallon pot, use 2 gallons of water.

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drying-curing-your-buds
med-strains-specific-uses

Hey everyone, just flushed all the babies. Here's some post-flush pics and a pic of the runoff Ph tests.

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I think your going to need to get some pH-up.

going by those tests, i'd say your pH is closer to 5 than it is 6... you want your pH for soil grows to be about 6.5

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Excelent threads:
CFL, HPS, MH lighting... how much?
What are CFLs and how can I use them for growing?

ok guys quick question again (yes, i know i'm a pain in the ass) Do you think two of these fans, one intake and one exhaust, is enough to keep the temperatures under control? Please check link for fan.


Hydrofarm - Active Air ACFB8 In-Line Booster Fan, 8"

Up to 661 CFM. I would think so. Then again you won't know really until it's there and installed I suppose.

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They don't say the cfm's... Active Air Inline Fans Blowers<--Here they say 661 cfm for a 10"...

Have you and your sponsors read through this yet?Noob's guide to growroom set-up : a work in progress


^^There is a formula for ventilation a few posts down that works pretty well from my experience.

There are a couple different ways you could set up your fan(s). I had my fan pulling through a carbon filter and cooltube, but temps were a bit high. Next time I might buy another similar fan. One would pull air out of the growroom through the carbon filter. The other would be cooling the cooltube by pulling fresh air through duct to the cooltube then through duct to the fan, and out of the growroom. That way no smell leaks, and the air coming to the light will be cooler, and the air in the room will be cooler. Those are just thoughts at the moment.

Anyways, try to go through that link and the formula before you buy...

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Ok guys i've decided to go for two System Air RKV100's for ease of installation and for the fact i can hook it up easily to a carbon filter which i plan on getting in the future. So thats great so they should be coming in the mail soon, keep you updated.

Ok guys heres some more post-flush pics. I dont wanna speak too soon but they appear to be doing better. The drooping from the flushing is gone and the leaves are getting more green. Take a look at the last close-up pics a few posts back and compare it to these, looks better in my opinion The leaves still have some curling around the edges... So i'm guessing the soil i got is shitty, my last grow ended after 2 weeks from the same problem and i'm still having trouble with it even after switching to seedling soil....picky little girls

Anyways, tomorrow i'll be buying Ph + and - to iron out the low Ph of the water i'm using.

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once again the babies are looking like theyre not gonna make it. I'm getting real pissed off about this. I mean, its a weed for christs sake. I've never had so many problems as i'v been having now. The last grow ended from the same problem. I dont know if its the soil or what but it definately looks like nute burn (curling leaves, tips of the leaves turn yellow, small spots form then quickly spread to the new growth and finally death.) I flushed the soil twice and it's no use!!! I at least know its not a pH or temp problem. If this grow doesnt end nicely i'm gonna be fucking furious. I've grown in the past with so much less of the resources i now have at my disposal and it worked out fine.

Here's what i'm gonna do if it doesnt work out...I'm gonna leave it up to all you vets out there to give me a complete list of what i should get to make this work. Lights arent a problem, same with ventilation. The vent fans are already on the way in the mail. So i BEG all you vets out there to tell me your secrets. What soil should i use? It seems that any soil i use have too much nutes in it (even seedling soil) Anything else i should think about? This has happened twice now , i'm pulling out my hair from frustration. I'll be putting up pics soon of the little ones as soon as i get more batteries, i'm really starting to hate my camera

It is your soil dude..Seedlings dont need any nutes the first 3 weeks of their life and I usually let mine go 4. I like to use only soils dedicated to cannabis like PRO-MIX or Sunshine Mix.. These are soils that have nothing and them and are designed for adding your own nutes.

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YEA

I started with bad seed for the same exact reason that your pissed off right now. A lot of your problems could have been avoided if you did a lil more research. It's very obvious that plants at your stage do not need nutes. Sunshine and good ol' water til they start looking more mature (3weeks or so) and they will also have 3 nodes or so. I just put my first grow into flower (12/12)yesterday from bag seed, and as i mentioned this is my first go at it. Im hoping for some good results, as the plant looks nice and healthy right now. I am hoping it's a fem. My next step is to do a final transplant which im a lil nervous about. I hope all goes well. lol. I have not yet decided on which soil to go with. I have use miracle grow the whole grow thus far with good result's. Now it's time to choose another commercial grade soil that i can get at one of the popular stores where everyone shops at. I still haven't got any suggestions yet on which soil i should flower her in. Shall i stick with the MG? Please any suggestions are will be very helpful since im gonna be getting the soil and new pot for the final transplant this weekend. I understand that i should use a medium with high P levels and low N levels, which is vice versa during Veg time.

From what i hear from other posts Miracle Grow isnt all that great, but if its working for you then go for it I've done loads of research on growing and i know they dont need nutes so early, i just overlooked that small detail. Like i said this isnt my first grow and from what i remember it was easy as hell growing this wonderful plant. I just never thought seedling soil would have so many harmful nutes in it, i guess it's just crappy low quality soil In any case i got home today and looked at the little ones and from what i can tell at this point it's just the "old" leaves that are going to die. The new growth appears healthy for the most part, but i know that can change very quickly. They ARE growing, and kind of quick too but we'll see if they can keep it up. The stems are strong and thick which leads me to believe they may be ok (fingers crossed.)

It's almost watering time again so i think i'll be flushing them again, cant hurt at this point.

So here's my questions: Should i clip away the dead (or dying) leaves at the bottom or should i just let them fall off on their own? I've read that if you clip the bottom leaves it focuses production towards the new growth which would be great, but i dont see anyone doing it at this stage in the grow.

And does anyone know any websites that sell this sunshine mix or pro-mix? preferrably UK or European based sites.

Thnx a bunch

Thanks for your kind reply my friend. I understand the MG soil isn't up to the task of experienced growers, which i can't blame them one bit since they have much much more experience at the hobby than i do at the moment lol. So far so good for me. I haven't added any nutes to the soil medium and so far i am on day 5 of 12/12 flower. I wish i had pics to provide as i noticed people are much more helpful when they are present in the posts, which i don't blame folks one bit. Pictures are always worth a thousand words for sure.
To answer your question about the dead leaves at the bottom part of the plant, i personally would just let them be and let mother nature do her thing. Either way I don't think it would matter much if ya plucked a couple. That's no big deal, as i have done it, but just make sure they are completely dead since the plant to my understanding makes use of everything she or he has.
I know this is a little bit off topic but could anyone point me in the right direction, so that i can speak with the all mighty plant goddess, A.K.A. Stinky Attick? From my understanding she lives in my neck of the woods, and so getting information about where i can pick up some top notch grow supplies would be a God send.lol I'm trying to stay away from the slave industries and their commercial products, so if your reading this Ms. Stinky i would be greatly appreciative of that. Cool peeps here, so no worries. Thanks guy's and gal's.

Ok guys its been a while, and forums are finally back up.

Lets see here, what has happened... The little babies kept getting worse so as a last ditch effort i re-potted them with natural soil i found outside. Hopefully it'll keep them clinging to life long enough for the new soil i ordered to get in, it should be here tuesday or wednesday.

I got my ventilation system, i havent yet installed it as i dont have the necessary tools at the moment but temps are fine now and man do these fans pump some air I cant wait to get them running. They pump 250m3/h and i have one intake and one exhaust. At some point in the future i'll be getting a carbon filter set up but the smell isnt an issue yet. Here's the link to the fans i got. 100 in diameter VK Vents extractor

The soil i orders is called "Gold Label Special Mix" and is an all natural organic soil from Holland that i've heard good things about. Here's the link to their homepage. MADE IN HOLLAND

Hopefully the little ones will recover. If not i'll just have to start over....AGAIN. Which would kinda suck to be honest. But if i do, I heard a very easy strain to grow is Northern Lights. Can anyone confirm this or give me any other "beginner" strains to check out.

Hello friends.

Ok so its been 10 days since my last post and i have great news.

After getting the soil i ordered in the mail and transplanting them i almost immediately saw improvement. In the course of 24-36 hours the leaves started turning dark green again and the growing picked up. I LOVE this soil. A few of them are taking longer to recover than others but they're on their way.

So the little ones are going to make it i think Now its just a waiting game to see if any will herm on me, lord knows they've been stressed enough. *fingers crossed*

Hmmmm what else is new? Oh yeah i got my ventilation system up and running. Just in time too, its getting hot here. You can see them in the pics.

I also decided to start my next grow now just in case things fall through with these cuties. I'll be trying "The Church" from Green House Seeds. I started germination today and in a few days they should be ready for the real world. I'll keep you all posted.

Now you may see the pics and think, "Oh thats some mad stretching going on....not good." But its not stretching at all. The lower leaves suffered nute burn and died (they will be missed), hence they look very stretched. I'll be transplanting them soon and when i do i will simply bury them a little deeper than needed to make up for it.

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just a few new pics to show the progress. Where did everyone go?

I transplanted them into the medium sized pots, and buried them deeper in the soil than needed to account for the stretching.


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