Yo' DH,

Two puns like that in the same post, well.......

it's why there's no room in hell. or heaven?

I'm not sure....is it chains, the hair....something irresistable about that...just can't seem to put my finger on it.

You'll never believe it but a coupla ufo's landed here today....from China. Yeah, I have been drinkin', but that doesn't make it less true.

Good humor today, thanks......

as always,
Horsemanlaughs.

I plan to do a lux reading vs. height on my knock-off tomorrow.
An da wife wants to know if she can hang out on your porch too.
One beer will last her all night;

I don’t know WeeZard……you, and the wife……Ok, I’ll call the contractor back and see what it’ll cost…..I’ll let ya’ know. I will be able to spring for the beer though.

It’s quite an adventure gathering all the eclectic stuff to put together a grow room. I went to the big city to spend money…..it turned out that their catalog was bigger than their mouth was.
Still…I’ve always been a builder and the process is quite a lot of fun when you can finally gather the materials to work with.

Can you elaborate on light reading….are they relative, or are there absolute values. What sort of tools, and on, and on, and on.

Hasta el proximo vez,
Horsemanrocks

I've taken delivery of a "shipment" of high-grade psyllium.

I feel light as a feather!



You'll probably want to upgrade from window screen. The old hippy trick was using sections of panty hose stretched over intake ducts.
(Oldmac usta give us his throwaways. ) Course, the tighter you stretch it, the bigger your mesh gets. (Think Mac was trying to get back into a size 4.)

If I were drawing outside air in, I'd talk to a local A/C company, or the Cooperative Extension Service and see what's in your local air that they'd recommend filtering out. Choose a filter accordingly. They're often rated at micron size.

Mold spores, pollen, etc, are pretty dang small. And finer your filter, the more resistance to airflow (at a given price point). So you need to increase the surface area of the intake to accommodate finer filtration.

A 20 x 24" register, with a household (hepa, maybe?) A/C filter might work for you. I saw some monstrous things at Lowe's, I think, that accommodated a big replaceable filter, and tapered down to connect to a 6" duct. Don't remember what they called it, sorry...

Mississippi Steve on this board knows lots about ductsandstuff. Mebbe he can help. I abandoned the idea after calculating how hot and humid the incoming air would be compared to the air I'd be exhausting. I'll keep what I got, thanks...

Stay safe. You really don't wanna pull one of these suckers in... Now he says he wants to hang out on yer porch, too. Brought his own chair. Refuses to produce a vaccination record. Says he's a "fox squirrel." I'm skeptical.

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Thanks Hermie,

A 20 x 24" register, with a household (hepa, maybe?) A/C filter might work for you. I saw some monstrous things at Lowe's, I think, that accommodated a big replaceable filter, and tapered down to connect to a 6" duct. Don't remember what they called it, sorry...

I can envision an A/C on a bias (lots of area....minimal restriction) that could work for me. Unless fatmac has more panty hose....on second thought I'd better stick with the A/C filter.

From time to time it's ok to say no. Tell the "fox squirrel" he's out....what with "da wife" and all.

Horsemantinkers

Met dat wingless Fruit-Bat buggah.
He tol' me dat "before all da hair fell outta his tail, he used to be a cute little squoil"

Yah, right! den he ate my nephew, Dwight.
No invite dat buggah, he got no manners.

Weeze

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"Their perception is their reality" - Irydyum

"Gotta keep in mind that people and pot plants are very much alike, how well and when you finish is based on genetics. - O. M.

My attitude? Deliberate Indifference! -Thanks D.H.

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Wow, talk about friends.

I told you Hermie not to tell were you got those pantyhose.
BTW Horseman, I ain't fat, but if you need some pantyhose let me know.

Hey Weez, I'm getting ready to start a new batch. I'm going to turn off the enhanced "vitamin B" bulbs for this one, should I talk about this in public or keep it between us (and maybe a FEW select others)?

"Hey Weez, I'm getting ready to start a new batch. I'm going to turn off the enhanced "vitamin B" bulbs for this one, should I talk about this in public or keep it between us (and maybe a FEW select others)? "

Aloha O. M.

It's a valid experiment so public is advised.

The more good information we share, the betta fo' everybody, yah?


Share the love.

Weeze

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Plants do things for a reason.....they don't just decide one day to get root rot or act funny..... - Weedhound
"Their perception is their reality" - Irydyum

"Gotta keep in mind that people and pot plants are very much alike, how well and when you finish is based on genetics. - O. M.

My attitude? Deliberate Indifference! -Thanks D.H.

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-pro...anted-one.html

Yo' Weez, bra,

It will be a very valid experiment, only thing I can't do pictures of my personal grow area at all. I'd love to, cause I think you'd get a kick out of the octo-hybred mkII; 420 watts of red Cree's and 320 watts of 2' full spectrum T5 VHO, 740 watts total, not counting power supplies (kicks ass like a 1000 watt HPS or maybe better). BTW, all of it is crammed into a 6" diameter glass tube, so even if the full spectrums put out any UVb, it porbably would not make it thru the boroscilicate glass anyway. In the other partnered grow that you've seen some pictures from, I can not get rid of all UVb, since the TI pro-blooms have some built in it, and I'd hate to stop using it with the HPS since we are trying to "pump up the volume" in quanitity and quality. Plus there is just too much shit happening in that bloom room, like trying to keep temps under control with 2- 1kw hps lights cooking away and another 1000w in hybred light.

BTW the no pics is a religous thing with my housemate, "Tonto". He claims the grow area is "sacred ground" even tho I have pointed out we are growing in a reinforced concrete bunker (old fall-out shelter) using "f"ing rockwool and there is not one once of dirt anywhere, let alone ground. He responce is always the same "sacred ground".

Plus, it is going to be 7 1/2 to 8 1/2 weeks of pretty much watching the grass grow. Guess we'll need a porch to hijack I mean hang out on.

Hey Horsemanrocks...wanna watch some grass grow from your porch?
I'm doing this 'cause you Weezard are the first to put any type of doubt into my mind about its' usefullness, and of course scientific curiosity.

I'll try not to dilute the testosterone too much.

Horseman, I've been watching this thread with interest. Do I understand that you have given up the .5mm China panels in favor of UFO type lights?

Am I correct that your new light config. is 2 UFOs + one 250 HPS? Might I ask which generation of UFO are you using?

This is very close to one of the configurations that I am running (Procyons, small HPSs, and T5s) so I'll be watching your progress.

carry on fellas ...

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If you don't run, you rust. - Tom Petty
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”, a scheme to enslave the able to the unable. - Ayn Rand

Aloha O.M.

I understand the "sacred ground" concept.
All my indoor weed photos are at least 6 months old.
The landlord at my growroom insists on no current snaps.
I'm not thrilled, about that but, his house, his rules.

"I'm doing this 'cause you Weezard are the first to put any type of doubt into my mind about its' usefullness, and of course scientific curiosity."

If, as I surmise, the UVb=THC idea is a stoner myth. I have done you a service, yah?
If your tests add credence, we have done a big favor for all growers.
Sounds worthwhile to me, brah.

Mahalo nui,
Empirical Weeze

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Plants do things for a reason.....they don't just decide one day to get root rot or act funny..... - Weedhound
"Their perception is their reality" - Irydyum

"Gotta keep in mind that people and pot plants are very much alike, how well and when you finish is based on genetics. - O. M.

My attitude? Deliberate Indifference! -Thanks D.H.

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-pro...anted-one.html

Awright, awright....

Just hold it down!

Tryin' to get some sleep here....
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Found a spare bedroom for a little nap. Hope Horseman doesn't mind my "extended family." Bathroom's down the hall.

CB, thanks for the rep. I discovered the next day I also got into the Vienna sausages (which were in the trunk of my car ) and sun-dried tomatoes. Kinda forgot about that part. Lucky it was just "indoor" weed. I mighta really got stoned or sumthin'!

The porch is gettin’ kinda full….the Village people are definitely out!

I feel so “common” somehow

A Sunday, and a little time brings it out somehow.
Welcome crabbyback….I won’t ignore you, this is what I bought

Voltage: 110/220v
Output power: 90w
Measurement: 204*204*H60mm
LED Configuration - 90 x 1 Watt LED, 80 Red + 10 Blue
WaveLength - Red=630nm, Blue=460nm
Cover material: flame retardant PC
Color temperature: 3500-6500K

but the Laker game went into overtime. Yeah, maybe I had a drink….or……? And it’s late.

Spent the weekend buildin’ stuff. Feel a bit like Oldmac in that I’m just biding time until the youngun’s come along. But the learning curve is high….so it’s a lot of fun…and…and….and…I’m in the company of greatness, so how much better can it get?

Hermie….I saw your .jpeg…..that’s gotta be Oldmac in the hose….he say’s he’s not “heavy”…….ok, I’ll play along.

Too hip…gotta go.
Horsemanrocks.

Hey crabbyback,

I actually think we need to dilute the testosterone around these boards sometimes. I'm sure you've seen some of the exchanges on some threads that border on being a verbal street fight. Passions can run very high for some (me included). I'm often amazed some days when I see what I wrote the night before, I can be a cranky old son of a bitch. But as I like to point out...it's one of the few things I'm still good at.

Yo' Horesman,

I did warn you what would happen if we started dropping by, you'd have a crowd on da porch for sure. BTW that's not me in Hermies' pic, not sure who it is, probably one of his close "friends".....not that there's anything wrong with that.

Hello fellow porch dwellers,

Last night I harvested by bloom room, bleached and steam cleaned everything, and put 144 plantlets in the machine to bloom. All in one night and I'm tired today from it, but thought that since it was a full moon I should get them started on 12/12. Since they ain't getting the vitamin B (UVb) thought the full moon start might help them. (I typed that with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek) And it was a "red letter day" in the farmer's almanac besides.

I've been told that I have plenty of testosterone for someone of my gender.

First, horseman, thanks for opening your porch to all comers. I'm usually pretty quiet, unless I get fired up. My other advise, you might want to lay off of the poker chips as I imagine they cause trouble later.

Second, oldmac. I've been wanting to tell you for a while, sir, YOU ROCK! Its all I can do to keep up with my little grow. On nights when everything needs attention, it truly kicks my ass. And you are running two grows? :hangs head in abject failure:

Actually, I try not to post much because I'm an opinionated, class A, bitch with no patience for those who won't read what is right under their nose. But, when cancom went belly up around the first of the year, I lost most of my initial 50 posts. I believe this post might be number 50.

Looking forward to reading Weezard's amusing prose and hearing all the pearls of wisdom you fellas drop.

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If you don't run, you rust. - Tom Petty
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”, a scheme to enslave the able to the unable. - Ayn Rand

Hi crabbyback,
Thanks for the compliment but I feel like I'm dragging a bag of rocks around today. Spent 4 hrs working w/ partner last night planting cuttings and then starting new cuts, etc. After 6 hrs on Sunday night turning around my bloom room I am plum tuckered out. BTW; the only reason I'm involved with the partnered grow is I'm hoping to pass the torch on, as it where to someone else to carry on growing for people in need. The real shame is we where going to build a state of the art set-up, something I always wanted to do, but money problems arose when the contents of my greenhouse was stolen last fall. So now we have a half-assed program going untill things get better. I do need to slow down some very soon, it is taking a toll on me physically and mentally. I actually get some enjoyment from being here, just don't have enough time. Oh well it is what it is. Nice porch Horseman has here, just watch out for the 'zard on the ceiling.....

"Nice porch Horseman has here, just watch out for the 'zard on the ceiling..... "

Humph! Well I never...!
(Odder hand, ya owed me one fo' da "ol' fart" crack.)

How-some-ever, I will have you know that we is not merely yer common, garden variety, 'zards.

We be Mo'os!

And, as such, have taken an oath.
We are sworn to remain continent while overhead.
And to always look up to our elders.

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Only can hang out onna ceiling during trimming season anyway. (Think about it)

You still worried 'bout spilled beer?
Relax brah, dat's alcohol abuse, so no gonna happen.

Still, I sometimes "cry fo' happy", so,
Wear a hat.

Aloha.
Weeze n 'em

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Plants do things for a reason.....they don't just decide one day to get root rot or act funny..... - Weedhound
"Their perception is their reality" - Irydyum

"Gotta keep in mind that people and pot plants are very much alike, how well and when you finish is based on genetics. - O. M.

My attitude? Deliberate Indifference! -Thanks D.H.

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-pro...anted-one.html

This will be a no-brainer….should be easy for the present company.
I’m going without R/O filter as the water analysis is 117ppm. I picked up CalMag as a small supplement. Any advise, comments, direction will be taken as gospel….preach on!

Anybody besides me notice that Bigmac has twice vehemently denied being “large”….just a thought.

I’m a little reluctant to post under the WeeZe ….got no hat.

As always,
Horsemanrocks.

Yeah Horseman,

Well water is fine, and under 150ppm is excellent quaility usually.(As long as it is not run thru a "sofener" system) Consider you probably have some trace minerals already there, and typical wells tend to have some calcium already; but cal/mag is good to use anyway. The only time I don't recomend the use of cal/mag, even with RO water, is if you use Pro-Mix and containers. Pro-Mix contains dolomite lime, whichs gives up calcium and magnesium, so it is already in the mix. (reason glass-house operators use it)

Not sure you should take anything as gospel, even the gospels'.

BTW: when I was younger I was "large", now I'm just flacid.

Darn my feeble brain....almost totally forgot,

Important that you adjust your ph for your set up style and nutrient package you use.

Ahhh, you probably knew that already. Gotta' stop preachin'.

The meter just arrived. The local water is ph 7.2 from the tap and 7.1 after a pass thru the household carbon filter. I don’t think I’ll even bother to filter it as the baddies seem to be minimal…..and (no softener involved.) I’ll gradually reduce ph starting in the morning. My nutrient plan will be “Latewood’s Legacy” Latewood's Legacy: GH 3-part and CalMag tutorial and discussion
I know that I’ll turn out to be a total pest waiting….waiting…..waiting. I’m sure it’ll turn out to be a good thing in the end with more time to study.

Your comments on an idea that I’ve been tossing around, if you will.
Sprout seeds…grow em’….clone em’….sex em’…..grow em’….flower em’. That’s way too much time for an active imagination. I have an idea…..whoda thunk it.
(The buckets have 6” net pots)…..start with clones and instead of vegging in the flower room, pre-veg in 3 or 4” net pots and them simply place the smaller pot into the 6” pot at flower time. Fill in the spaces with Hydroton and Shazam….off and running.
The pre-veg could be ebb & flow or simpler yet just a bubbler…the hardest part might be coming up with the right tray/s. The smaller net pots for pre-veg would fit into available space nicely. Could cut a couple weeks off of turnaround time.


As you’re all painfully aware…I have no experience…..So lay it on me, what’s the fly in the ointment.

traditionally,
Horsemanwaits.

Fly!? Did someone say fly?! Where!
<Tapdancing onna table and licking his perty blue eyes>

I be liking dat double net gum idea!

Weezard

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Plants do things for a reason.....they don't just decide one day to get root rot or act funny..... - Weedhound
"Their perception is their reality" - Irydyum

"Gotta keep in mind that people and pot plants are very much alike, how well and when you finish is based on genetics. - O. M.

My attitude? Deliberate Indifference! -Thanks D.H.

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-pro...anted-one.html

I agree with The Weezard on this.

Well the part about "dat double net gum idea".........

.....not that crazy about the fly.

One more thought about your water. If it is a community well or municipal delivered well water you should keep using the charcoal filter (and keep it updated) to remove any chlorine that may be in it.

The thought I have is: aren't your roots going to be grown thru the small netpots? wouldn't they be bunched up when you move to the bigger netpots? Please correct me if I am wrong

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I was wondering that, too. I'm still a little foggy on how to get a good-sized plant going in a 5 gal. bubble bucket without starting it there in a 5-6" net pot (and wasting space with a small plant in a big bucket until she grows into her house).

I guess if the small net pot has been nested in a small nursery pot, when you transfer to the larger DWC netpot the roots would be contained and you could just let them grow out through the larger netpot as well. (I was originally envisioning trying to "thread" live roots through the holes in a new, larger netpot...)

I'm wondering about pre-cutting / scoring the small netpot so it's a "break-away" operation when you move into the big buckets. Seems like growing through 2 netpots might cause problems, if only from the constraints imposed by the smaller netpot. Or am I not following the procedure correctly?