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Mar-25-2008, 20:06
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well the prcyon has a 7:3 R:B ratio, and based on the information you gave me it sounds like the lightblaze will have a higher blue to red ratio than the procyon, which is going in the opposite direction we are aimed at.
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As of now, we do not feel it is correct to measure the spectrum ratio using lm or mW because these measurements do not take into account the plants sensitivity to each particular wavelength. I have relayed all your information to our engineer in charge of making product changes, and I will see if he has any feedback on your advice. We do appreciate your help.
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ya i doubt they will ever give you one but if they do...awesome!! (i guess just another procyon)
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With all due respect, let me remind you of the following facts:
1. LightBlaze uses a completely different circuit board designed from scratch by a professional engineer.
2. All cooling mechanisms have also been engineered from scratch.
3. The case was completely designed by us, from scratch.
4. Completely unique power supply designed and engineered by us.
5. The ONLY similarities between the LightBlaze and the Procyon are that they both use RED CREE leds (and possibly appearance, but how many other growing lights look similar?)
6. Internal testing shows the LightBlaze outperforms ALL of its current competitors.
In the sake of fairness, please hold off judging our light until you can observe a 3rd party evaluation.
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one message they seem enthusiastic about sending us one, tell me next month...then i get one back saying they have a certain non-cannabis grower getting priority, and IF one becomes available.........but whatever
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Again, we apologize that we cannot immediately provide you with a sample light. We have many tester requests and many other growing communities who would like to test the light. We strive to satisfy as much as the market as possible, but unfortunately this is not always feasible. As stated via email, you have been added to our list and will be contacted when a unit becomes available.
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Mar-25-2008, 20:26
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A I have relayed all your information to our engineer in charge of making product changes, and I will see if he has any feedback on your advice. We do appreciate your help.
He i admits to stealing all of our idea's
With all due respect, let me remind you of the following facts:
1. LightBlaze uses a completely different circuit board designed from scratch by a professional engineer.
Q.prove it
2. All cooling mechanisms have also been engineered from scratch.
Q.prove it
3. The case was completely designed by us, from scratch.
Q.why doe's it look just like the procyon and why do you have
picture's of a plastic model on your website leads me too believe
you have'nt even made a light yet!! prove it
4. Completely unique power supply designed and engineered by us.
Q.prove it
5. The ONLY similarities between the LightBlaze and the Procyon are that they both use RED CREE leds (and possibly appearance, but how many other growing lights look similar?)
Q.what about the exact ratio of 40 to 16 ??
6. Internal testing shows the LightBlaze outperforms ALL of its current competitors.
Q.prove it
In the sake of fairness, please hold off judging our light until you can observe a 3rd party evaluation.
Q. who are these 3rd parties?
Again, we apologize that we cannot immediately provide you with a sample light. We have many tester requests and many other growing communities who would like to test the light. We strive to satisfy as much as the market as possible, but unfortunately this is not always feasible. As stated via email, you have been added to our list and will be contacted when a unit becomes available.
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Answer .Bullshit! show some proof !!
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Mar-25-2008, 20:35
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As of now, we do not feel it is correct to measure the spectrum ratio using lm or mW because these measurements do not take into account the plants sensitivity to each particular wavelength.
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sensitivity? sensitivity does not change as you move along the spectrum, absorption changes. and if your not using lm or mW then what unit are you using? You say you do not have the equipment to measure PAR...so is your product all theoretically producing the light you say it is?
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In the sake of fairness, please hold off judging our light until you can observe a 3rd party evaluation
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like my mama always says "lifes not fair" 
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Im not gonna attack these guys...they actually seem to take us seriously, which is all i was asking. there are people in this room, that in my opinion, have just as much knowledge and experience with growing with LEDs. I AM growing with LEDs...got beautiful resin covered ladies, performing better than HIDs already. So if this light is better, of COURSE i would want it. I am all about technology advancement. Physics IS building his own array with multiple wavelengths. All I am saying, is when we see it growing ganja...then we will see what its about. I will even accept seeing it grow tomatoes, after all...tomatoes are what we based the procyons abilities on  ...we just gave a little more light than called for, and trusted my abilities with the girls
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Mar-25-2008, 20:39
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hmmm.... i know a 3rd party....heh
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Mar-25-2008, 20:52
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ijust really want to know what they are using for determining the ratio 
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Mar-25-2008, 20:59
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ok i see how you mean sensitivity...saw the graph on your site (on the left). matches the absorption graph from high times(right), except the red seems to be shifted to the right a little too much. i wonder if these are supposed to be different or the same?
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they used the specs of the procyon 40 to 16
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Mar-25-2008, 22:21
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Wow, you guys are tough.
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Hi Opie!
Ya know i guess i am being too harsh, but from a outsiders
view it looks too me like SuperLed copied the procyon and that
upset me.. because I can see that the guy at homegrownlights
has worked hard building his business.Also it would've been
very easy for SuperLed to make a competitive or better light
that did'nt look just like the procyon.
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Alright everybody...good news!!!!!
bought my LEDs and sensors and seeds!!!!! got lowryder seeds on their way, a pH sensor, a highly accurate temperature sensor (for the LED panel), a CO2 sensor, a PPF sensor with electronic calibration (could use to change slightly for more accuracy when measuring LEDs.
here are the LEDs i bought:
wavelength--manf------part #------quantity
455-----------2----LXMLPR01-0225--32
465-----------1----897-LZ400b215--2
470-----------2----LXML-PB01-0010-4
505-----------2----LXML-PD01-0040-3
590-----------2----LXML-PL01-0030-3
626-----------2----LXML-PD01-0040-20
635-----------1----897-LZ400r110--4
660-----------1----897-LZ100r205--10
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Hey physicnole did you purchase straight from the companies?
what were the prices?
Also i see you chose some 15watt some 10watt and some 5 watt
i was wondering why?
Also did you order them on the mbpc board or are you making one?
I also like the Ledegin bulbs.Luxeon's are good also. Good picks!
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Mar-26-2008, 08:28
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i didnt pick up on that before...you got 5mm? physics, arent those what are in the china panels? thought you were callin yesterday 
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Mar-26-2008, 10:21
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ok i see how you mean sensitivity...saw the graph on your site (on the left). matches the absorption graph from high times(right), except the red seems to be shifted to the right a little too much. i wonder if these are supposed to be different or the same?
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I think the chart on the left is for generic plants or something. Because ya I noticed that too and I have never seen a HPS light for example w/ red that far down the spectrum lol. I have know doubt the high time chart is the on we want 
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Mar-26-2008, 13:08
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Hey physicnole did you purchase straight from the companies?
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no. i ordered the LedEngin LEDs from Mouser Electronics - Electronic Component Distributor. the luxeon rebels i got from Luxeon LEDs - Luxeon Rebel which i was guessing was the main company  . on the chart mouser is 1 and luxeon rebel is 2.
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what were the prices?
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455nm-(2)LXML-PR01-0225--$3.24----32---$103.68
465nm-(1)897-LZ400B215---$35.65---2----$71.30
470nm-(2)LXML-PB01-0010--$3.60----4----$14.40
505nm-(2)LXML-PE01-0040--$3.60----3----$10.80
590nm-(2)LXML-PL01-0030--$2.67----3----$8.01
626nm-(2)LMXL-PD01-0040--$2.53----20---$50.60
635nm-(1)897-LZ400R110---$24.00---4----$96.00
660nm-(1)897-LZ100R205---$9.90---10----$99.00
-------------------------------------total-$453.79
----------------------------------shipping-$45.00
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Also i see you chose some 15watt some 10watt and some 5 watt i was wondering why?
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well some of the wavelengths were really weak in the 5w range so i wanted to use the 15w ones. and i think the 660nm was only available in 5w (but not for long hopefully ). there is really no difference between them besides their forward voltages that we make sure are all matched.
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Also did you order them on the mbpc board or are you making one?
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i ordered them without the pcb board because i want to attach them to a heat sink or something. im not sure the design yet but im thinking about a big heat sink with 2 to 4 fans cooling it.
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I also like the Ledegin bulbs.Luxeon's are good also. Good picks!
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i didnt pick up on that before...you got 5mm? physics, arent those what are in the china panels?
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i didnt buy 5mm....did i say i did??? if i did i was probably  . no all the LEDs are high power. i think i bought enough LEDs for a couple plants. and i have to wait for an email back for the 645nm from epitex, as they are being distributed through ZDI. i noticed that the 625 and the 635 from mouser were in fact the same color, i must of read the wrong thing  , so i bought a couple extra 626nm from luxeon and a couple 470nm from luxeon also while i wa there
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so next weekend you will have a MUCH better idea what you need ...you know what Nm we are running so.....  i think knoking our heads, and getting real stoned of course...we can come up with some SERIOUS shit...fuck it...lets make the TRUE PERFECT LED grow light....
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Mar-26-2008, 21:32
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sensitivity? sensitivity does not change as you move along the spectrum, absorption changes.
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Within the context we are speaking sensitivity and absorption mean virtually the same thing.
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