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    That's probably an easy question, I'm a California resident, but is a Cali Medical Marijuana Card applicable out of state or in states who have no such laws? Will it get you out of jail for possession in other states?
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    I'm gonna find out if Oregon is going to give me a pass because I was just passing through with my Washington State legal limit. Actually five adults, and nine clones, and about 2 ozs dry medicine, pipe, and dugout. I hope I can at least get my dry and equipment back. Reciprocity is only fair amongst MMJ states.

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    That's probably an easy question, I'm a California resident, but is a Cali Medical Marijuana Card applicable out of state or in states who have no such laws? Will it get you out of jail for possession in other states?

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    If ones travels to Mexico for cheap sex and is found with an underage girl, he will be charge according to the age restrictions in his home state. Therefore, states must have some jurisdiction out of state or way of enforcing their own laws!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NaturalScience View Post
    That's probably an easy question, I'm a California resident, but is a Cali Medical Marijuana Card applicable out of state or in states who have no such laws? Will it get you out of jail for possession in other states?

    Sadly, no!
    There are one or two medical MJ states that will recognize a Ca. card but most will not!
    Non-med states will not!

    Fact: Hawaii will not honor cards from anywhere but Hawaii.

    Google "MMJ laws" for actual facts on other states.

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    229 P.3d 615 (2010)
    234 Or. App. 665
    STATE of Oregon, Plaintiff-Respondent,
    v.
    Joel Dennis BERRINGER, Defendant-Appellant.
    CR0602030; A137186.

    Court of Appeals of Oregon.
    Argued and Submitted September 24, 2009.
    Decided April 14, 2010.

    616*616 Leland R. Berger, Portland, argued the cause and filed the brief for appellant.

    Amanda J. Austin, Assistant Attorney General, argued the cause for respondent. With her on the brief were John R. Kroger, Attorney General, and Erika L. Hadlock, Acting Solicitor General.

    Before LANDAU, Presiding Judge, and SCHUMAN, Judge, and ORTEGA, Judge.

    SCHUMAN, J.

    Defendant appeals his conviction for unlawful possession of marijuana, ORS 475.864, assigning error to the trial court's denial of his motion to suppress and his motion to dismiss. In the motion to suppress, defendant argued that probable cause to arrest 617*617 him dissipated once he showed the arresting Clackamas County deputy a document establishing that defendant, a California resident, was qualified to possess marijuana under California's medical marijuana laws. According to defendant, that document should have informed the arresting officer that the arrest violated two provisions of the United States Constitution: the Full Faith and Credit Clause, which, he argued, requires Oregon to honor the immunity from prosecution that is conferred on him by California law; and the Privileges and Immunities Clause, which prohibits Oregon from enforcing its possession of marijuana laws against him because doing so inhibits his right to travel from state to state. Defendant also made similar arguments in a motion to dismiss, which the trial court also denied. We affirm.

    The following facts are undisputed. Defendant was stopped for speeding in Clackamas County by Deputy Sheriff Nashif. As he neared the automobile, Nashif smelled "unburnt" marijuana and saw a digital scale and marijuana residue inside. In response to Nashif's questions, defendant initially denied possessing any marijuana, but ultimately gave Nashif a paper bag that contained five smaller bags, two of which appeared to Nashif to contain more than one ounce of marijuana. Defendant also presented a document to Nashif entitled "Physician's Statement," in which his doctor, a California licensed physician, recommended that defendant use medical cannabis at the estimated rate of 1.5 ounces per week to treat various health concerns including anxiety due to a "troubled history with father," heavy drinking, headaches, asthma, and bad moods. Under California law, that document, if authentic, apparently allows defendant to possess up to two pounds of marijuana.[1] Nashif arrested defendant and then searched his automobile, finding what a crime lab report subsequently found to be 922.9 grams of marijuana, approximately 26.9 grams more than two pounds.

    Defendant was indicted on one charge of unlawful possession of marijuana, ORS 475.864, one charge of unlawful delivery of marijuana, ORS 475.860, and one charge of unlawful manufacture of marijuana, ORS 475.856. At a pretrial hearing, defendant argued that, upon presenting the California physician's recommendation to Nashif, probable cause for the arrest and search dissipated. He conceded that he was lawfully stopped for speeding, and he raised no argument that the search of his automobile violated Article I, section 9, of the Oregon Constitution or the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution for any reason beyond the asserted fact that it occurred after probable cause had dissipated. In other words, he conceded that, if probable cause did not dissipate, the search was otherwise lawful. Defendant also argued that the recommendation from his California physician was due full faith and credit in Oregon and that failure to honor his California documentation and status as a medical marijuana patient interfered with his constitutional right to travel. The court denied the motion 618*618 to suppress, as well as a motion to dismiss based on the same arguments. Defendant then conditionally pleaded guilty based on stipulated facts, reserving his right to appeal the court's denial of his pretrial motions, ORS 135.335(3), and was subsequently convicted of unlawful possession of marijuana. The other counts were dismissed. This appeal ensued.

    Defendant argues that, once he showed the physician's recommendation to the deputy, "there no longer was probable cause to support the continued investigation," and that, therefore, all evidence discovered thereafter should have been suppressed as the fruit of the unlawfully extended detention. Probable cause requires that an officer's belief that the defendant has committed an offense be objectively reasonable. State v. Miller, 345 Or. 176, 186, 191 P.3d 651 (2008). "A stop that begins lawfully can become unlawful when the reason for the stop has dissipated." State v. Castrejon, 79 Or.App. 514, 520, 719 P.2d 916 (1986) (citation omitted); see also State v. Farley, 308 Or. 91, 775 P.2d 835 (1989).

    In this case, Nashif's authority to investigate the lawfulness of defendant's possession of marijuana did not end when he saw defendant's California physician's recommendation. Probable cause exists when a law enforcement officer reasonably believes that, more likely than not, the suspect has committed an offense. Miller, 345 Or. at 186, 191 P.3d 651. Defendant does not dispute that Nashif observed defendant with what the deputy reasonably believed to be more than an ounce of marijuana. Under Oregon law, Nashif at that point had probable cause to detain defendant. ORS 475.864.[2] Defendant contends, however, that, based entirely on Nashif's observation of a document captioned "Physician's Statement," signed (but not sealed or notarized) by a person who identified himself as a licensed physician in California, Nashif's belief that defendant was not immune from prosecution under Oregon law for possession became immediately unreasonable. We disagree. A person in Nashif's position could reasonably believe that, more likely than not, (1) defendant's unnotarized "physician's statement" was not genuine, (2) a physician's statement was not the California equivalent to an "Oregon Medical Marijuana Act" (OMMA) card, (3) California law does not immunize defendant in Oregon (a belief that, in the present case, we decide is correct), or (4) possession of California medical marijuana documentation made the possessor immune from prosecution, but not immune from arrest—which, in fact, is correct even in California, see People v. Mower, 28 Cal.4th 457, 469, 122 Cal. Rptr.2d 326, 49 P.3d 1067, 1074 (2002) (California Compassionate Use Act (CCUA) is a defense to possession of marijuana prosecution; CCUA "does not grant any immunity from arrest, and certainly no immunity that would require reversal of a conviction because of any alleged failure on the part of law enforcement officers to conduct an adequate investigation prior to arrest").

    Further, the legal arguments underlying defendant's motion to suppress— that the Full Faith and Credit Clause and the Privileges and Immunity Clause preclude his arrest and prosecution—are wrong. Article IV, section 1, of the United States Constitution provides, "Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records and judicial Proceedings of every other State." Defendant argues that this clause requires Oregon to apply the CCUA, a "public act," to California residents when they are in Oregon. According to defendant, Oregon must do so because one state's laws apply in a sister state unless the home state law "conflicts" with the host state's law, and California's medical marijuana law does not conflict with Oregon's medical marijuana law. The state, citing Franchise 619*619 Tax Bd. of Cal. v. Hyatt, 538 U.S. 488, 494, 123 S.Ct. 1683, 155 L.Ed.2d 702 (2003), responds that the clause "does not compel a state to substitute the statutes of other states for its own statutes dealing with a subject matter concerning which it is competent to legislate." We need not decide which interpretation applies in this case, however, because defendant's argument is fundamentally misconceived. Even if defendant could persuade us that the clause means what he says it does, it would avail him nothing. The CCUA by its terms provides nothing more than a defense against the enforcement of certain California marijuana laws:

    "Section 11357, relating to the possession of marijuana, and Section 11358, relating to the cultivation of marijuana, shall not apply to a patient, or to a patient's primary caregiver, who possesses or cultivates marijuana for the personal medical purposes of the patient upon the written or oral recommendation or approval of a physician."

    California Health and Safety Code § 11362.5(d). The CCUA does not (and could not) provide a defense against enforcement of Oregon's marijuana laws in Oregon. Put another way, the Full Faith and Credit Clause requires (at most) that a state give effect to rights established between parties that arise from judgments, agreements, or statutes originating in other states. See Delehant v. Board on Police Standards, 317 Or. 273, 282, 855 P.2d 1088 (1993). The CCUA establishes (again, at most) rights between qualified California residents and the state of California—not the state of Oregon. Thus, in this case, Oregon does give full faith and credit to the CCUA, because Oregon does not (and could not) enforce California's marijuana laws against defendant.

    Finally, defendant argues that, in enforcing Oregon's law against possession of marijuana, the state violated his right to travel from state to state. He relies on cases holding that a state violates that right when it imposes burdens on nonresidents that it does not impose on residents. In the present case, he argues, Oregon provides its own residents with an immunity from some possession of marijuana prosecutions, while withholding that immunity from nonresidents. For the reasons that follow, we reject that argument.

    Although not named in the constitution, a right of interstate travel undoubtedly exists: "[B]y virtue of a person's state citizenship, a citizen of one State who travels in other States, intending to return home at the end of his journey, is entitled to enjoy the `Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States' that he visits." Saenz v. Roe, 526 U.S. 489, 501, 119 S.Ct. 1518, 143 L.Ed.2d 689 (1999) (quoting U.S. Const., Art IV, § 2). The source of this right in the constitution has never been identified definitively. Saenz locates it in the Privileges and Immunities Clause of Article IV, section 2, as do several other cases. E.g., Toomer v. Witsell, 334 U.S. 385, 395, 68 S.Ct. 1156, 92 L.Ed. 1460 (1948); Hague v. C.I.O., 307 U.S. 496, 511, 59 S.Ct. 954, 83 L.Ed. 1423 (1939). Other cases rely on the Equal Protection Clause under the theory that the right to travel from state to state is so fundamental that a state cannot enact statutes that discriminate between state residents and nonresidents and thereby discourage the influx of the latter. E.g., Memorial Hospital v. Maricopa County, 415 U.S. 250, 251, 94 S.Ct. 1076, 39 L.Ed.2d 306 (1974). Yet other cases candidly acknowledge that there is no need "to ascribe the source of this right to travel interstate to a particular constitutional provision." Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 U.S. 618, 630, 89 S.Ct. 1322, 22 L.Ed.2d 600 (1969), overruled on other grounds by Edelman v. Jordan, 415 U.S. 651, 671, 94 S.Ct. 1347, 39 L.Ed.2d 662 (1974).

    In some respects, the contours of the right of interstate travel are as vague as its source. For example, a state statute that taxes nonresident commercial fishermen for the right to fish in the state's waters at a rate that is significantly greater than the rate imposed on residents is unconstitutional, Toomer, 334 U.S. at 403, 68 S.Ct. 1156, but a state statute that charges nonresidents more than residents for a recreational hunting license is not, Baldwin v. Montana Fish and Game Comm'n, 436 U.S. 371, 391, 98 S.Ct. 1852, 56 L.Ed.2d 354 (1978). It is clear, 620*620 however, that access to medical treatment is among the interstate traveler's protected rights. Saenz, 526 U.S. at 502, 119 S.Ct. 1518 (constitution provides "important protections for nonresidents who enter a State * * * to procure medical services"); Memorial Hospital, 415 U.S. at 269, 94 S.Ct. 1076 (invalidating one-year durational residence requirement for access to publicly funded nonemergency hospitalization and medical care); Doe v. Bolton, 410 U.S. 179, 200, 93 S.Ct. 739, 35 L.Ed.2d 201 (1973) (invalidating residence requirement to obtain abortion).

    Unlike the residence requirements struck down in Memorial Hospital, Doe, and Shapiro (durational residence requirement to receive welfare), the OMMA does not impose any requirement on nonresident applicants that it does not also impose on Oregon residents. It is true that the "findings" section of the OMMA refers to "Oregonians" with debilitating medical conditions and states that they "should be allowed to use small amounts of marijuana without fear of civil or criminal penalties," ORS 475.300(2), and "discuss freely with their doctors the possible risks and benefits of medical marijuana," ORS 475.300(3). Those provisions are merely hortatory. The operational provisions of the OMMA and its implementing regulations apply with equal rigor to residents and nonresidents. Residents and nonresidents alike must either possess or have applied for an OMMA registration card. ORS 475.309(1)(a). Both must have documentation from the attending physician, attesting that the person has "a debilitating medical condition and that the medical use of marijuana may mitigate the symptoms or effects" of the condition. ORS 475.309(2). Both must pay the same registration fee. Id.

    There are only two respects in which the OMMA could be considered to impose a barrier to nonresidents. The first is that the attending physician must be "licensed under ORS chapter 677." However, that chapter has reciprocity provisions allowing nonresident physicians to obtain Oregon licenses. ORS 677.120; ORS 677.125. Further, an "attending physician" is one who has "primary responsibility" for the care of the applicant, ORS 475.302(1), including an Oregon-licensed physician who "[p]rovides medical specialty care and treatment to the patient," OAR XXX-XXX-XXXX(18)(b). Thus, a nonresident applicant need not establish a long-term relationship with an Oregon physician. In any event, we have found no authority for the proposition that the difficulty a nonresident might encounter in finding an Oregon attending physician could be considered an impediment of constitutional magnitude.

    Second, an applicant for an OMMA registration card must provide identification. OAR XXX-XXX-XXXX(1) provides:

    "A person may apply for a registry identification card * * *. In order for an application to be considered complete, an applicant must submit the following:

    "* * * * *

    "(b) Copies of legible photographic identification * * *. The following are acceptable forms of identification:

    "(A) Oregon Driver's License;

    "(B) Oregon Identification Card with photo;

    "(C) Voter Registration Card with photo[.]"

    Thus, if the list of documents in OAR XXX-XXX-XXXX(1)(b) is exhaustive—that is, if the documents in (A), (B), and (C) are the only acceptable photographic identification documents—then it is easier for an Oregon resident to submit a complete application than for a nonresident, because the resident has three options while the nonresident has only one, and even then, only if he or she lives in a state that has a voter registration card with photo. However, nothing in the text of OAR XXX-XXX-XXXX(1)(b) establishes that the list is exhaustive. The language is ambiguous, and, in order to avoid even the possibility of constitutional infirmity, State v. Rodriguez, 217 Or.App. 24, 34, 175 P.3d 471 (2007), we interpret the list as nonexhaustive, that is, as a list of documents that are conclusively acceptable but not as a complete list of all photo identification cards that can be acceptable.

    Further, even if Oregon law made access to medical marijuana more difficult for nonresidents, that would not violate defendant's right to travel. As the Supreme Court has explained:

    621*621 "Some distinctions between residents and nonresidents merely reflect the fact that this is a Nation composed of individual States, and are permitted; other distinctions are prohibited because they hinder the formation, the purpose, or the development of a single Union of those States. Only with respect to those `privileges' and `immunities' bearing upon the vitality of the Nation as a single entity must the State treat all citizens, resident and nonresident, equally."

    Baldwin, 436 U.S. at 383, 98 S.Ct. 1852. Although access to publicly funded medical care, Memorial Hospital, and abortion services, Doe, have been held to fall into the latter category, we conclude that access to a particular form of treatment—in this case, access to a particular drug—is not a privilege "bearing upon the vitality of the Nation as a single entity." Defendant's motion to dismiss relies on the same faulty constitutional arguments as his motion to suppress. Even if that motion were cognizable, it would fail for the same reasons that the motion to suppress failed.[3]

    Affirmed.

    [1] California Health and Safety Code, section 11362.77, of the California Compassionate Use Act, provides:

    "(a) A qualified patient or primary caregiver may possess no more than eight ounces of dried marijuana per qualified patient.

    "* * * * *

    "(c) Counties and cities may retain or enact medical marijuana guidelines allowing qualified patients or primary caregivers to exceed the state limits set forth in subdivision (a)."

    Nevada County, in turn, provides the following guidelines concerning the amount of marijuana that a qualified patient may possess:

    "Based upon verification of a valid oral or written recommendation and absent evidence of sales or possession for sale, a person with such a recommendation from a physician shall be allowed to possess up to two pounds of dried marijuana per qualified patient consistent with that patient's recommendation.

    "* * * * *

    "A qualified patient or primary caregiver may possess an amount greater than listed if the amount is reasonably related to, and consistent with, the patient's documented recommendation."

    Nevada County, Cal, Medical Marijuana Inter-Agency Protocol (June 2007), 3-4 (boldface in original). Defendant, a Nevada County resident, argues that, because his physician's recommendation allowed him to use medical marijuana at the rate of 1.5 ounces per week and 4.9 pounds per year, he was entitled, under California law and as a Nevada County resident, to possess, in Oregon, more than the two pounds of marijuana seized from his vehicle.

    [2] ORS 475.864 provides, in part:

    "(1) It is unlawful for any person knowingly or intentionally to possess marijuana.

    "(2) Unlawful possession of marijuana is a Class B felony.

    "(3) Notwithstanding subsection (2) of this section, unlawful possession of marijuana is a violation if the amount possessed is less than one avoirdupois ounce of the dried leaves, stems and flowers of the plant Cannabis family Moracceae. A violation under this subsection is punishable by a fine of not less than $500 and not more than $1,000."

    [3] Neighboring states, with their own medical marijuana laws, have recently reached similar conclusions. State v. Adler, 108 Hawai`i 169, 176, 118 P.3d 652, 659 (2005); State v. Tracy, 158 Wash.2d 683, 147 P.3d 559 (2006); State v. Barber, 141 Wash.App. 1039, 2007 WL 4125229 (Wash App.Div. 3, Nov 20, 2007). Also, some states have medical marijuana laws that specifically extend protections to patients who obtain registry identification cards or other functionally equivalent authority from their resident states. E.g., Mont. Code Ann. § 50-46-201(8); R.I. Gen. Laws § 21-28.6-4(k).

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    I would hope that different states that have medical laws that are contiguous would give temporary relief when there is clear evidence that the medicine was actually medical, and wasn't going to stay or be used in the state, but full intent was to reenter the state that the authorization was valid in. What's considered legal medicine in one should be just as valid in the other. That's just common sense and courtesy. Especially with no intent to commit a crime.

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    Sadly, no!
    There are one or two medical MJ states that will recognize a Ca. card but most will not!
    Non-med states will not!

    Fact: Hawaii will not honor cards from anywhere but Hawaii.

    Google "MMJ laws" for actual facts on other states.

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    Smile Hope is a good thing.

    And I'm a big fan of common sense and courtesy.
    But, we're talking about the crystallized prejudices that make up our Pot laws.
    Washington, Oregon, and California honor, legitimate medical recommendations for their citizens only!

    There is no protection from arrest, or prosecution with any other states card.

    As of yet! (Folks are working on that).

    Montana, and I think Rhode Island are on-board with reciprocity but my memory sucks, so do look it up.

    For the hope part.
    They will probably knock it down to simple possession because you have a valid rec. from another state, even though it offers no real legal protection.
    I wish you the best of luck, and plenty of hope.
    But I advise you, to study-up and get a lawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypski View Post
    I would hope that different states that have medical laws that are contiguous would give temporary relief when there is clear evidence that the medicine was actually medical, and wasn't going to stay or be used in the state, but full intent was to reenter the state that the authorization was valid in. What's considered legal medicine in one should be just as valid in the other. That's just common sense and courtesy. Especially with no intent to commit a crime.

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    Well any legal help I'd get would have to be pro bono, I'm broke. Or I plead guilty because I can't afford the payola to play like some getting off violating torture treaties!!! I'm a little guy whose disabled and easy pickin's. what I can't understand is why I wasn't stopped in Washington before I could even get into Oregon? that doesn't add up, its like someone letting me commit an offense when if I was stopped in Washington,...............

    Quote Originally Posted by Weezard View Post
    And I'm a big fan of common sense and courtesy.
    But, we're talking about the crystallized prejudices that make up our Pot laws.
    Washington, Oregon, and California honor, legitimate medical recommendations for their citizens only!

    There is no protection from arrest, or prosecution with any other states card.

    As of yet! (Folks are working on that).

    Montana, and I think Rhode Island are on-board with reciprocity but my memory sucks, so do look it up.

    For the hope part.
    They will probably knock it down to simple possession because you have a valid rec. from another state, even though it offers no real legal protection.
    I wish you the best of luck, and plenty of hope.
    But I advise you, to study-up and get a lawyer.

    Aloha Brah,

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    Rhode Island Is The Safe Harbor For Medical Patients.

    Rhode island and CA are the only 2 states that accept and any other states medical cards.Only catch is out of state card holders CANNOT use our dispensaries.If i remember right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weezard View Post
    And I'm a big fan of common sense and courtesy.
    But, we're talking about the crystallized prejudices that make up our Pot laws.
    Washington, Oregon, and California honor, legitimate medical recommendations for their citizens only!

    There is no protection from arrest, or prosecution with any other states card.

    As of yet! (Folks are working on that).

    Montana, and I think Rhode Island are on-board with reciprocity but my memory sucks, so do look it up.

    For the hope part.
    They will probably knock it down to simple possession because you have a valid rec. from another state, even though it offers no real legal protection.
    I wish you the best of luck, and plenty of hope.
    But I advise you, to study-up and get a lawyer.

    Aloha Brah,

    Weeze
    Thank you Weeze.

    And old saying comes to mind..you can lead a horse to water but, you can never make them drink it.

    As you can see above, I posted the 100% relevant precedent case for Oregon...which isn't the 1st time it was discussed... as one of my sons went to cali. and got pulled over with his friend..they had a pound and a half in the car.

    The above case is being used by the county prosecutor because they both have Oregon cards...and the claim is non-residency of cali...Interesting thing though..cali. lingo is just hortatory in reference to residency.

    Studying up surely pays off. Cause we all know, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

    Also, if one has any priors for cannabis...they don't give you a possession charge for having manufactured plants in one's possession..you get the full monte. Especially in Oregon... one is expected to register regardless of time in that state..
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    Full Basket.

    see People v. Mower, 28 Cal.4th 457, 469, 122 Cal. Rptr.2d 326, 49 P.3d 1067, 1074 (2002) (California Compassionate Use Act (CCUA) is a defense to possession of marijuana prosecution; CCUA "does not grant any immunity from arrest, and certainly no immunity that would require reversal of a conviction because of any alleged failure on the part of law enforcement officers to conduct an adequate investigation prior to arrest").


    And they all hatched just fine..

    "Some distinctions between residents and nonresidents merely reflect the fact that this is a Nation composed of individual States, and are permitted; other distinctions are prohibited because they hinder the formation, the purpose, or the development of a single Union of those States. Only with respect to those `privileges' and `immunities' bearing upon the vitality of the Nation as a single entity must the State treat all citizens, resident and nonresident, equally."
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    Great thread
    I have a lot a patients ask that exact question and have a hard time understanding why. I also believe the education for MMJ users is not what it should be. Learn the laws! The future of medical cannabis is in our hands.

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    If I'm a heart patient with heart medicine by a California doctor, and yet I've packed more pills into one container for my limited travel, as well as for its life saving convenience, no public court of opinion will convict me for being overly cautious about my health. If one has significant documentation that should be enough to travel anywhere without being detained or acted upon with any degree of prejudice.

    The court of public opinion:
    U.S. eases stance on medical marijuana
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    Quote Originally Posted by NaturalScience View Post
    If I'm a heart patient with heart medicine by a California doctor, and yet I've packed more pills into one container for my limited travel, as well as for its life saving convenience, no public court of opinion will convict me for being overly cautious about my health. If one has significant documentation that should be enough to travel anywhere without being detained or acted upon with any degree of prejudice.

    The court of public opinion:
    U.S. eases stance on medical marijuana
    The court of public opinion applies in the public, not the courts... public opinion is political arena domain only... not the courts..

    Many court cases have dealt with this on more than one occasion.

    PUBLIC OPINION IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER..their arena. not the courts.

    Easing the stance means exactly that... laws so you can claim an AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE TO CRIMINAL CHARGES..mostly for a non-mens rea law.. meaning no intent is to be accounted for.. you possess the cannabis, you are automatically guilty of the charged criminal offense. NO EXCEPTION ALLOWED.. JUST LIKE IN FEDERAL COURT.. NO MEDICAL NECESSITY DEFENSE.

    So educating one's self in the PROPER way of the laws.. and not the laws of public opinion or the laws of man's own mind *uck would behoove one greatly..

    Thinking anything else just makes it worse on one's mind...

    I have posted a FREE LAW LIBRARY SO ONE CAN EDUCATE THEMSELVES.. anything less is just an injustice... because ignorance of the law is no excuse...and any lawyer will tell you the same thing... maybe not so bluntly but, the same message will be conveyed.

    We as a society must ban together and work this out.. we know they are not going to assist in taking food off the table of the officers of the court..but, just the opposite.

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    DANIEL JOSEPH BURNS, Appellant (Defendant), v. THE STATE OF WYOMING, Appellee (Plaintiff).

    S-10-0053

    SUPREME COURT OF WYOMING

    2011 WY 5; 2011 Wyo. LEXIS 6


    January 19, 2011, Decided

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    CASE SUMMARY

    PROCEDURAL POSTURE: Defendant entered a guilty plea of felony possession of a controlled substance, namely marijuana in the District Court of Laramie County, Wisconsin, but reserved the right to challenge the district court's in limine ruling that prohibited him from presenting at trial any evidence and defense theories to the effect that he lawfully obtained the marijuana pursuant to a valid prescription of a practitioner in Colorado.

    OVERVIEW: On review, the court held that Wyo. Stat. Ann. § 35-7-1031(c)
    (2009) did not exempt a defendant from criminal liability even if defendant obtained a legitimate medical marijuana exception under Colorado law. Because Colorado law did not allow a physician to prescribe or order marijuana possession, a Colorado registry card for the use of medical marijuana was irrelevant to criminal proceedings in Wyoming for a violation of Wyo. Stat. Ann. § 35-7-1031. As such, the district court did not err in denying defendant's motion in limine in which he sought to present the defense theory that he lawfully obtained the marijuana pursuant to a valid prescription issued by his treating physician.

    OUTCOME: The district court's in limine ruling was affirmed.

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    This is the ALDER case Weeze had mentioned.

    1. "pursuant to a lawful prescription"

    Adler claims on appeal that a "licensed California doctor pursuant to California law prescribed Reverend Adler cannabis. Furthermore, a licensed Hawai i doctor also prescribed Rev. Adler Cannabis [sic]." Adler, however, is barred from raising this argument by the doctrine of judicial estoppel.

    Pursuant to the doctrine of judicial estoppel,

    [a] party will not be permitted to maintain inconsistent positions or to take a position in regard to a matter which is directly contrary to, or inconsistent with, one previously assumed by him, at least where he had, or was chargeable with, full knowledge of the facts, and another will be prejudiced by his action.

    Judicial estoppel "'partakes . . . of positive rules of procedure based on manifest justice and, to a greater or lesser degree, on considerations of the orderliness, regularity, and expedition of litigation.'" This doctrine prevents parties from "playing 'fast and loose' with the court or blowing 'hot and cold' during the course of litigation."

    Roxas v. Marcos, 89 Haw. 91,124, 969 P.2d 1209, 1242 (1998) (citations omitted), reconsideration denied, 1999 Haw.(1999).

    During the hearing on Adler's motion to dismiss, he conceded that, because "marijuana is a Schedule I drug that cannot be prescribed, there can be no prescription of marijuana. Technically that cannot happen." He explained, "That's why we used the word 'recommendation' in California, Your Honor. As I mentioned, you cannot prescribe a Schedule I substance. So what the laws have done is make it under a doctor's recommendation, then it shall be a defense, and you're allowed lawfully to possess it." Both the trial court and the prosecution were entitled to rely on the defense's concession that he could not have legal prescription of marijuana. Thus, for this court to examine whether Alder possessed the marijuana pursuant to a lawful prescription would prejudice the trial court and the prosecution because neither addressed this argument during the hearing on Adler's motion to dismiss. Accordingly, we hold that Adler is judicially estopped from raising this argument on appeal.

    2. "otherwise authorized by law"

    Adler contends that he was "otherwise authorized by law" to possess marijuana under HRS § 712-1240.1. Adler argues that, based on the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the United States Constitution, the trial court was obligated to recognize his authority to possess marijuana under California Health and Safety Code § 11362.5 (1996) [hereinafter Section 11362.5].

    Section 11362.5 provides:

    (a) This section shall be known and may be cited as the Compassionate Use Act of 1996.

    (b)(1) The people of the State of California hereby find and declare that the purposes of the Compassionate Use Act of 1996 are as follows:

    (A) To ensure that seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes where that medical use is deemed appropriate and has been recommended by a physician who has determined that the person's health would benefit from the use of marijuana in the treatment of cancer, anorexia, AIDS, chronic pain, spasticity, glaucoma, arthritis, migraine, or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief.

    (B) To ensure that patients and their primary caregivers who obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes upon the recommendation of a physician are not subject to criminal prosecution or sanction.

    (C) To encourage the federal and state governments to implement a plan to provide for the safe and affordable distribution of marijuana to all patients in medical need of marijuana.

    (2) Nothing in this section shall be construed to supersede legislation prohibiting persons from engaging in conduct that endangers others, nor to condone the diversion of marijuana for nonmedical purposes.

    (c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no physician in this state shall be punished, or denied any right or privilege, for having recommended marijuana to a patient for medical purposes.

    (d) Section 11357, relating to the possession of marijuana, and Section 11358, relating to the cultivation of marijuana, shall not apply to a patient, or to a patient's primary caregiver, who possess or cultivates marijuana for the personal medical purposes of the patient upon the written or oral recommendation or approval of a physician .

    (e) For the purposes of this section, "primary caregiver" means the individual designated by the person exempted under this section who has consistently assumed responsibility for the housing, health, or safety of that person.

    (Emphases added.) In interpreting Section 11362.5, the Supreme Court of California has held that a grant of limited immunity from prosecution also must properly be found in section 11362.5(d), which provides that sections 11357 and 11358 "shall not apply to" qualified patients and primary caregivers
    (§ 11362.5(d)), particularly in view of its purpose of prohibiting "criminal prosecution [and] sanction" of such qualified patients and primary caregivers for such crimes (§ 11362.5., subd. (b)(1)(B)).

    People v. Mower, 28 Cal. 4th 457, 122 Cal. Rptr. 2d 326, 49 P.3d 1067, 1076 (Cal. 2002) (quotations marks and brackets in original). Both the plain language of the statute and its interpretation by the Supreme Court of California indicate that Section 11362.5 does not grant persons a right to possess marijuana. Rather, the California law grants certain qualified persons immunity from prosecution under California Health and Safety Code §§ 11357 or 11358.

    In the instant case, Adler was not prosecuted under the California Health and Safety Code, and nothing in Section 11362.5 prohibits prosecution under applicable Hawai i law. Thus, Section 11362.5 did not authorize Adler to possess or cultivate fifty or more marijuana plants in violation of HRS § 712-1249.5. Therefore, the trial court did not err in concluding that (1) HRS § 712-1240.1 was inapplicable in the instant case and (2) the documents submitted in support of Adler's motion to dismiss were not clearly exculpatory. Accordingly, we hold that the trial court did not err in denying Adler's motion to dismiss.

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    Under Arizona Prop 203 Arizona has reciprocity with other medical cannabis states and will recognize the recommendations of out-of-state visitors visiting Arizona. Said visitors cannot however purchase their meds from Arizona dispensaries which will apparently soon be available to Arizona residents.

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    Right, I lived in Colorado and Wyoming. Don't take certain states for granite! Arizona, that's good to know. Washington may pass soon. If anything a directory listing each state's laws [relaxed or not] would be a nice travel tool to any card holder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leadmagnet View Post
    Under Arizona Prop 203 Arizona has reciprocity with other medical cannabis states and will recognize the recommendations of out-of-state visitors visiting Arizona. Said visitors cannot however purchase their meds from Arizona dispensaries which will apparently soon be available to Arizona residents.
    Do you have the law which verifies this ?? to post here that is...I CAN'T FIND IT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamessr View Post
    Do you have the law which verifies this ?? to post here that is...I CAN'T FIND IT.
    Go to a link of 203 in pdf and search key word reciprocity.

    Edit: Here ya go...

    http://www.ade.state.az.us/oelas/proposition203.pdf

    The little set of binoculars is the search icon.
    Last edited by leadmagnet; Feb-12-2011 at 03:11.

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    Question Wait, what?!

    Quote Originally Posted by leadmagnet View Post
    Go to a link of 203 in pdf and search key word reciprocity.

    Edit: Here ya go...

    http://www.ade.state.az.us/oelas/proposition203.pdf

    The little set of binoculars is the search icon.
    That was confusing.
    Will you have to speak english to posses a card, or just to attend school?

    Try clickin' dat link L.M.
    "Missed it by dat much" -Maxwell Smart

    Aloha,
    Weeze

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    as far as i know, the only state to acknowledge michigan's MMMP card is Montana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leadmagnet View Post
    Go to a link of 203 in pdf and search key word reciprocity.

    Edit: Here ya go...

    http://www.ade.state.az.us/oelas/proposition203.pdf

    The little set of binoculars is the search icon.
    we the people find---has not found good response in the courts and this lingo is in question to be using... just a legal thought.

    I realize this is the only lingo we the people can use...but, I found that if some extra lingo is used, example:

    We the people acting in our legislative body duty form of government pursuant to art_ section_of the arizona constitution hereby find....

    This is the most important lingo which hooks the people acting as the LEGISLATURE...and not just society's uneducated OPINION ...as the courts have said many a time.

    Just a thought from all the state courts opinions combined...

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