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    Holding a Hit - Make You Higher?

    I was listening to a recent NORML podcast and they were saying that your lungs absorbe all the THC in smoke instantly and that holding a hit does nothing but hurt your lungs. Is this true? I tried only holding a hit for a second then exhale the last few times I've smoked and it seemed to give me a cleaner buzz, not any less or more of a buzz. I didn't cough, or choke while smoking either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matthiasj View Post
    and it seemed to give me a cleaner buzz, not any less or more of a buzz.
    That was exactly my experience when I held it in for a few seconds vrs. holding it till you yack. Smarter thing to do if you ask me.

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    Yeah,same here,I dont really hold it either,I remember watching a Documentary on Bob Marley,and it looked like he wasnt holding in his hits too,it looked almost like he was taking deep hits of a fat cigarette.
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    i usually take a hit, breath clean air in for a sec then blow it out, i get such a better high doing this than holding.

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    I heard it takes 5 seconds for the thc to be full absorbed.

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    The "high" you feel after holding it in as long as you can, is probably just a lack of oxygen.

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    I've taken hits before, held it in for about 40 seconds and blown out absolutely nothing
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    A natural breath is all it takes. Holding hits does nothing.

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    what about pumping your lungs?.......would that do anything...?
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    i'll try to find the article.. they studied this and proved that holding a hit in for a long time is the biggest factor as far as getting the most out of it. holding it in longer until you have to cough will always have the strongest effect.. i'll look for the article and post it if i find it.
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    what ive heard is that holding ur hit in longer doesnt do anything more
    you just feel more high because ur not getting any oxygen to ur brain so u get light headed from oxygen deprivation.
    i agree with the fact that it only takes a second to absorb the thc

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    Ya I used to always hold my hits for 30 seconds until no smoke came out. It made it alot stronger high (and made me feel bad ass) but I found out the larger high you get from doing that is just because the lack of oxygen kills your brain cells. So now I just buy more dope....Problem Solved!

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    I always heard that if you hold it in longer it makes you higher but this sounds interesting.

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    Do even the least bit of reading about lung physiology and function, and you'll see that the gas exchange and/or absorption of anything you breathe in occurs instantly. It literally occurs with the initial expansion of those little alveoli, the tiny air sacs where the chemical exchange occurs. Holding a hit doesn't do anything to make you higher, just like holding a breath doesn't do anything to make you absorb more oxygen from the air you breathe. In fact, holding a breath or hit likely hinders further absorption because it postpones the exhalation of the carbon dioxide and, in the case of cannabis smoke, other smoky by-products, which completes the emptying of the lungs and gets them ready to take another breath/drag.

    If anyone can find anything saying otherwise, it'll be written by someone who knows nothing about the physiology of inspiration/expiration and will be completely bogus. The chemical intake occurs immediately. Holding hits just gives your lungs longer contact with the bad stuff, not the good.

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    i only hold in hits for a few seconds, take a deep hit, and then inhale a little bit to get all the smoke down in my lugs, hold for a second, and then exhale. i get just as high doing that, then if i hold my breath for 30 seconds. just when i hold me breath longer, i get a headache
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    Quote Originally Posted by birdgirl73 View Post
    Do even the least bit of reading about lung physiology and function, and you'll see that the gas exchange and/or absorption of anything you breathe in occurs instantly. It literally occurs with the initial expansion of those little alveoli, the tiny air sacs where the chemical exchange occurs. Holding a hit doesn't do anything to make you higher, just like holding a breath doesn't do anything to make you absorb more oxygen from the air you breathe. In fact, holding a breath or hit likely hinders further absorption because it postpones the exhalation of the carbon dioxide and, in the case of cannabis smoke, other smoky by-products, which completes the emptying of the lungs and gets them ready to take another breath/drag.

    If anyone can find anything saying otherwise, it'll be written by someone who knows nothing about the physiology of inspiration/expiration and will be completely bogus. The chemical intake occurs immediately. Holding hits just gives your lungs longer contact with the bad stuff, not the good.

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    Do even the least bit of reading about lung physiology and function, and you'll see that the gas exchange and/or absorption of anything you breathe in occurs instantly. It literally occurs with the initial expansion of those little alveoli, the tiny air sacs where the chemical exchange occurs. Holding a hit doesn't do anything to make you higher, just like holding a breath doesn't do anything to make you absorb more oxygen from the air you breathe. In fact, holding a breath or hit likely hinders further absorption because it postpones the exhalation of the carbon dioxide and, in the case of cannabis smoke, other smoky by-products, which completes the emptying of the lungs and gets them ready to take another breath/drag.

    If anyone can find anything saying otherwise, it'll be written by someone who knows nothing about the physiology of inspiration/expiration and will be completely bogus. The chemical intake occurs immediately. Holding hits just gives your lungs longer contact with the bad stuff, not the good.
    The problem with this website is that people claim to "know" about things. Are you a doctor specialized in lungs? if no and even if you are what the heck do you know? "Gives your longs longer contact with the bad stuff, not the good?" seriously how can you say this with a straight face

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgb420 View Post
    i'll try to find the article.. they studied this and proved that holding a hit in for a long time is the biggest factor as far as getting the most out of it. holding it in longer until you have to cough will always have the strongest effect.. i'll look for the article and post it if i find it.
    Well the idiots who wrote that article havnt got a clue what they're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prairieplantsystems View Post
    The problem with this website is that people claim to "know" about things. Are you a doctor specialized in lungs? if no and even if you are what the heck do you know? "Gives your longs longer contact with the bad stuff, not the good?" seriously how can you say this with a straight face
    Wow.... so do you think its better to keep harmful smoke in your "longs" as opposed to fresh air? Is that what you're trying to say?

    And as for "even if you are a doctor specialised in lungs, what do you know"......thats laughable. For some, ignorance truly is bliss. I think its pretty obvious that you have no thoughts on the subject so you decided to just chat shit for attention. You may as well have stuck a flag on your arse saying "Look at me everybody!". Minus rep for you mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prairieplantsystems View Post
    The problem with this website is that people claim to "know" about things. Are you a doctor specialized in lungs? if no and even if you are what the heck do you know? "Gives your longs longer contact with the bad stuff, not the good?" seriously how can you say this with a straight face
    I'm a medical student who's just gotten through studying lung physiology and function in great depth. I'm also a cardio-pulmonary patient, so I have had years of teaching and information from my own doctors, along with my husband, who's a cardio-pulmonary physician, about lung physiology. You seem to have some challenges learning things from other people or trusting that they may know what they're talking about thanks to education. Fortunately, I do not. That's how I learned about lung physiology.

    Someday you might want to do some reading about pulmonary physiology. You can confirm what I said above within the first 15 minutes or so.

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    I'm sorry that you would believe me to come off as just talking shit and trying to get attention. I'm not saying you're wrong at all, I'm just saying when someone says something, I need more proof than simply "because I know". Sadly this is what is happening with pretty much everything concerning the cultivation of cannabis, since it is not legal and not much research has been done regarding it (at least compared to how much would be necessary), there is not much you can use as a reliable source since people can pretty much say anything they like and come off as knowing what they're talking about. Believe me I do not claim to know anything about this, but please if you do try and at least back it up with a "reliable source" not a pro cannabis website or one persons (yourself perhaps) experience, because I will just not believe you. The same goes for ANY info on the effect of cannabis on your body. You must understand that people on this website may not be unbiased opinion towards cannabis and this is a simple fact.

    Also, using phrases like this one "Gives your longs longer contact with the bad stuff, not the good" do not appear to have much scientific basis and just sounds childish. If I am to believe what you say, you have to at least explain your claims.
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    I agree with you that we don't have unbiased studies and that there's a lot of hearsay around regarding cannabis since next to no testing has been done. We have pages and pages of links here on this site about its wonders as a medical substance, but they're not solid or large-scale studies, most of them, and they're largely completely biased. The links themselves are mostly to the abstracts, not the complete study data. What studies have been done have largely been done with isolates of cannabis compounds. Like isolated THC and isolated CBD, not whole cannabis. So the vast majority of those studies don't reflect what happens with inhaled whole cannabis; they more often report what happens when lab mice ingest or receive injections of cannabis isolates. Mice studies with cannabis isolates don't translate directly to how whole smoke of different strains affects humans. What's rarely pointed out is that for every pro-cannabis link people share here, there are just as many studies and abstracts out in cyberspace that say the opposing things.

    Now to basic pulmonary physiology. You need to do some serious reading in a number of places and do your own legwork on finding the bibliographical references that will satisfy you. Go to the NORML site and read medical studies there. Go to Erowid and read there. Find as many links as you can to the Tashkin pulmonary studies at UCLA. Get yourself the Saunders Textbook of Medical Physiology and an MD-PhD medical professor at any accredited medical school to teach you how respiration physiology works. It's standard information that you can satisfy yourself with. Then visit any pulmonary study lab in academic medicine. You can literally go to any medical school in the country (Denver and St. Louis are particularly good places for pulmonary medicine) and watch someone in a lab demonstrate a respiration device/artificial lung with air, oxygen, and smoke of any kind, including pollution. You'll see how and when the gas-exchange occurs and how, with smoke or particulate of any kind, an extended or deliberately delayed inspiration allows more time for tars, particulate and combustion by-product chemicals to settle into contact with the surface areas of the alveoli and bronchioles.

    You're not going to get a bibliographical source on this site every time people say things. We're not an academic site and will not be becoming one in the future. If you're hearing things from people whom you doubt, you might want to check their profiles for more information about them or look at their post history to see if, for instance in the case of growing, they have considerable experience in that area. In the case of inspiration/respiration and smoke inhalation physiology and damage, that's some of the most fundamental information that's been studied since cigarettes first began to be recognized as a harmful substance in the 40s and 50s, when spirometry studies were first done (and when pollution in the 60s and 70s began to be studied, too). It's available in standard physiology and medical pathology books. If you have a problem with interpreting things as "sounding childish" and unfounded, you should open your mind long enough to realize that information worded in a basic, comprehensible fashion is going to be far more understandable to our audience here than sentences full of anatomical and medical physiological terms. Any problem you're having with childish terminology is an indication of prejudice in your own interpretation, not a problem with what's actually being said.

    I don't have a problem with your being a doubter or a questioner or someone who wants solid facts and references. You're quite in sympathy with me there. I do have a problem with the fact that, as a relatively new member here, you've seemed to often be far more quick to criticize than to open your mind and take in information, consider the credibility of the source who’s speaking, then do your own research to confirm it.
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    Listen, this was more a comment spurred by the general mentality towards the effects of cannabis on your body. I agree this website is not for a necessarily more informed public but still the threads containing info and claims that are simply unfounded are plentiful. Concerning the aspect of growing, sure general knowledge is quite precise since growing is something that can be experimented with on a personal level and the information collected can be quite factual. When it comes to the effects on the human body the fact is we don't have much. I'm not saying we don't have much on the effects of it on your lungs, but the effects of it in general concerning most aspects. Perhaps I didn't pick the best thread to criticize the mentality of people on this website towards studies related to the effects of cannabis on your system, since others contain info which is much more frivolous.

    You should not base yourself on the fact that I am a new member here to judge how I should criticize information, granted a new member will more likely not know what he's talking about but this is not necessarily the case.

    On an other note, simply to continue the debat started here, I understand the gas exchange happens quickly, but saying holding a hit allows more time for your alveoli to have contact with the "good stuff" or resin vapor I suppose and less with the "bad stuff" or tars and carcinogens I suppose seems unlogical. The resin vapor is not only on the "exterior" of your hit, the smoke that first penetrates the lungs is the smoke you will have the quickest gas exchange with, but by holding a hit the resin vapor will further continue to stick to the cells in your lungs no? I don't think holding a hit will make you much higher but it should slightly increase the resin which sticks to your lungs which seems logical to me. I understand that the logical thing is not always what happens when you don't understand the mechanism assiciated with the gas exchange in your lungs (which is my case) and I don't recommend holding a hit but it seems it would logically get your at least a little higher.

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