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for some reason i take personal offence to that statement. Dont hate on electronica. Theres alot of electronica thats way more psychedelic than your deffinition of psychedelic or acid rock. Before i saw that post i thought you were just a new wave hippy and i was cool with that but then you had to go bashin defenceless music. I feel its my duty to pull you up on your ignorance.


i havent been here in a while but its good to see some things havent changed.
I'm sorry; I just tend to prefer my music created by human hands playing strings or hitting percussion, not technological tinkering. Yeah, I'm aware that there is great skill involved, but it can't really be compared to creating it by hand. It's like comparing pushing some buttons to detonate a bomb (however complex) to defeating a rival sword to sword.

I seem to recall your finding Zeppelin to be overrated? Forgive me, but I think we're just on very different wavelengths.
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I'm sorry; I just tend to prefer my music created by human hands playing strings or hitting percussion, not technological tinkering. Yeah, I'm aware that there is great skill involved, but it can't really be compared to creating it by hand. It's like comparing pushing some buttons to detonate a bomb (however complex) to defeating a rival sword to sword.

I seem to recall your finding Zeppelin to be overrated? Forgive me, but I think we're just on very different wavelengths.
Not necessarily, a trance band like Wild Marmalade does all their stuff with hands, a couple of drummers and a didgeridoo. but if there's anyone to recommend psychedelic music, it's Metaphor, dude listens to some extremely trippy shit and he'd be a dude to recommend some real blow-your-mind psychedelic music since I tend to like a more poppy style than he prefers. He always got good shit to offer, speaking of which, Metaphor, you come back but don't name-drop. Bleh.
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Not necessarily, a trance band like Wild Marmalade does all their stuff with hands, a couple of drummers and a didgeridoo. but if there's anyone to recommend psychedelic music, it's Metaphor, dude listens to some extremely trippy shit and he'd be a dude to recommend some real blow-your-mind psychedelic music since I tend to like a more poppy style than he prefers. He always got good shit to offer, speaking of which, Metaphor, you come back but don't name-drop. Bleh.
If they play their own instruments, kudos. I'm just really, really not into post-rock or shoegaze or any of that, and I'm of the belief that a Zeppelin hater is unlikely to recommend anything I'd like, since for me they're the epitome of music and all that is great about it. I also disliked the reference made to my "ignorance", which I take to here mean a differing opinion that can't be accepted.
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[QUOTE=Metaphor;1957077]for some reason i take personal offence to that statement. Dont hate on electronica. Theres alot of electronica thats way more psychedelic than your deffinition of psychedelic or acid rock. Before i saw that post i thought you were just a new wave hippy and i was cool with that but then you had to go bashin defenceless music. I feel its my duty to pull you up on your ignorance.


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When I feel the need to get "pulled up on my ignorance", I'll let you know. Until then, my opinions will not require your rubber stamp.
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If they play their own instruments, kudos. I'm just really, really not into post-rock or shoegaze or any of that, and I'm of the belief that a Zeppelin hater is unlikely to recommend anything I'd like, since for me they're the epitome of music and all that is great about it. I also disliked the reference made to my "ignorance", which I take to here mean a differing opinion that can't be accepted.
I kinda hate Led Zeppelin too, not for any they done musically because 3 of the members Jimmy, John Paul Jones and John Bohman are great at what they do. It's simply because of a bad experience on another drug which I won't mention. If some guy put black dog for the first 7 seconds, then repeat it again and again all night long in that state of mind, I think you'd hate them too! Up to that day I listened to Led Zeppelin everyday. After that day, everytime I hear one of their songs, I cringe at the screams of Robert Plant, to me he sounds like the devil getting castrated.

I agree with much which what Metaphors feels, not all but much. it isn't about being an elitiest and not accepting other peoples taste. It's about expanding what's beyond your comfort zone and accepting more than just what I refer to as a introductory bands, basic bread and butter, like Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, etc. They're amazing for a reason, but that's something I felt it's been overplayed far too many times in my lifetime and out there, there's so much more and I crave for it. I love different music too much to solely stick to bread and butter, it's always great to fall back upon, but I don't think music exploration should end there.
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I kinda hate Led Zeppelin too, not for any they done musically because 3 of the members Jimmy, John Paul Jones and John Bohman are great at what they do. It's simply because of a bad experience on another drug which I won't mention. If some guy put black dog for the first 7 seconds, then repeat it again and again all night long in that state of mind, I think you'd hate them too! Up to that day I listened to Led Zeppelin everyday. After that day, everytime I hear one of their songs, I cringe at the screams of Robert Plant, to me he sounds like the devil getting castrated.

I agree with much which what Metaphors feels, not all but much. it isn't about being an elitiest and not accepting other peoples taste. It's about expanding what's beyond your comfort zone and accepting more than just what I refer to as a introductory bands, basic bread and butter, like Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, etc. They're amazing for a reason, but that's something I felt it's been overplayed far too many times in my lifetime and out there, there's so much more and I crave for it. I love different music too much to solely stick to bread and butter, it's always great to fall back upon, but I don't think music exploration should end there.
Good points (but Plant rocks), but it's really not for anyone to tell anybody else what to listen to. I agree that musical exploration is a good idea, but it's none of my business if somebody only wants to listen to a single band. It does no harm to anybody else. I'd love to see everybody read Rimbaud's poetry, but most people just don't want to and I have no right to force them. I adhere to my tastes and if I don't like something, for whatever reason (justification is not required), I'm not going to listen to it for the sake of expansion. And please, I don't just listen to "bread and butter." I mean, who's heard of Country Joe and the Fish nowadays, let alone has heard all their albums?

And if instruments aren't being played, I'm not having any of it. Some call that narrow-mindedness; I call it obeying one's tastes, for one's own reasons.
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Old Dec-15-2008, 19:02
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Good points (but Plant rocks), but it's really not for anyone to tell anybody else what to listen to. I agree that musical exploration is a good idea, but it's none of my business if somebody only wants to listen to a single band. It does no harm to anybody else. I'd love to see everybody read Rimbaud's poetry, but most people just don't want to and I have no right to force them. I adhere to my tastes and if I don't like something, for whatever reason (justification is not required), I'm not going to listen to it for the sake of expansion. And please, I don't just listen to "bread and butter." I mean, who's heard of Country Joe and the Fish nowadays, let alone has heard all their albums?

And if instruments aren't being played, I'm not having any of it. Some call that narrow-mindedness; I call it obeying one's tastes, for one's own reasons.
Good points as well. I heard of Country Joe and the Fish but I realized I never heard one of their songs or at least recognize them. So I'm d/ling some of their stuff. I can't say anything haha.

You can't force anyone, some people are set in their ways and nothing anyone says can change that. In my case, if someone is like hey, this album is goddamn amazing you should listen to it, I most likely will because if it truly impacted them in some emotional way, surely you want to hear what it is all about.

Nor am I suggesting you only listening to bread and butter bands. IMO, you are open-minded about music and I'd never suggest to be any kind of snob when it comes to music. There's simply so many different styles that provoke different emotions, so many choices that you can't possibly digest it all and have protectionism over the choices you do digest. It's completely natural.

it's simply that most of the music that ended up being my favorites were suggested by other people. If their tastes match mine in some way, I'm going to highly value their input. Music exploration has to go at your own pace, centered around yourself, one genre of music provoke different emotions from person to person.
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Yeah man Country Joe and The Fish is pretty good, listening to the album I Feel Like I'm Fixing To Die.

The first song, The Fish Cheer, I couldn't help to think of Les Claypool, the style of the voice and delivery of the lyrics. It's a trippy song. I like how their style has these diverse variations from song to song, and it's quite dreamy, drew from a variety of southern influences and mixed it together perfectly with the acid rock movement of the time. The delivery is like a pendilum swinging between sweetness and powerful, optimism and melancholy and it's quite beautiful. Rock Coast Blues is such a sweet track as well as Thursday. I'm a sucker for those wispy guitars.

Touche. It sounds like a deep, beautiful concept album, an enlightening listen.
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THE classic psychedelic album of the 60's, released in 1967, is Electric Music For the Mind and Body, the first album by Country Joe and the Fish. It was recorded and "tested" under the correct conditions by the band, and guaranteed to bring about the desired results.

I do not have the CD, released 1990, which is currently available, because the sound quality is mediocre. I have a decent vinyl reissue. Hopefully, they'll get around to doing a better remastering job for a fresh digital release of the album.
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THE classic psychedelic album of the 60's, released in 1967, is Electric Music For the Mind and Body, the first album by Country Joe and the Fish. It was recorded and "tested" under the correct conditions by the band, and guaranteed to bring about the desired results.

I do not have the CD, released 1990, which is currently available, because the sound quality is mediocre. I have a decent vinyl reissue. Hopefully, they'll get around to doing a better remastering job for a fresh digital release of the album.
I have that on vinyl too, and I've yet to listen to anything more mind-blowing for the stoned condition. "Bass Strings" in particular always gets me writhing. Always great to hear about somebody else who knows and loves that beautiful album.
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