Thread: Shortages

Back to the original topic. If your LNPP is out of medicine, consider making the trip south. There is legal, quality medicine available to registered patients. Due to the checkpoints, they cannot deliver to you. You must be willing to make the trip south and take the risk (although small) of taking your medicine back through the checkpoints. Many patients have come and gone back without incident (no seizure of medicine). If the LNPP knows you are traveling back through a checkpoint, they package your purchase to help avoid detection, but there are no guarantees. Unfortunately, the price is higher than some of the older producers up north. The positive news is that gasoline in Las Cruces is $2.97 at Sam's...not much higher at other stations. They are not a dispensary and work by appointments only. Contact them for more details. Email is preferred and you will find their information on the sheet received with your card.

Hey Alfonso
Can you tell me what the little green bars under "registered+" under your name mean? I don't have any :-(

Originally Posted by CFO

Hey Alfonso
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Thanks Burnt Toast

Thanks Burnt Toast! Have a wonderful weekend.


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Just wanting to pass along to any NM patients looking .... there is medicine available in Las Cruces.

Was at my local in Ruidoso today and there was not a shortage.In fact I am very impresed with selection --quality--and service. Sure we all want to grow our own, but it is nice to have a local run this way with product on hand.

TYPICAL Bro! You "shoulda" planted out there on The wide open spaces, N.M. has enough remote spaces to camouflage your outside grow. Better luck in 2013! Plenty of great research/how to on you-tube! Read (2012!) Greg Campbell's new work; "Pot,Inc", for some GREAT insight!

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DOH needs to reduce those fees. That is money off the backs of us patients. If the producers didn't have to worry about those sky-high fees, they could probably lower the prices.

So basically you're saying the fees associated with being a producer( the producer well informed of these fees prior to production) are what make meds expensive? Sorry that's bull, and any upstanding producer would NOT make their "customers" pay their electricity bill, water bill etc. if it is a true non profit then why the black market prices? After all the same medicine if sold illegally makes drug dealers profit. Logically that leads me to believe producers COULD lower prices if they were willing to. The money is going somewhere. If a patient used a gram of medicine a day it would cost them $15 a day, so $450 a month, think of the yearly cost to patients. This leads myself and I'm sure others to go without so how is it really helping the patient? My prescription meds were a fourth of that for the month. Do I start them back up and await the side effects or have no medicines to help me? The growers are getting there meds though, plenty of meds, i bet their ailments are minimal to say the least. These are valid concerns....

thatguyjrod The Fees that are paid to DOH are part of the cost of what you are paying for your meds. "Sorry that's bull, and any upstanding producer would NOT make their "customers" pay their electricity bill, water bill etc. if it is a true non profit then why the black market prices? After all the same medicine if sold illegally makes drug dealers profit".Then can you tell me who is to pay these costs?You don't seem to get the picture here there is a difference in the medicine you get from a producer and what you get off the street.Most producers do a lot more than just grow medicine.The program here in N.M. is still fairly new but continues to grow. In a few years we will see where producers are headed. Have you thought about growing your own meds? If you do TRY you will find out real quick that it is not cheap even with only 4 flower plants.Lastly yes our meds are still too costly if only medicate would help.

As to shortages,patients should be able to sell the excess from their PPL to other patients. This would add 2000 small producers at the community level. Most patients are chronically ill and destitute, and are unable to support producers becasuse they are so poor. If they had abillity to make $1000 a month that would change lives. It needs to be about what changes patients lives, not what increases the number or profitability of producers. PPLs also need to be able to possess more than 6ozs to be able to get their annual supply from a fall harvest.
It should be raised to at least a pound.

Now your making sense cannabidiolator.

Originally Posted by alfonso2002

thatguyjrod The Fees that are paid to DOH are part of the cost of what you are paying for your meds. "Sorry that's bull, and any upstanding producer would NOT make their "customers" pay their electricity bill, water bill etc. if it is a true non profit then why the black market prices? After all the same medicine if sold illegally makes drug dealers profit".Then can you tell me who is to pay these costs?You don't seem to get the picture here there is a difference in the medicine you get from a producer and what you get off the street.Most producers do a lot more than just grow medicine.The program here in N.M. is still fairly new but continues to grow. In a few years we will see where producers are headed. Have you thought about growing your own meds? If you do TRY you will find out real quick that it is not cheap even with only 4 flower plants.Lastly yes our meds are still too costly if only medicate would help.

Well let's see
$100 grow tent
$188 cool tube both bulbs, ballast,
$80 for 4 clones
$20 fan
$110 or so for nutes
$400 household electricity for 3 months
So $900 or so, let's say the grow is medium in yield so an ounce a plant
4 x $400(average cost of medical grade ounce) =$1,600
I'm no rocket scientist but investing $900 or so, ten minutes a day to the garden to get even
An ounce a plant is a savings of $500 compared to buying from a grower/producer/dispensary
So again, why the high prices?

Btw, growers/producers don't use magic to create meds. The plant itself is medicinal, always has been. The only difference is a grower providing the optimum environment for it to flourish rather than some drug lord using workers in a field to grow brick pack crap. Let's be honest

thatguyjrod you say "The only difference is a grower providing the optimum environment for it to flourish rather than some drug lord using workers in a field to grow brick pack crap". That PROVIDING THE OPTIMUM ENVIRONMENT is the key those are a huge cost the numbers you give are fine and dandy for a home grow but what if the producers were only producing lets say 4 oz.s a plant and you will have a hard time doing that with the equipment you mentioned above.The producers have to produce for at a min of 1000 patients all year long.The producers are running a business and there are many many things that have to be paid so they charge what they have to to make it work.

1st You asked if I had thought about growing my own meds, not had I thought of being a producer so I listed equiptment accordingly. 2nd exactly my point, it's a business, if others want to pay high prices to help their local lnpp pay for their start up costs fine but I'm not. It's rediculous, I see a need for patients who can't grow their own to have producers, but again I give you the example of the producer in cruces $15 a gram x 30 days=$450! At only 1 gram a day, very little for most patients, $450 x 12= $5,400 per year! How much money from patients will it take before prices drop? Btw you haven't explained the "illegal" legal prices...

Also, saying id have a hard time getting 4 oz off a plant with that equipment is telling me something I already know. You have no basis for your part of the discussion, I'd rather end my part here. Ive shown the figures and costs roughly to show why patients shouldn't go to a grower/producer if they have their ppl, how inflated the price of meds are, and as you've said it's a business with an obvious profit margin patients shouldn't toss their money into. There's my .02, good thing I don't charge like producers or it'd be my $20.02...truth hurts

thatguyjrod The only thing I can tell you about growing your oun med.s is that in the last 4 years have not had to BUY one bud from anyone.So I have been doing my part in helping with the shorages.I agree that If you have a ppl you should be able to supply yourself.The differance of legal and Illegal is I think mandatory minimum of 10 years.

Originally Posted by thatguyjrod

Well let's see
$100 grow tent
$188 cool tube both bulbs, ballast,
$80 for 4 clones
$20 fan
$110 or so for nutes
$400 household electricity for 3 months
So $900 or so, let's say the grow is medium in yield so an ounce a plant
4 x $400(average cost of medical grade ounce) =$1,600
I'm no rocket scientist but investing $900 or so, ten minutes a day to the garden to get even
An ounce a plant is a savings of $500 compared to buying from a grower/producer/dispensary
So again, why the high prices?

Now, multiply your numbers by at least 30 to arive at what it costs the producers to manage 150 plants in various stages. Also, don't forget to add security, payroll, rent, insurance, and the relicensing fee (and no, the fee did NOT exist when all of the current LNPs applied and were accepted; it was added in the rule changes in December 2010), charcoal filters, and a/c units just to name a few expenses the LNPs have that the patients with PPLs don't have. You listed clones, I assume you purchased those from one of the producers, but some of the producers are purchasing feminized seeds at a hefty price in order to produce the strains that have been bred for medicinal purposes. And there is a difference. There have also been crop failures and mite infestations. Individual patients do not have to worry about mites or growing organically, but the producers do and these issues create additional costs.

Just like organic produce at the market being more expensive than traditionally grown produce, so it goes for the NM LNPs. Your local producer charges $13.95/gr (the other $1.05 is sales tax imposed by the state) and only sells the best of the buds to the patients.

At post #34 you state the "growers are getting their meds...plenty of meds....ailments are minimal." Such a stupid assumption! I don't know about the patient board members of all the producers, but the patient board members of YOUR local producer have Cancer, Multiple Schlerosis, Eplilepsy, PTSD, Painful Peripheral Neuropathy, and chronic pain. Are these minimal ailments to you????Additionally, FYI, the patient board members receive what is left prior to making edibles and hash and sometimes go without so other patients can have the best of what is available. So, the "salad" available at other producers is not available in Las Cruces so that the patient board members have something rather than nothing.

Your statement is similar to another I read indicating that all the producers were driving brand new vehicles. People should take the time to have a discussion with their producer rather than make assumptions. You do know what they say about assuming, don't you?

Any patient who can grow their own, should do so.

My original question which has still been left unanswered, maybe if I ask more directly. Why does legal medicine cost the same as illegal? You can put all the figures out there on dues, equipment, whatever you wish but still doesn't add up to a real answer. If you wanted to say because that's the market price I could understand, disappointed but understandable. It was just a simple question. Never intended it to be such an issue.
As for post #34 I was referring to the point that the llnp growers get their meds at a much cheaper cost and that their ailments were being treated. I in no way meant that to disregard or downplay anyone's ailments. You took that wrong like many of my posts. I did try several times to talk to the llnp here but the individual who works the front office was always in a hurry. Once I even talked to a woman there and she laughingly said "yea he's always rushing, the more ppl he sees the more money he makes." Again not judging the ppl, I don't know them. How am I to feel as a patient/customer after that? Not to mention I spent a good amount of money there. I even offered to help free of charge several times.
In the end they banned me just like you said they would. No bad mouthing of the staff nor naming of names was done on my part. I had/have no intent on harming the name of the producer, grower or anyone. I guess I expected different practices concerning this medicine. I didn't expect business to be the driving factor. I expected a low cost highly effective alternative to pills but all in all it is what it is.

Originally Posted by Nmnewbgrower

My original question which has still been left unanswered, maybe if I ask more directly. Why does legal medicine cost the same as illegal? You can put all the figures out there on dues, equipment, whatever you wish but still doesn't add up to a real answer. If you wanted to say because that's the market price I could understand, disappointed but understandable. It was just a simple question. Never intended it to be such an issue.
As for post #34 I was referring to the point that the llnp growers get their meds at a much cheaper cost and that their ailments were being treated. I in no way meant that to disregard or downplay anyone's ailments. You took that wrong like many of my posts. I did try several times to talk to the llnp here but the individual who works the front office was always in a hurry. Once I even talked to a woman there and she laughingly said "yea he's always rushing, the more ppl he sees the more money he makes." Again not judging the ppl, I don't know them. How am I to feel as a patient/customer after that? Not to mention I spent a good amount of money there. I even offered to help free of charge several times.
In the end they banned me just like you said they would. No bad mouthing of the staff nor naming of names was done on my part. I had/have no intent on harming the name of the producer, grower or anyone. I guess I expected different practices concerning this medicine. I didn't expect business to be the driving factor. I expected a low cost highly effective alternative to pills but all in all it is what it is.

Apparently you are "thatguyjrod"?

I can answer your question with another question....what did you expect to pay for organically grown, safe medicine accessed in a safe place? Or better yet...knowing all the costs involved, why would you "expect" a lower price for legal medicine as opposed to illegal medicine? Street dealers do not have the overhead and other costs that the legal producers have. They don't have to hire lawyers, accountants, patient consultants, etc., etc. They only have to buy their product from someone else (or grow it) and then sell it. The better question would be, why is illegal cannabis selling for more than legal cannabis. Why are their prices so high? I have been told that medical grade is selling for $20 on the streets of Las Cruces. Does that mean the patients are paying $15 and re-selling it for $20?

If you go back and look at some of the posts that have been critical of the LNPs, you will understand why some of us feel the need to defend their position.

You come back and say that your post at #34 means something other than what you wrote. Really? Even in your explanation you still make assumptions. Where do you get your information? Again, I will clarify...At your local producer, the board members pay the same price for their meds as you do. And if there isn't enough meds for the patients, the board members don't get their meds either. They have to purchase from other producers just like you do. Additionally, some of the patient board members have their own PPL and don't have to access the meds from the producer. What did I tell you before about assumptions?

And, your quote of what "a woman there" said to you ....really? Could be she made an assumption as well. The patient consultant at your local producer is NOT compensated based on the number of patients he sees. Appointments are made every 30 minutes, sometimes more, sometimes less. But as the patient numbers grow, the busier he will be. This is another reason patients must make appointments (which you criticized in one of your earlier posts). He is only one person and can see only so many people per day. People who show up without an appointment cannot be seen. There are only a few of the LNPs who submitted their proposals as "dispensaries", your LNP was not one of them.

Many patients have offered to volunteer with the LNPs. Think about the risk. What happens when someone gets pissed? How quickly do you think a disgruntled volunteer would go to the DEA or other federal entity if they felt slighted for some reason? Same for any patient. There is more risk for the producers than there is for any other entity. Their plant numbers are cummulative, not just at the time of a bust. The feds can seize their records and based on those records determine how many plants have been grown and how much medicine has been distributed by the producers. The greater number of plants, the higher the penalty. The people who run the LNPs are now all felons. I am sure they will be relieved to read that your intentions were not to harm them.

Your expectations obviously are not going to be met....at least not in the near future. When costs level out, I expect the prices will come down. You stated that you didn't think the patients should pay the start-up costs....why not? Are the producers supposed to be doing this out of the goodness of their hearts? I am sure many would IF they won the lottery or were otherwise independently wealthy. This is a business and needs to be conducted as such. A non-profit entity does not mean there is no profit, it means the State can have access to information that they would otherwise not be able to access. None of the LNPs are tax exempt (can you imagine the feds issuing tax exempt status to a federally illegal operation?). If there wasn't sales tax, the prices could come down at least a small amount. If there weren't these huge license renewal fees the prices could come down. What we, the patients, need to do is petition DOH to reduce the fees assessed to the LNPs and treat cannabis as other prescription medicine...tax exempt. After all, we are the ones actually paying for everything.

Perhaps if you contact the local producer and ask for an appointment you might be able to persuade them to reinstate you if you have been banned. I don't think you can have your cake and eat it too, however. If there is something that you feel you need to criticize, you should do so directly to them. If you were dissatisfied with your purchase, you should not have accepted it. You always have the right of refusal just as they have the right to refuse service.

Hope this helps.

With legalization now in WA and CO, check out this article on MSN.
9 problems pot dealers face- MSN Money
This one operation in Denver spends nearly $60,000 per MONTH to provide medicine to about 600 patients.

Looks like I'm back to this site. Had moved to the nmmcpa site and all was fine till they decided to "update" the site now it just don't work the way it used to so here I am.I see this site has been a little slow but at least postable.