take some acid and once you get some good enough youll stop worrying about that shit it will finally hit you that it doenst matter.

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I never understood why people think life is an accident in the first place. If life can exist in the harshest of conditions and on other planets not to mention other dimensional planes not limited to the 4 we live in (the 4th being time) then why should it be an accident. Its not difficult to understand how life began using the properties of carbon atoms, hydrogen, oxygen, electricity and amino acids, all stuff born from stars that are abundant in our universe.
There are NO accidents in the universe and beyond. Only infinite possibilities.

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Whilst I concede that life may not be an accident, to claim that there are NO accidents "in the universe and beyond" is both unfounded in logic and reasoning. When I refer to "accident" - I mean something without cause. In other words, creation without a creator. The opposite of the cosmological argument if you like. I'm aware that there could indeed be a God, but for the sake of keeping this discussion away from the general religion vs. science BS that fills the internet these days, let's just assume, in terms of answering the question (it isn't a statement) - that there isn't.

I've done acid before. Trust, it was good shit. However, your point is essentially my point exactly. The statement doesn't matter, nothing matters, ever, if life ceases to exist. Forget emotions or feelings for a second, they are simply relative to life, and without life, (assuming there is no afterlife) they cannot be present. I concur, that essentially this doesn't make a difference, because the existence/absence of God cannot be proven or disproven. Neither can anything - nothing is truly true - and because of this I'm aware that this discussion will lead nowhere.

In ironic contradiction of my initial statement, let's discuss it anyway.


"And we don't know
just where our bones will rest.
To dust i guess.
Forgotten and absorbed into the earth below"

- Billy Corgan.

First off my idea about the universe is not a religion. information is god to me. I guess you can put every idea including the people who don't believe in a religion, into a religion. if that makes any sense. I do not want a following of any kind nor for my idea of how the cosmos work to influence the way others think. It is for me and me alone.
Second, if there are infinite possibilities, then there are no such thing as accidents. If reality is in fact not real and by consciousness, we manifest our own destiny, then anything can happen and will.
third, the "big bang" is in keeping with what you are saying and a theory that everyone is aware of. The big bang is indeed a conflict among cause and effect because "energy cannot be created nor destroyed". One more antimatter then matter would be impossible but as we all know can happen. we are living in it now.

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I have an idea of where you are at at this moment in time. I've been in a very similar situation. The way I see it is that you can go over and over this stuff time and again and there is still no clear answer as no one knows what the point is. Everyone has their own idea or someone else's idea but there is no proof.

So I decided that life is living in the moment. Rather than going to end of my life in my mind I decided to step back from that and set a clear goal for myself. Something worth aiming for that makes the present moment more meaningful. We all feel the highs and lows of life but having a target that motivates me makes more highs than lows and essentially a better life. I still think about the point of it all but it doesn't bother me because I've created an artificial meaning that makes the present moment all that matters.

Life is not a 'cosmic accident' this concept that life is chance is false. There's nothing accidental about evolution, quite the contrary.

Why live if we know we're going to die?

Quite a nihilistic question and attitude. The point is that there is no objective morality, that we create our own essence through the choices we make based on what we value and desire. We only live once, so i suggest you turn that nihilistic attitude upside down and start embracing existence while you can.

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Kraloth:
http://boards.cannabis.com/recreatio...rger-then.html

Forget the stigma of "nihilism" for a second, and actually think. I've not once said I actually believe that, I've only asked people to apply something they don't believe in and actually see what they come up with. As of yet, all I've got are personal recommendations and warnings against nihilistic mentality.

I'm fully aware that it is all speculative, and because of that, I live my life to the fullest.

The point is, let's just forget that we choose to do it this way, step out of yourself a second - and think, why does anything matter if we all die anyway? Of course people feel uneasy and annoyed when you mention something like this, because it goes against everything they know.

But if, it turns out there is no afterlife, what stops everything form being meaningless?

nothing does matter, everything in life is inherently empty. Significance is determined by the individual. This topic touches existentialism. Facing the absurdity of existence and finding meaning in it.

But from an evolutionary perspective, life does have meaning and that is to create more life. So if nothing at all remember to have sex.

You. Discover love and spread it around.

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Mate. You wont find the answer. There is either a point or there isn't. No one knows. So everyone who says there is a point and tells you what it is they are just giving their opinions.

What kind of point are you looking for?

Just a point, I guess.

Nothing wrong with wanting to know or finding out. Nice post.

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A lot of people ask these questions and I don't deny that curiosity on this subject can drive someone to distraction. Religions... governments... media... parents... friends and everyone else will give us information that we use to build up what we know of the world. I answered a different question to the one you posed. I see people fighting and arguing over whose idea is the real one without concrete scientific proof and I just sit back and let them agree to disagree or rip each other to pieces. I don't mind. I have my weed and my mission.

I only asked what point you were looking for as your idea may well have as much weight as any other idea.

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Assuming it is an accident, Rebgirl gave her answers in 2nd & 3rd posts! I Like!
This is like saying; Why eat if all you are going to do is excrete it in feces! One, you have to; and 2) You eat what you like so you enjoy it and it is not a waste of time! If you apply that to your life. All of the above! sex, hobbies, friends and if you do not enjoy any of that; Be a volunteer--you may need something in your life that is more self fulfilling from others!

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Only two things i would like to point...

I dont think its always true... i would rather say one cant think without existing...

Well... maybe. Our consciousness is not our "self", our "i", so while we are bounded to be a percieving concsiousness, we still can leave our egos, our "i"s, and percieve them from outside with our pure consciousness.
And those who accomplish this learns that the sense of self is only another illusion, empty and void.

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I dont think its always true... i would rather say one cant think without existing...



Well... maybe. Our consciousness is not our "self", our "i", so while we are bounded to be a percieving concsiousness, we still can leave our egos, our "i"s, and percieve them from outside with our pure consciousness.
And those who accomplish this learns that the sense of self is only another illusion, empty and void.[/quote]

Coelho; Wow, that is heavy! Good thinking!

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Well, you can say that and be correct as i said what i said and was not incorrect. I know i exist because i am thinking.

I disagree that my sense of self is as you have described, even if i had that alleged knowledge. My point was that only non humans can have an objective view about humanity.

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Well... i agree completly with it. But knowing you exist is not the same as just existing... and thats what i wished to point.

You may be right... but i think differently. I strongly believe (from my own experiences) that we call our "self", our "i" is only a small part of our entire consciousness. For example, right now im looking to my computers screen. Im seeing it. And im aware that "i" am seeing it. But even if i were not aware that "i" were seeing it, still i would be seeing it.

The idea of an "i", of a self, is a thing we learn when children, from our parents and all older people, which help us to deal with the peoples world. But it is not a thing that is hardwired in our brains. Only the pure perception is. What i call "pure perception" is the ability to percieve the world without be constantly thinking "im seeing this, im hearing that, etc", the ability to just see, to just hear, without interpreting what we percieve, without fitting it into words, or concepts, or thoughts. It is a very unusual state of mind, but it can be accomplished by means of meditation, or by use of some psychedelics.

And like the idea of the self, almost all characters of "humanity" we people have are learned. When were children we learn what being a human is like, what we must do as humans, what we must feel as humans, how we must behave as humans, and so on. But they are not the only ways we can be. It is possible to think, to feel, and to behave in ways far different from the "standard" humans. But we are so used (or rather brainwashed) to be like humans that we dont even imagine we could be otherwise.

So, if a person can disentangle itself from the quirks of being human, it can actually percieve the human world as if viewed from outside. And im sure its what several mysticals, sages, and spiritual teachers did. They were able to see the human world from outside, and so they could delineate its strong and weak points, and give teachings to improve the human condition. And the fact they went outside the "normal" human scope would very well explain why their wisdom is frequently deep, far reaching, and sometimes thought as being "divinely inspirated". (Not that i dont believe in divine inspiration. But i think its not the only explanation)

BTW... If you ever had any experience with some stronger psychedelic, im sure you will understand what i meant with all this...

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