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Colour, what have you changed and what are your specs right now? A photo would help alot as well.
They SHOULD be looking at least better..... not a lot worse. Have you calibrated all your meters recently?
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This is a bummer, man...thats a bummer...They are definitely showing no signs of improvement. I changed my formula to add some K: i went from 10-10-10ml per 1.5 gal to 8-8-15ml...and nothing. I also did a res change, 8-8-8 and at top offs added about 5ml of Grow Big (3-2-6)...Im thinking it has something to do with my top-off routine - I posted a thread in the Hydroponic section addressing the issue...As for my meters, they're dead on - Milwaukee 
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Apr-12-2008, 01:19
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oh, and they just turned out the lights so i'll get some photos up tomorrow morning.
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CalMag replaces the minerals etc that RO or distilling takes out of your water. So yes.....you pay to take everything out of the water and then you pay to put things back in.
CalMag should be between a third and a half of your total ppms if using RO or distilled water every time. Liquid Karma isn't necessary.....CalMag is.
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absolutely, positively, CORRECT ... lay off the Karma for awhile, it supposedly coats the roots with gunk (I can't say for sure, I use molasses instead) ... use 10ml Cal Mag+ per gallon, you are definitely deficient ... you probably already know this, but Mandala's website has some of the best growing advice of anyone, I think he has it under his 'FAQ' section ... (Mike knows his stuff ) ... and, put up some photos, we can't guess at this stuff ... 
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Apr-12-2008, 12:39
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Thanks for stopping by Image Reaper! Here are a few pictures from this morning. 1st two are of the sick one, 3rd is the halfway healthy one.
I haven't read Mandala's FAQ's but you know I'm going to right now.
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Apr-12-2008, 12:45
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looks like a phosphorous deficiency to me ... add a dose of Tiger Bloom to your solution in the reservoir, and mix a 1/2 strength spray bottle of same, for foliar feeding (spray both sides of the leaves, early in the 'morning' period, while the pores are open) ... the bad leaves will continue to look bad, but the plant will be OK ... that sure is a nice-looking plant, otherwise ... Mike breeds some great gear
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I'd also think about the fact that these plants obviously were doing quite well (big healthy leaves and plant despite current issues) so that makes me SERIOUSLY wonder about the possiblity of rootbound plants......They do look a smite worse and no better.....we should have seen some improvment by now.
Colour you need to realize that with plants MANY symptoms MIMIC each other. Often times diagnosis is figured by trying things one by one and seeing what works. Welcome to hydro!
PS....My personal thought....rootbound at this point......they DO show defs....but I don't think that is your real problem right now. How do the roots look?
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Weedhound - Yea hydro has given me a huge slap with the hand of reality. And, again, you bring up a very interesting point...I'm going to post some pictures of the roots to show what I mean..
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Liquid Karma also makes roots look like shit, but doesn't harm them ... check for that 
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I got a dollar, that says it's a Phosphorous deficiency  
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I'll match you sir and raise you one. Your roots look EXTREMELY sad and diseased and tied in a big knot to me. I just had this EXACT same issue with my power plant.
More space....quick.
Hydrogen peroxide....quicker....like yesterday.
If using store bought 3% H202 go with 2 teaspoons a gallon every other day.
Google up "root rot." I'm betting 2 DOLLARS its a space issue.
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I'll match you sir and raise you one. Your roots look EXTREMELY sad and diseased and tied in a big knot to me. I just had this EXACT same issue with my power plant.
More space....quick.
Hydrogen peroxide....quicker....like yesterday.
If using store bought 3% H202 go with 2 teaspoons a gallon every other day.
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it COULD be root-rot, but just because its brown and gloppy-lookin' (it could just be the Liquid Karma) ... ya gotta gimmee some time, Weedie, just a few more aluminum cans, and I'll match yer $2 ...
regardless, go with Weedhound's H2O2 plan, it's your best hope at this point ... if it perks up, after the H2O2 is flushed out, add some Fox Farm Big Bloom (active bacteria that acts like first-aid for plants), BUT chlorine or H2O2 will kill the new, beneficial bacteria, so keep that in mind ...
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On it! You all have been stellar. I stopped giving them LK a couple res changes ago so I'd say the color is coming from that.
Updates in a few!
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Colour,
Don't forget areating.......critical for roots hanging in water constantly.
Good luck!
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I'm not a hydro guy, but switching stressed plants from 18/6 to 12/12 is going to compound their stress. Might be best to figure-out what's stressing them, correct the problem, then go for the switch.
Stinky: Do you rinse the leaves after the foliar/surfactant spray, to remove the soap film? Just curious...
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I agree with RT that you should never flower a plant until it is in good health.
I don't rinse the leaves- a drop of soap in a quart of water doesn't leave a significant film; anyway, I use so much SMC leaf wash on my plants that there's quite a film already.
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Yup. I got mites from visiting a friend's growhouse, even though when I got home I stripped nekkid in the hall before even entering my apartment, and left my clothes outside  Guess I shoulda shaved my head too. But I also have ladybugs, and my little ecosystem is flourishing. The mites cause very very little damage since their numbers are kept in check by the army of scarlet hunters chomp chomp chomp! Plus the SMC prevents moisture loss at any damage sites.
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