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el chupanebre · #26 (**permalink**) Sep-29-2008, 12:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Don't spray seedlings or any plant with distilled water, and avoid spraying with plain water. This is called 'reverse foliar feeding' and leaches mobile nutes right out of the leaves.

Is it alright to mix neem oil with distilled water to foliar spray the plants?

**stinkyattic** · #27 (**permalink**) Sep-29-2008, 12:34

That's fine, because you are not going to mist them to the point of runoff, or even enough to have to worry. Go VERY LIGHT on neem applications. Use the finest mist you can. Hair-care products come in bottles with fine mist sprayers, FYI.

the image reaper · #28 (**permalink**) Sep-29-2008, 12:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkyattic

That's fine, because you are not going to mist them to the point of runoff, or even enough to have to worry. Go VERY LIGHT on neem applications. Use the finest mist you can. Hair-care products come in bottles with fine mist sprayers, FYI.

be real careful with them 'hair-care products' ...

**stinkyattic** · #29 (**permalink**) Sep-29-2008, 13:00

Haha REap, I gotta worry more about the hat thing- you know when you were a kid and some clucking auntie would warn that if you wear a hat too much your hair falls out? lol! I can't live without a nice Sox hat to hide under

TheWhiteRider · #30 (**permalink**) Oct-01-2008, 19:18

Here is an update.

I kept the plant in the same soil until yesterday afternoon, when I finally got the Happy Frog Soil and the Perlite. Before I transplanted, it wad doing real bad. I flushed it two times (once with a decent amount of ST) in an attempt to flush the nutrients out of the Miracle Grow shit. The plant was still droopy, and the leaves were all getting yellow. I even had to cut the first node of leaves because they were dead, yellow and brown. You can also notice some nute burn from the Superthrive in one of the pics. I think the plant was seriously locked out because it was not growing at all (maybe 2" per day and nodes coming at quite slow).

Once I transplanted it, things started looking better. For the transplant, I waited until the soil was dry. I tapped it from the bottom and it came out. I noticed 1/4 of the bottom of the soil was surrounded by white roots. They looked quite healthy. Then I put it into a new pot of the same size (since bigger would not be beneficial I think, it's still a small plant) with a layer of 3/4" Perlite stones and then a mix of 70% FF + 30% Perlite. Most of the MG is still there, but at least surrounded by well aerated Happy Frog.

In addition, I added a box fan blowing at slowest speed. Before, there was not enough direct fluid movement around the plant so this is much better. Temperatures dropped thanks to the convective cooling and stem movement increased due to the flow of air. So hopefully the stem will get stronger.

Good news is that the plant looks much better even after only 1 day!! You can see in the pics that the top leaves are much greener with no nute burn on the tips. The plant grew the most it has this last day. The top node came out about 8 mm, a record so far (for me at least

).

I will keep you guys updated, and sorry for the long post. I just wanted to log my progress in here for other people to study and use as reference.

TheWhiteRider · #31 (**permalink**) Oct-01-2008, 20:58

I meant to say 2 mm instead of 2" per day. I don't know why I typed inches, I was thinking millimiters... I was totally high, so maybe I do know why...

Pinkfloydfan1973 · #32 (**permalink**) Oct-02-2008, 13:40

I'm not an expert, but I think that if you've already found that the pot size you were using is getting rootbound at the bottom, it'd be a good idea to go to a larger pot... especially if you're having probs with too much nutes.

TheWhiteRider · #33 (**permalink**) Oct-02-2008, 18:07

Thanks for your comment, pinkfloydfan

I actually gave a lot of thought to this matter. I gathered that moving the plant into a bigger pot when being so young would cause root bound in the future; also, the pot would not drain well at all (especially after having 65% Moisture Control MG). And going to a smaller pot was not an option since I would have to mess with the roots to fit the new small pot.

Thus, I decided to put it into the same pot size but putting a hefty amount of my soil mix at the bottom of it and surrounding the soon to come roots. Basically, the roots would be in direct and immediate contact with the new soil mix.

Anyways, I think my theory was right because the plant changed right away. Like no joke, today alone it has grown so much and all the new leaves are really green. This plant is 1 month old people!! The MG sucks balls!! The Happy Frog kicks ass! I really thought using MG wasn't that bad, but after actually trying it I realize how bad it really is. And FYI, I will transplant again, once I feel the plant is ready to increase in pot size.

Thanks to everybody for their advice, it was well put. I will keep logging in the progress. We could make this my log grow if one of the admins is willing to.

Hopefully things will stay good!

TheWhiteRider · #34 (**permalink**) Oct-03-2008, 19:05

This was taken today.

Plant is coming out quite nicely thus far.

timbo123 · #35 (**permalink**) Oct-04-2008, 20:11

your setup is too much for a seedling. Seedlings need less drastic situation. Your setup results in too high a temps aroung your seedling, could cause heat burn and more importantly, if your plants survives, it will have more chance to become male or hermi. Keep your lights further and later bring them closer when the seedling has grown a bit more. Seedlings at that age need a mellow environment. (1 100w cfl 2-3 inches away is fine until later when they have more leaves.)

As for fungi infestation, using neem is a good idea. Kill the bastards before they spread although that type of fungi does not really pose a seroius problem for mature plants.

TheWhiteRider · #36 (**permalink**) Oct-05-2008, 14:58

Temperatures were high before I bought the fan, and I think that was also part of the problem. But since I bought this fan and having blowing at the lowest speed directly to plant, the lights end up radiating much less heat.

I think I finally found the correct environmental conditions for the plant.

TheWhiteRider · #37 (**permalink**) Oct-21-2008, 20:29

Update.

Plant has grown quite a bit since the last time I posted. It is growing pretty quickly everyday, but the plant overall is very droopy. I've been watering every 3 days and making sure the soil is dry. Also, a lot of the lower leaves have died and I've had to cut them off. You can see some big ones died in the pics. It's like the problem starts from the bottom and goes upward. And all the young leaves look great when they come out but then they start getting brown and yellow and dying.

I've started to feed it with nutes (Grow Big at 1/2) just yesterday. I am hoping it will improve things a bit.

I've been measuring pH with some strips I got from HD for aquariums. The pH of the tap water is 6.2-7 (it varies, but it might be the error margin of the strips). Runoff is around 6-6.2. It's hard to say. I should get a digital pH meter.

But I think the pH is definitely too low. Anyone know how I can raise it ASAP?

Please look at pics. All opinions are welcome.

PS: I think it might be a female judging from the pistils in one of the pics. Look up close and tell me if you agree.

**stinkyattic** · #38 (**permalink**) Oct-22-2008, 08:59

Are you still running superthrive? If so, stop.
You can raise pH by adding a commercial plant pH up to your fert solution until it is about ~7.5 to bring a soil that is showing runoff 6.2 up to 6.7. But the normal way to deal with that is flushing according to the sticky at the top of this section.
You are definitely getting locked out by low pH- all the symptoms are there.
One last thing to check is your pot drainage. Pot needs a pot that drains well. If it has a catch tray built in, rip it off and feel up into the drain holes to see if there is soggy soil up there. That is often the case with those, and can make low pH problems MUCH worse.

TheWhiteRider · #39 (**permalink**) Oct-22-2008, 18:14

Stinky,

Thank you very much for your reply. I feared that no1 would answer since the thread is wayy too long (sorry for that).

About superthrive, no I am not using it anymore. I used it a couple of weeks back and it helped promote new growth, but I stopped since I do not want to overnute the plant.

About the pH, I've flushed the plant twice within the last couple of weeks in order to try to raise the pH, but the tap water I get is usually more acidic than alkalyne. I need to get my hands on some product that will raise pH. Could you specifically mention a brand/product name that I can get in HD or Lowe's? I tried to look for stuff in their store but I could not find anything of the sort.

The pot drainage... I made extra holes when I transplanted the plant and I also put a 3/4" layer of Perlite at the bottom so that the soil drains nicely. I think it might be working because when I pick up the pot when it's been ~3 days from watering it feels pretty light. I've tried to see whether the soil is moist at the bottom but I can't since I have that layer of Perlite.

Let me know if you can help me.

Thanks again.

TheWhiteRider · #40 (**permalink**) Oct-23-2008, 21:12

UPDATE

Bought some Hydrated Lime after work and mixed about 1 tablespoon in a gallon of 6.2 pH Water. I did a dip test and water came out off the charts, way too alkalyne. So I poured 5/6 of the gallon out and replaced with new tap water. Dip test... pH came out to be about 7.2

So I flushed the plant with this new water and measured the pH of the soil drainage... pH came out to be about 6.6.... PERFECT.

Also, I think it might be a hermie since I might be seeing some balls come out off the sides of the white pistils. Good news is I bought some reverse dutch master and will apply it after a couple days from starting flowering (which will be soon).

Wish me luck!

TheWhiteRider · #41 (**permalink**) Oct-25-2008, 09:14

1 1/2 days after the deed, the plant looks better. The leaves have started to pop up a little; they still remain droopy but much less than in the pics you see above.

I will double the dose of Grow Big today using the pH corrected water. Hopefully the plant will love it since it is not in lock-up anymore.

I will post pics when I see a more significant change.

Can anybody comment on the whole hermie situation? I will try to take closer pics of the pistils but it's hard with my camera because it doesn't like to go up close. But do the pistils coming out first make it more of a female than a male? Because I don't think reverse dutch master will work if it's originally a male.

420F4i · #42 (**permalink**) Oct-26-2008, 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWhiteRider

Can anybody comment on the whole hermie situation? I will try to take closer pics of the pistils but it's hard with my camera because it doesn't like to go up close. But do the pistils coming out first make it more of a female than a male? Because I don't think reverse dutch master will work if it's originally a male.

Pics!!!!

TheWhiteRider · #43 (**permalink**) Nov-13-2008, 21:26

Here are the close-up pics of the pistils/balls. First one is from weeks ago when the first pistils came out, and the next two are the same ones but taken today. You can see how the pistils (or at least I think that's what they are) came out, and then some balls come out underneath while the pistils turned amber. I am still running 18/6.

I think the plant is showing sex in the first two nodes because it was on 12/12 for the first weeks of its life. But on the other upper nodes some pistils are coming just like these did. I received the reverse dutch master so I will start flowering this weekend and apply it the first day and the 10th day, like the instructions say.

Do you guys think that because the pistils came out first it's originally a female plant? I am hoping this is true so that I can transform them back!!

HELP ME SEX IT! Are those balls or am I wrong?

TheWhiteRider · #44 (**permalink**) Nov-15-2008, 15:12

Anyone?! Please help me sex it.

TheWhiteRider · #45 (**permalink**) Nov-16-2008, 21:06

Could those be Calyxes? I only see one hair sticking out though, not really in a "V shape" like I've read.

I sprayed reverse dutch today, which is the first day of flowering. I am being real careful about light leaks and such.

Stinky, you said in another thread that males are in the small stems? Could you ellaborate?

Thanks!

TheWhiteRider · #46 (**permalink**) Nov-20-2008, 19:09

I finally started flowering!!!

I transplanted to a bigger pot (8 1/2") and started the 12/12 period all in the same day. I watered it with adjusted tap water at 7 pH and 1 drop of Superthrive. I also flushed the next day because the runoff from the soil was wayyyy too acidic. I can't know what it really was because it came outside the range of colors of my dip test... too yellow.

So I flushed at x2.5 the volume of the new pot with ~7.2 pH, but my runoff pH dip test did not stop being yellow!! I don't know why it wasn't coming down enough to be inside the scale range. So I just stopped because I had to go to work. I watered it with nute/water solution when I came home.

Now the plant is looking pretty good. Calyxes are coming out everywhere with two beautiful white pistils sticking out!!

The pH seems too low (unless my fish pond dip test sucks balls...), but the plant keeps growing at a healthy rate and the leaves have perked up quite a bit.

Could it be this specific strain likes lower pH levels?

TheWhiteRider · #47 (**permalink**) Nov-21-2008, 08:11

Anyone care to comment!! I'd like to know what the experts think!

If no1 will comment, then I guess I'll stop updating. Not really a threat... I just don't think it's worth the time if I'm talking to myself...

Thanks to all for your help thus far.

TheWhiteRider · #48 (**permalink**) Dec-03-2008, 19:15

Ok, you got me... I actually enjoy posting updates of my baby!

Pics are 2 1/2 weeks into flowering. Using 1/2 strength nutes every other watering with pH adjusted to ~7.2. Tap water comes out at 7.8-8 but I don't have a way to bring it down. Is it ok to use the pH down they sell in the pet stores? Or does it have some kind of chemical that affects the plant? I still use the water even though I know 1 pH point above your plant's range could shock it. But the plant seems to be pulling through. Lower leaves are dying but I think this is natural because they had a rough childhood, lol.

Starting to look nuggalicious

There are some burnt leaves because of heat stress. I had to remove the fan for 2 days while some family was visiting. It was hard to tell them not to shine any kind of light in the room at night, lol.

Enjoy and comments are always appreciated!

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