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    leaves drooping/curling down

    Been growing for three weeks now and only recently over the past few days the leaves have been drooping or you could say curling down... It looks like the leaves are getting heavy and therefore are beginning to drop. If anyone can help me i would really appreciate it... I have uploaded a picture so if anyone needs to see it first you can see one of the plants in the picture.

    I think it could be down to two things 1. the temperature it has been fluctuating and ranging between 26 - 32 degrees Celsius when the lights are on and when the lights are off the temp is between 18 and 24 degrees Celsius... it could also be down to over watering it, which I am pretty confident it is not that because we have been watering it approx 400ml per plant a day it is still in vegetation.

    Look forward to hearing from anyone that has any advice or can be of use.

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    looks overwatered to me. but fill out the troubleshooting form in my sig so we can see the big picture and give accurate advice.

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    However i have not been watering it as much yet the leaves are still curled i keep the ph at 6

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    then you may be underwatering.When my plants drop i give them water and they perk up.What size container is that, nice plant what kind is it?
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    looks to me overwatering.........way i water my soil plants is to water, feel pot and feel daily until lighter 1/2 as light of when fully watered the next day i water again.........i never water daily until they are 4+ ft tall when they are drinking 1 gal a day........looks like it is in to small of a pot too........need to transplant into a large container.........more roots = more and bigger buds

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    1) 250 WATTS sodium
    .2) 1 ft from top
    .3) budget reflector
    .4) i have an air circulator at the window and a smaller fam in the wardrobe
    .5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? answerd above
    .6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?
    -250watts sodium son t-plus lamp

    Your medium:
    .7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...)
    -Bio bizz all mix - Soil(20%),worm casting (10%),perlite (30%), special premix (5%)
    .8) Size of container.
    -6.5 liter square pots
    .9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings?
    -no used pellet peets to germinate seeds

    Your nutrients and water:
    10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's ph before adjusting?
    - tap water left to sit for 24hrs ph b4 adjustment is 7.5
    11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...)
    -manual ph tester
    12) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...)
    -ph up ph down
    13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
    -bio grow for veggitative state NPK 8.0-2.0-6.0
    -dosage is 2ml per litre of water and 1 litre per plant and feed it every 3 days.
    14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering?
    -water once inbetween the 3 days of feeding
    15) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)
    -no
    16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate?
    -stable bt ph tester not to accurate
    17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph?
    5.5
    18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?
    -no

    Your growroom:
    19) Indoors or outdoors?
    -indoors
    20) What size of closet, room or hut?

    21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
    - temps between 75 - 85 lights on and 70 to 75 lights off
    22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?
    -no
    Your strain:
    23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
    -indica dominant Violator kush, vanilla kush, lemon amnesia
    24) From seeds or clones?
    -Seeds
    25) Is this an autoflower strain?
    no
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    now the fan leaves are turning a bit purple so is the stem
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    I kinda think over watered and nute lockout. The red could be an indicator of lockout or female plant. The almost look nitrogen toxic, except the yellowish one. You might consider repotting to the next size up container. If the roots are thin and stringy, it is over watering for sure. If they are nice and white and fuzzy looking they are healthy and watering has been ok.

    I would not be giving nutes at this stage at all, myself. You might also want to get a better way of checking the PH, you sound less than confident in your current method.

    Acutally, they look pretty good so far.

    EDIT: Regardless, looking back at the photos, those pots are too small, you need to get them into something about twice the size they are in now. At that size in those pots, it should be hard to over water them.
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    first things first, why are you ammending your all-mix? all-mix comes ready to use. it also already contains the pre-mix. the pre-mix is the only difference between the allmix and the light-mix. the worm castings are totally unnecessary. they are a long-term source of nitrogen.....which you don't need. they are just making your soild retain too much water. you should never need them with the bio bizz. if you do ever decide to use them you would be better off making a tea. the perlite isn't a big deal, but it should be giving you better drainage. use 1/3 perlite to 2/3 parts soil.

    by the way, your percenteges, soil (20%), worm castings (10%), perlite (30%) and pre-mix (5%) only add up to 65%. so i ask you what is the other 35% of stuff in your pots? you've got more perlite than soil!?

    they definitely look overwatered....and they need to be transplanted!

    using the bio grow is fine. it's organic and won't burn your plants. follow the feeding chart.

    so do those things and let us know what happens.


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    Quote Originally Posted by headshake View Post
    first things first, why are you ammending your all-mix? all-mix comes ready to use. it also already contains the pre-mix. the pre-mix is the only difference between the allmix and the light-mix. the worm castings are totally unnecessary. they are a long-term source of nitrogen.....which you don't need. they are just making your soild retain too much water. you should never need them with the bio bizz. if you do ever decide to use them you would be better off making a tea. the perlite isn't a big deal, but it should be giving you better drainage. use 1/3 perlite to 2/3 parts soil.

    by the way, your percenteges, soil (20%), worm castings (10%), perlite (30%) and pre-mix (5%) only add up to 65%. so i ask you what is the other 35% of stuff in your pots? you've got more perlite than soil!?

    they definitely look overwatered....and they need to be transplanted!

    using the bio grow is fine. it's organic and won't burn your plants. follow the feeding chart.

    so do those things and let us know what happens.


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    Well i dont really know what the other 35% is i just listed the parts which were listed under the description of it in the catalogue, transplanted owww im a first timer so i'm gonna have to hit youtube and research that up, but thanks for the feedback imma defiantly tell you how it goes

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    WASNT able to transplant to a bigger pot, bt the problem of the leaves droping was due to over watering but now problem has changed and the droping has got better. the problem now is that there are signs of brown/purple pigmentation on the leaves of the violator khush
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    Quote Originally Posted by tubbbbbby View Post
    However i have not been watering it as much yet the leaves are still curled i keep the ph at 6
    Why pH so low? 6.0 in and 5.5 out is on the edge of lockout or worse. Have you flushed yet? I'd flush with 6.8 water until the runoff is safe range of 6.5-6.8.

    If you are watering everyday you are either; watering too much, or if they really do need water everyday you are overdue for potting up transplanting.

    IMHO that is. Please keep up updated,
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    waterd the plants at a ph of 7, and the run off increased and was around 8 is that possible or was the reading incorrect.

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    It sounds sort of funny, what is "manual tester"? Aquarium fish tank drops? Do you mean one of those probes with the needle that move? Those are tricky because they are "open to interpretation" and take some getting to know. Others call them just plain inaccurate. I don't use them anymore, a digital like the Milwaukee are decent IMHO. Fish tank drops are pretty accurate but water color must me "compensated" for which leads to, again, interpretation. Perhaps others will correct me if I'm wrong please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tubbbbbby View Post
    waterd the plants at a ph of 7, and the run off increased and was around 8 is that possible or was the reading incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocotillo View Post
    It sounds sort of funny, what is "manual tester"? Aquarium fish tank drops? Do you mean one of those probes with the needle that move? Those are tricky because they are "open to interpretation" and take some getting to know. Others call them just plain inaccurate. I don't use them anymore, a digital like the Milwaukee are decent IMHO. Fish tank drops are pretty accurate but water color must me "compensated" for which leads to, again, interpretation. Perhaps others will correct me if I'm wrong please.
    Thanks, Doc Oc.

    the drops mate thats what im using

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    FROM THE PIC COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME IF THE PROBLEM IS ROOTBOUND
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    Yep, that little girl wants a new pot!


    I've never actually seen root circling like that, kinda cool,... not good, but interesting to see anyway.


    Those are what 3-4 liter squares? Double or triple the size and your girls will explode!

    Pic: My current SCROG plant when I up potted it before flower.
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    got them into 11 litre pots now from 6.5 litre which they wer now to 11 litre hopfully in a couple of days it would fix up
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    now there in 11 litre pots would 1 litre of water with 3ml of the bio grow and bio bloom nutrients each be enough, and if not would anybody have any advice on it

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    the babies vanilla, lemom amnesia, violator all from barneys farm
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