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The Murat Kurnaz Story: An Innocent Man Tortured at Gitmo Tells All [VIDEO] | Rights and Liberties | AlterNet

Fucking sickening.

Thanks Herb this is why you shouldnt torture anyone,i dont care if he is johnny fucking jihad you shouldnt torture anyone.......

Cheers for that..Its was pretty intresting..

The US sure do know how to get people to hate them. Another Inocent person locked up and tortured over some BS.. Fuck that shit.. Hope they wankers who are in control of this mess die a painful death..


I personally think these pricks who do this shit to these people should be stoned to death..

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don't forget the ex inmate from GITMO who got out and was later involved in a suicide bombing in Iraq. I don't think he was exactly an innocent victim....hardly.

No guys you don't understand. In theory Gitmo is probably effective. The problem is in practice if failed but that was because of government neglect. I still support torture but only with people who are actually proven to be the bad guys rather than just someone who could be the bad guy.

How do you know who a bad guy is and who isnt? For all we know that guy who got out of Gitmo and did the suicide bombing was a peaceful man until America tortured him to high hell and stuffed him into a hole in the wall.

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Yea i can see torturing someone who they pulled out of the cockpit of a plane but someone who they pulled off a bus is ludicrous. I wonder if he got the cock-meat sandwich.(Sorry just saw H&K2 thanks to smokey)

I don't know... personally I think that form of execution should be bestowed upon respectable stoners like you and I.

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That's horrible.. Makes me sad that the US would do this to anyone.

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Well that's it! That's the flaw that I was talking about. The change that needs to be done to a system that could work. Obviously they used little or no effort to find out if this person was really a terrorist. It was just a matter or neglect and responsibility. If the right people were in charge and did it the correct way then I guarentee the U.S can easily find evidence that would infer that he was a terrorist. Another thing that must be changed is the not having any rights in court. I mean why even bother having a court system at Gitmo if they aren't even allowed a fair trial? These are things that need to be changed and its not just changes in systems like Gitmo but also with our other systems like the tax system, FDA, CIA, DEA. Just simply getting rid of things rather then fixing them is stoner Ron Paul talk.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to abuse an innocent.
America should be ashamed of the tactics it's goverment uses, put a person under enough pressure and they will admit to anything just to stop the torture.
It sickens me that the US tries to justify torture whilst condeming other regimes for thier use of it, the height of hypocrisy if you ask me.

Inference of guilt is not proof , it makes a joke of the supposed democratic practice of assuming innocence till PROVEN guilty.

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You could do about 10 seconds worth of research and find out that this story IS NOT OPEN AND SHUT. This thread should be moved to the conspiracy section. There is a wealth of information available on this innocent little schoolgirl.
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For some bizarre reason, Germany had at one point sent people to Gitmo to participate in interrogations with this turd. This is not something that is normal for Germany, they are not allowed to assist in any other countries legal activities if they use the death penalty. So they must be dillusional too? Or maybe they just let him go to follow him. Whatever happened, I do not buy the premise of this article, but hey, at least it gives people a chance to post hateful things about the U.S. !!! After all it is a cannabis site huh?

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The German BKA Dossier on Murat Kurnaz

John Rosenthal | Bio | 21 Jun 2007
WPR Blog

As of 2002, Germany's Federal Office of Criminal Investigations (BKA) classified former Guantanamo inmate and current German media star, Murat Kurnaz, as a security risk. (On Kurnaz in the German media, see the accompanying article "Guantanamo Tales.") This classification was based on a series of police findings linking Kurnaz to Islamic extremist milieus in Germany: including to persons who are linked in turn to the "Hamburg Cell" that planned the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The relevant facts were presented by BKA Deputy Director Bernhard Falk in March, during hearings held before a German parliamentary committee investigating the Kurnaz case. They have been summarized in a March 22 press release issued by committee member Thomas Oppermann of the Social Democratic Party.

Despite their being made public, these facts have had astonishingly little impact on the coverage of Kurnaz's case in the German media and, in particular, on the customary depiction of Kurnaz as an "innocent" victim who, in the words of Luzia Braun of German public television ZDF, "had nothing to do with terrorism." Perhaps more astonishingly still, they have been entirely ignored by the American news media. In order to rectify the latter situation, World Politics Review here presents a complete English translation of Thomas Oppermann's summary of the contents of the BKA file on Murat Kurnaz:

The classification of Murat Kurnaz as a security risk was based on the following findings, among others:

1. On October 3, 2001 - three weeks after the September 11 terrorist attacks - Kurnaz set off to Pakistan with his friend Selcuk Bilgin, without saying goodbye to his family or informing his school. He broke off his course of studies in midstream. According to his mother, he purchased heavy boots and two pairs of binoculars immediately prior to his departure.
2. Kurnaz's and Bilgin's airplane tickets were paid for by Sofyen Ben Amor. In a telephone conversation with the Bremen-based preacher of hate Ali Miri that was wiretapped by the police, Ben Amor described himself as a "Taliban."
3. According to his mother, in the weeks prior to his departure, Kurnaz "was brainwashed" by Ali Miri at the Abu-Bakr Mosque in Bremen. The Bremen police continue to assume still today that Kurnaz was radicalized by Ali Miri. Also according to the assessment of both [the German foreign intelligence service] the BND and [the German domestic intelligence service] the BfV, Kurnaz's biography follows a typical path of radicalization and "awakening."
4. Independently of one another, two direct witnesses have declared to the Bremen police that Kurnaz approved of the September 11 terrorist attacks, describing them as "God's will."
5. On October 3, 2001, the brother of Selcuk Bilgin notified the Federal Police [which is responsible for border security in Germany] that Selcuk "is following a friend to Afghanistan, in order to fight." His later attempts to relativize this declaration have been dismissed as not credible by the police. The wife of Bilgin, moreover, has confirmed to Kurnaz's mother that Bilgin and Kurnaz wanted to go to Afghanistan.
6. Bilgin was arrested at the airport and thus prevented from embarking on his voyage with Kurnaz. Later, in 2003, the police determined that he was continuing to try to recruit young, inexperienced Muslims for Jihad at the Abu-Bakr Mosque. Thus Ali T., who on April 25, 2003 hijacked a bus in Bremen, stated to the police that Bilgin had awakened in him the desire to become a Mujahideen through conversations and prayers and by showing him propaganda videos. According to Ali T., Bilgin promised that he would have him trained as a fighter in Pakistan or Afghanistan, just as he had done in the past with Murat Kurnaz. The training, Bilgin is reported to have said, would be financed by Al Qaida. The Bremen police thus assumed that after his failed attempt to travel with Kurnaz, Bilgin had been promoted from a prospective fighter to a "Recruiter/Logistics Specialist."
7. According to police investigations, there are numerous links between the Taliban Sofyen Ben Amor, who purchased Kurnaz's plane tickets, and the "Hamburg Cell" [which planned the 9/11 attacks]. Thus, for example, Ben Amor's telephone number was found in an address book that was seized during a Hamburg raid carried out as part of the Federal District Attorney's investigation against, among others, Ramzi Bin Al-Shibh in connection with the attacks of September 11, 2001.

The police have determined, moreover, that up until September 11, 2001, Sofyen Ben Amor frequently withdrew money in the vicinity of the Al-Quds Mosque in Hamburg. It was at this mosque that the "Hamburg Cell" formed around Mohammad Atta.

Finally, there are also numerous pieces of evidence in the file that indicate that Ben Amor, Bilgin, and Kurnaz have links to Mohammad Haydar Zammar, one of the most important recruiters of the "Hamburg Cell."

So, this "innocent little school girl" might not have been so innocent after all. The fact that anyone would take his word for it is flat out stupid. He should still be layed out getting a nice drink. Fuck'em.

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Torturing people in order to get them to confess is a despicable practice by any so called civilised country so please explain to me why America should be allowed to do something they condemn others for ?
It's pretty hard to take the moral highground when it's so obvious that you are as bad or worse than those you criticise wouldn't you say?

Talk about double standards.

As for the reliability of security forces information I can say only one thing ,does anyone even remember WMD ?
The propoganda machine drones on.

I sometimes get the feeling I'm living George Orwells nightmare.

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The behaviour of the US goverment gives people reason to challenge the US .

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