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Ron Paul Speaking somewhere else During Convention.
Just caught this on yahoo, any of you ron paul fans check it out. Also dont forget the Ron Paul revolution march on Washington on July 12th. I dont know if anyone on here is going to be there but I will!
Here is the link to the story about the conventio: Paul to hold rival event during GOP convention - Yahoo! News
Here is information on the Revolution March: Revolution March | Ron Paul .com
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Glad to see he's staying in the game. Just needs more people to get the word out.
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I'd love to go but I know I can't.
But if I had the chance I would be down there in a second.
The man is a incredible, a true Libertarian.
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Jun-11-2008, 03:11
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Is the alternative convention going to be held in the wilderness?
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Jun-11-2008, 03:27
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Hahaha, no one Loves Mr.Paul
Just kidding. I would have voted for him. 
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This should look like a VERY bad Star Trek convention.....
Have a good one! 
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Jun-11-2008, 17:50
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This should look like a VERY bad Star Trek convention.....
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Thats a pretty assinine statement and totally uncalled for generalization.
"Have a Good one!" 
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Jun-11-2008, 19:23
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What exactly is it that makes you constantly attack Ron Paul P4B? Even if you don't agree with his policies, he's the one politician who isn't slimy and power hungry, believe it or not he has the peoples interest at heart. Every time I've seen him interviewed he has spoken truthfully.
BTW many economists agree with his policies and say that right now, what you're voting for, will have catastrophic consequences for your economy.
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Jun-12-2008, 01:57
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What is the sound of one hand clapping?
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Jun-12-2008, 15:58
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Thats a pretty assinine statement and totally uncalled for generalization.
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Really? Well explain to me how a candidate can win every "text in" vote on the primary debates but lose so horribly come the election? And also, "tin foil hats" refers to the conspiracy click...check out Prison Planet and Info Wars for the candidate of choice.
Seems to me that the "texters" were either to young to vote or to scared to leave their moms basement. Either way the numbers tell the story...how many delegates does he have so far even with his band of followers?
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What exactly is it that makes you constantly attack Ron Paul P4B? Even if you don't agree with his policies, he's the one politician who isn't slimy and power hungry, believe it or not he has the peoples interest at heart.
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A politician that isn't power hungry? Since when?
He speaks of fiscal responsibility but yet gets earmarks for millions that goes for the shrimping industy...one of his major backers by the way. Seems slimy to me but hey.......
Other issues:
-Abortion....he's completely right to life and his record shows that. Agreed, McCain is in the same boat but at least he doesn't evade the question...that isn't a big confirmation for McCain either! I personally believe in a womans right to choose.
-Military....bring ALL the troops home from across the world? Abandoning ALL of our allies across the world would DEFINATELY have serious effects on us here at some point. Not to mention the chaos that would persue.
Let Asia, the Middle East, etc...go into a state of termoil, American buisiness interests being destroyed in them areas.....this won't have any effect on us here?
-We had 9-11 coming?....Screw that! This is NOT the type of attitude that I want our President to have!!
-Revert back to the gold standard....I don't think there is an economist around that would agree with that considering that most of the world is pegged to the U.S. dollar. This is a world economy now whether the isolationalists like it or not.
-Medical Marijuana....I'll give him props for that but that SURE doesn't override his shortcomings.
Have a good one!
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I am also pro-choice, but honestly waht do you expect? The man delivered over a thousand babies! He has a record of not being a hipocrit, and him speaking publicly that his personal views of being pro-choice would not make him change abortion laws which is what he has always clearly stated that things like that the fed should not infringe on. There are countless economists who have spoken about the Gold standard being far superior, sounds like you have been watching to much CNN. I guess we just differ in opinions PFB, I just cannot imagine less taxes, smaller government and more civil liberty to be a bad thing and I dont see any candidate right now in support of all those things other then Ron Paul. The best you can do is come up that he has taken money from the shrimpboat industry, how about naming some of the other candidates backers?! The last thing im worried about is that hes backed by the stinkin SHRIMPBOAT industry, comon man! The Shrimping industry here has been going down for years and he has always fought for the industry so people would stop buying the cheap-stuff from the other asian countries, I cant and wont blame him for that.
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Jun-12-2008, 19:20
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one of his major backers by the way. Seems slimy to me but hey.......
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Who are you referring to? His campaign was grass roots funded by normal people. He had more support from soldiers than any other candidate.
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-Abortion....he's completely right to life and his record shows that. Agreed, McCain is in the same boat but at least he doesn't evade the question...that isn't a big confirmation for McCain either! I personally believe in a womans right to choose.
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He has said, and I'm not going to dig the video up, that his personal opinion on the subject is pro-life, however he would make it a state issue and he wouldn't influence one way or the other.
There are of course circumstances that require abortion (says Ron Paul as well) people will call me old fashioned but I believe that you don't mess with nature, you mentioned that it is a woman’s right to choose, of course the unborn child should just accept that
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• 25.5% Want to postpone childbearing
• 21.3% Cannot afford a baby
• 14.1% Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy
• 12.2% Too young (sometimes valid); parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy
• 10.8% Having a child will disrupt education or job
• 7.9% Want no (more) children
• 3.3% Risk to foetal health (valid)
• 2.8% Risk to maternal health (valid)
• 2.1% Other
According to a 1987 study that included specific data about late abortions (i.e. abortions “at 16 or more weeks' gestation”) women reported that various reasons contributed to their having a late abortion:
- 2% a fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
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All of those excuses, except the valid ones, are really just people that don’t want responsibility, but this belongs in another thread.
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-Military....bring ALL the troops home from across the world? Abandoning ALL of our allies across the world would DEFINATELY have serious effects on us here at some point. Not to mention the chaos that would persue.
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Ok you would prefer to keep bombing the middle east and keep accepting the inevitable refugees who could grow bitter towards the west and bomb us from within?
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We had 9-11 coming?....Screw that! This is NOT the type of attitude that I want our President to have!!
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Well if you keep doing what you’re doing then no one will ever retaliate, right sound logic.
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-Revert back to the gold standard....I don't think there is an economist around that would agree with that considering that most of the world is pegged to the U.S. dollar. This is a world economy now whether the isolationalists like it or not.
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History is against you, history is on the side of hard money, if you look at stable prices then you have to look to the only historic sound money that’s lasted more than a few years. Fiat money always ends, gold is the only currency where you can get stable prices, for instance in the last 3 to 4 years the price of oil has tripled a barrel of oil, 20, 30 dollars up to 100 dollars, and yet if you look at the price of oil in terms to gold its absolutely flat, absolutely stable so if we want stable prices we have to have stable money, but I cannot see how we can continue to deliberately destroy the value of money as an economic value.
YouTube - Ron Paul Schools Ben Bernanke Yet Again 2-27-08 I took that from this video.
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Academics for Ron Paul
I’ll dig up some more info later.
Rep. Ronald Ernest Paul: Strict Constitutionalist, Doctor, Congressman, Author, Air Force Veteran, Economist. You will rue the day you didn’t listen 
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Making abortion a state issue is a terrible idea.
Women will get abortions no matter what. If a woman lives in a state where it's illegal, and can not find transport to a state where it is, the chance is high of her seeking an illegal abortion. The chances of the illegal abortion having the same sanitary conditions and safety levels are usually slim.
This is a womens health and safety issue, plain and simple.
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Why is it a terrible idea? The state decides. Quite frankly it’s not like birth control doesn't exist. Having an abortion 16 weeks in is quite disgusting IMHO.
Today having kids is not a blessing anymore, what has caused this shift in thinking, Greed? In the past, people had more kids with less money. Having children is probably the best thing that can happen to someone (not from experience, I'm 19).
I agree that illegal abortion would be gruesome but I don't think that would happen in this day and age as much as it did in the past. In the past they were a lot poorer, there wasn’t any birth control and not to mention women often died during labour.
I think abortion is almost encouraged nowadays, I think abortion should be the last resort.
One of the problems with abortion is future sterility. The chance of not being able to have children increases after an abortion.
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Why is it a terrible idea? The state decides. Quite frankly it’s not like birth control doesn't exist. Having an abortion 16 weeks in is quite disgusting IMHO.
Today having kids is not a blessing anymore, what has caused this shift in thinking, Greed? In the past, people had more kids with less money. Having children is probably the best thing that can happen to someone (not from experience, I'm 19).
I agree that illegal abortion would be gruesome but I don't think that would happen in this day and age as much as it did in the past. In the past they were a lot poorer, there wasn’t any birth control and not to mention women often died during labour.
I think abortion is almost encouraged nowadays, I think abortion should be the last resort.
One of the problems with abortion is future sterility. The chance of not being able to have children increases after an abortion.
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Birth control fails, rape happens, there are lots of circumstances that don't fit "well they should've used a condom!".
There are many people who never want kids, myself and my partner included. It has NOTHING to do with greed, I just know kids aren't for me. I don't feel like I need to have kids to have a complete and fulfilling life. Having a child is by no means the best thing that could happen to me, I see it as one of the worst. I have nothing against kids , I love my nephews, but I never want to be a mother.
Arguing abortion with a pro-lifer isn't something I'm willing to do anymore, because it's not an argument that either side will EVER agree on. I'm just going to agree to disagree because we obviously are on very different ends of the spectrum on this one.
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For some reason i wasent able to edit my post, i had a type in a sentence where i stated ron paul as being pro-choice where i meant to put pro-life (as the sentence would suggest), smokin some good stuff tonight sorry 
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Jun-12-2008, 21:15
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The best you can do is come up that he has taken money from the shrimpboat industry, how about naming some of the other candidates backers?! The last thing im worried about is that hes backed by the stinkin SHRIMPBOAT industry, comon man! The Shrimping industry here has been going down for years and he has always fought for the industry so people would stop buying the cheap-stuff from the other asian countries, I cant and wont blame him for that.
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I'm completely against earmarks of any sort....likewise, when a politician benifits from these earmarks I consider that on the verge of illegal. At the very least, this isn't the act of a "fiscal conservative".
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-Revert back to the gold standard....I don't think there is an economist around that would agree with that considering that most of the world is pegged to the U.S. dollar. This is a world economy now whether the isolationalists like it or not.
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Wait, what?
Any economist worth his salt understands that reverting back to the gold standard would be the best thing to do for the sake of the value of the dollar. How anyone can say that backing a currency with gold would be a bad idea is a complete mystery to me. Let me get this straight, you want a FIAT currency to remain in place, a currency based on consumer FAITH ALONE, instead of a currency backed by a VALUED MATERIAL that is exchangeable for the currency?
Not to mention all the countries that back the dollar (of course, ours included) are essentially getting taxed everytime they purchase crude oil. Quite literally for every 1% drop in the dollar's value, crude goes up $4. So basically, all the countries that operate under a different currency system are getting a rebate on crude oil, which does not help the price at all.
I'd love to see a comment from you about this when crude hits 200/bbl and gold is at 1600/oz. Because trust me, this will happen, and the terrible value of the dollar will account for it.
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