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View Poll Results: Do You Think John McCain Represents “Change”?
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McCain represents a change for the better.
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McCain represents no change at all.
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McCain represents a change for the worse.
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Jun-11-2008, 12:19
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Do You Think John McCain Represents “Change”?
In an election where a vast majority of people think the country is on the wrong track, it’s to be expected that politicians will try to present themselves as representing “change.” Barack Obama has presented himself as representing “change you can believe in.” John McCain is in a more difficult position because he is in the incumbent party, but he has countered that he represents the right kind of change.
Some think that John McCain will be a much more bipartisan president than this current administration. Some think that he will be much more moderate as well. Some think he will be a lot more focused and competent in the way he conducts the Iraq war. Some think he will abolish the torture and other abuses of suspected terrorist detainees that have occurred during this administration. Some think he will be more fiscally responsible than the current administration. Some point to a record of campaign finance reform and lobbyist reform and think he will bring greater accountability to our election system.
Others have called just an attempt to jump on the “change” bandwagon. Some think John McCain will just continue the same exact polices that the current administration has followed --- some call it George Bush’s third term. Some think that all politicians answer to the same masters and nothing ever changes. They don’t think a McCain presidency will change anything.
And others have agreed that McCain represents change, but change in the wrong direction. Some believe he is too moderate and represents a change away from conservative principles that they admire in the current administration. Some think his pro-life commitments are not strong enough. Some think his campaign finance and lobbyist reforms go too far. Some question his commitment to a policy of low taxes.
So what do you think? Does John McCain represent change? Also be sure to answer the same question about Barack Obama in the Obama thread. Do You Think Barack Obama Represents “Change”?
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Jun-11-2008, 12:36
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Firstly I think people should be looking at far more reasons than MMJ to vote or not vote for someone. There is much more going on in the world than marijuana. While I don't agree with his stance I feel it's important to develop a stronger dollar. Something I believe Obama is not capable of doing. Even if it is done it will be another bubble just like during the Clinton Administration.
McCain has historically clashed with other republicans due to his moderate views. He is not a typical conservative as everyone would have you believe.
Take a look at his history and voting record. He has been known to show bipartisan support and it is only recently, which if people look beyond what's infront of them then this will be obvious, that he has starting taking more conservative stances.
Of course he's going to change his alignment.. he is trying to win his party over. As it stands right now many of the staunch conservatives do not like McCain. To suggest that he's another George W. Bush when he has decades upon decades showing otherwise is ridiculous.
While I don't think McCain is going to be a great president I have to say I feel he will probably be a stronger President than Obama.
Obama is naive and idealistic. While ideals are great, they only work if you can back them up through experience and hard work; which Obama has displayed that he lacks both (short career and the guy doesn't even show up to vote.)
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Jun-11-2008, 12:54
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I think John McCain represents a change for the better, but mostly because the Bush admnistration has been SO BAD.
I think McCain would be more bipartisan than Bush in his approach to the opposition party.
I think he would be far more fiscally responsible than Bush, who has nearly bankrupted this country.
I think he would be more competent in conducting the war, even though he doesn't really represent any change in policy on the war. Instead of this half-committed, let-it-bleed Bush appraoch, I think McCain would either go all out, or he would get out.
I prefer McCain's more moderate kind of Republican style over Bush's ultra-conservative style. I think he wouldn't be as beholden to the religious right as Bush was.
I think he would end the torture of suspected terrorists.
At this point I am going to vote for Obama, but I think McCain would represent a positive change away from some of the things I have hated most about the Bush adminstration. He would not be a complete disaster like Bush was.
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I think John McCain represents a change for the better, but mostly because the Bush admnistration has been SO BAD.
I think McCain would be more bipartisan than Bush in his approach to the opposition party.
I think he would be far more fiscally responsible than Bush, who has nearly bankrupted this country.
I think he would be more competent in conducting the war, even though he doesn't really represent any change in policy on the war. Instead of this half-committed, let-it-bleed Bush appraoch, I think McCain would either go all out, or he would get out.
I prefer McCain's more moderate kind of Republican style over Bush's ultra-conservative style. I think he wouldn't be as beholden to the religious right as Bush was.
I think he would end the torture of suspected terrorists.
At this point I am going to vote for Obama, but I think McCain would represent a positive change away from some of the things I have hated most about the Bush adminstration. He would not be a complete disaster like Bush was.
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Agreed, but you have to admit it does feel like both candidates are pretty weak 
I wish I could've lived in the days when Republicans actually stood for what the Republican party meant and when Democrats did the same.
United we stand? What ever happened to that saying that we stamp on our monetary and is in our pledge of allegiance.
We've strayed so far in such a short time.
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I put a sticky on your poll for ya.....it'll be lifted either at your request or if 30 days have past with no response.
By the way, great thead!  Should generate some good debate..... 
Have a good one! 
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Jun-11-2008, 13:35
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I think John McCain represents a change for the better, but mostly because the Bush admnistration has been SO BAD.
I think McCain would be more bipartisan than Bush in his approach to the opposition party.
I think he would be far more fiscally responsible than Bush, who has nearly bankrupted this country.
I think he would be more competent in conducting the war, even though he doesn't really represent any change in policy on the war. Instead of this half-committed, let-it-bleed Bush appraoch, I think McCain would either go all out, or he would get out.
I prefer McCain's more moderate kind of Republican style over Bush's ultra-conservative style. I think he wouldn't be as beholden to the religious right as Bush was.
I think he would end the torture of suspected terrorists.
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We agree? I'll be back after I check my pulse... 
Have a good one! 
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I put a sticky on your poll for ya.....it'll be lifted either at your request or if 30 days have past with no response.
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Thanks! I think we'll get some good discussion out of these.
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Ha ha! I hope you recover from your heart attack! Remember, Barack Obama has a plan to be sure you have the health insurance you need!
Seriously though, I'm pretty middle-of-the-road on a lot of issues, and McCain is more moderate than he will protray himself for the election. I can respect him and see his good sides. But I'm supporting Obama, so that's probably the last time you'll hear me say anything like that until after McCain concedes in November!
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Ha ha! I hope you recover from your heart attack! Remember, Barack Obama has a plan to be sure you have the health insurance you need!
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Just got back from the E.R.....seems I'll live.
He may have a plan but I'm sure $9.00/gal. gas is in that plan; the way it is in other countries that pay to play.
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Seriously though, I'm pretty middle-of-the-road on a lot of issues, and McCain is more moderate than he will protray himself for the election. I can respect him and see his good sides. But I'm supporting Obama, so that's probably the last time you'll hear me say anything like that until after McCain concedes in November!
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Believe it or not I'm in a similar position: I'm for abortion, legalizing ALL recreational drugs, pro-gay marriage, pro-med. m.j., pro-Gitmo, and torture when it could be vital. Not very "McCainish" but my other views, which I feel are more important at the time, are FAR from Obama.
ONCE AGAIN we are in a situation of not who we're voting for but who we're voting against.
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McCain represents no change at all.
I absolutely cannot stand him. Right now the only reason I am voting for him is that I hate Obama more.
He's poked Republicans in the eye every chance he has got. He had some good social views that I could agree with but then when he was elected he changed them all so that people would vote for him. It's fucked up. I do agree with some of his stuff though, like no socialised healthcare, guns, the border, and the war.
We need a Libertarian in there.
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I need change. John McCain will keep me suffering. Nothing would change.
I need change.
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He doesn't represent change at all, he claims he does. He should retire and save some of his money, he wouldn't want to get ill and pay a billion dollars for healthcare.
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He doesn't represent change at all, he claims he does. He should retire and save some of his money, he wouldn't want to get ill and pay a billion dollars for healthcare.
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Here in America most employers.. MOST... will pay for your health insurance. You might have to pay some small fee $20-$100 monthly for an individual, but at least we're not being taxed 50% or more unlike other Socialized governments where yes, everyone has medical care, but it takes forever to see a doctor.
I have canadian friends that travel into the United States to recieve healthcare.
Now if we're talking about pharmaceutical companies then I would have to agree. They are overpriced and seem to find new ways to undermine the American people to steal their money.
I find it funny how many people talk so much crap about America and the Social programs or lack there of that we have; yet when someone needs military help they welcome us with open arms.. then proceed to continue to talk crap when it's over.
I am not a fan of socialized services. I don't believe I should be punished for someone elses inability to get health insurance. In addition we have government funded programs such as Medicaid and Medicare (which I am familiar with as my brother, being handicapped, recieves government health care)... and in Texas I believe we even have a state funded program in addition to that. They are not the best but to be honest I bet they're at least on par with other socialized forms of healthcare in other countries.
If everyone is equal then who get's to ever see a doctor.. and if everyone is getting this service free of charge then who is paying for it?
Socialized programs have their own issues that you must acknowledge.
We actually have alot of programs here in America; most of which we've made sure my brother has gotten or is eligible for. I feel most of the complaint of the American people is out of laziness. It took time to get all these programs for my brother but we did get them, and we don't pay anything for his healthcare.
Sorry that we don't hand out services, we do require some effort on the people's part which I feel deters alot of people who don't truely need it and are capable of providing for themselves.
Remember when you point your finger at someone there are 3 more that are pointed right back at you :P.
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Here in America most employers.. MOST... will pay for your health insurance. You might have to pay some small fee $20-$100 monthly for an individual, but at least we're not being taxed 50% or more unlike other Socialized governments where yes, everyone has medical care, but it takes forever to see a doctor.
I have canadian friends that travel into the United States to recieve healthcare.
Now if we're talking about pharmaceutical companies then I would have to agree. They are overpriced and seem to find new ways to undermine the American people to steal their money.
I find it funny how many people talk so much crap about America and the Social programs or lack there of that we have; yet when someone needs military help they welcome us with open arms.. then proceed to continue to talk crap when it's over.
I am not a fan of socialized services. I don't believe I should be punished for someone elses inability to get health insurance. In addition we have government funded programs such as Medicaid and Medicare (which I am familiar with as my brother, being handicapped, recieves government health care)... and in Texas I believe we even have a state funded program in addition to that. They are not the best but to be honest I bet they're at least on par with other socialized forms of healthcare in other countries.
If everyone is equal then who get's to ever see a doctor.. and if everyone is getting this service free of charge then who is paying for it?
Socialized programs have their own issues that you must acknowledge.
We actually have alot of programs here in America; most of which we've made sure my brother has gotten or is eligible for. I feel most of the complaint of the American people is out of laziness. It took time to get all these pro | | |
