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Why are most human being politically driven/controlled?
The subject says it all.
I dont understand why "we" must be so politically biased, not for liberals or conservatives, but for politics itself.
we seem to always have to have some sort of political scheme about us.
why do politics rule the world, and why does the world allow it?
IF i could, i would live out in the middle of nowhere in a remote tribal village that the "civilized" world knew nothing about!
nowhere in america like that, far as i know.
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IF i could, i would live out in the middle of nowhere in a remote tribal village that the "civilized" world knew nothing about!
nowhere in america like that, far as i know.
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Every tribal set up has a "leader"....now your back into politics.
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Jul-10-2008, 23:03
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Every tribal set up has a "leader"....now your back into politics.
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The difference being that dissenters can be exiled to freedom, whereas in "the civilized" world they are exiled to prison... 
Something tells me that the industrial revolution has a lot to do with things, but on the side note, i do understand how politics play a part in everything, big and small, it is just that i am very dissatisfied with a lot of the political crap that is going on right now, and has been for the last 8 years.
that and the whole prohibition thing for the last 70 years... which is accomplishing more harm than good, and yet gets by uninhibited... i think that's the major deal for me, that i cannot, and refuse to tolerate. if i knew how it was able to BE that way, i could try to make a change... but none of it makes sense from where i am standing.
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Jul-11-2008, 06:41
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The difference being that dissenters can be exiled to freedom, whereas in "the civilized" world they are exiled to prison...
Something tells me that the industrial revolution has a lot to do with things, but on the side note, i do understand how politics play a part in everything, big and small, it is just that i am very dissatisfied with a lot of the political crap that is going on right now, and has been for the last 8 years. |
8 years? Well, make that about 30 for me and it's probably more for members that are older than me....if that's possible. LOL
On military issues I'd be considered as far right and for other issues such as drugs, abortion, and gay marriage, just to name a few, I'm far left. I recall Clintons first term; "Ya I toked but didn't inhale"....Gores response; "I did inhale". I thought HELL YEAH but wtf happened? One of the largest esculations of the war on drugs that we've seen from these hypocritical pricks! 
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that and the whole prohibition thing for the last 70 years... which is accomplishing more harm than good, and yet gets by uninhibited... i think that's the major deal for me, that i cannot, and refuse to tolerate. if i knew how it was able to BE that way, i could try to make a change... but none of it makes sense from where i am standing.
maybe you can tell me where to stand to make sense of it all.
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Unlike most politicians or some of the brainwashed people that support a candidate (no matter how big of an assclown they are) just hold to YOUR beliefs no matter how popular or not! Since I support the war on terror and the removal of Saddam I've been accused in here of being anti-medical m.j. and working for the GOP! Typical one party line bullshit from people that probably don't have a bag in their house and/or have never even tried to grow their own crop. "I don't see how a republican backer can say they are for marijuana"....I've gotten stupid ass comments like this not to mention rep on this order. So what political party has exclusive rights to ALL m.j. users? If you smoke pot now you have to back a certain party because of it? Get a grip!! 
Fact is that as unpopular my opinion is in here on the right wing issues, my opinion is about as popular about legalization of all drugs in "real life". I REFUSE to piss in anybodys cup for tests and when discussions about issues happen with my "peers" I hold true to my beliefs whether they like it or not. I may not be climbing up the social ladder in my area but at least I'm not a hypocrit or living in fear of what others think. With that, my bills are still all paid and I live a comfortable life. HOLD TRUE TO YOURSELF!! 
Check out the forums here on medical marijuana and activism; there is a movement and progress IS being made but we're fighting against a system. In my humble opinion we have ONE major issue with our government that won't change unless there is a ballot on a national election: term limits for both Congress and Senate. What have these 10, 20,30 year candidates done for YOU lately?
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Jul-11-2008, 08:16
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so.... politics is all jsut a huge god fucking damned popularity party!
GET A FUCKING GRIP IS RIGHT!
Politics should not hold so much weight over everything when a nation becomes so diverse, in fact politically, we should be as diverse as our PEOPLE.
PEOPLE is what it is all about, but not to those in charge, for them it is money, prestige, and power. and yet...! there doesnt seem to be a damned thing a guy like me or you can DO about it.
I TRY to stay a good 500 miles from politics, but when it hits you in the private sanctuary of your own free will, it's hard not to want to suicide bomb people!
all i care about in life is simplicity, to be most honest.
Grow my pot for food, clothing, shelter, and recreation, grow my own fruits and vegetables, and THAT'S ALL FOLKS!
NOWHERE left on american soil that one can do that as near as i can discern. and the cost of relocating is so far beyond my means that i MIGHT AS WELL consider suicide bombing the white house!
NOT that i would, because despite how shitty the quality of it seems right now, i still value my life. but still!
WHERE can i get a job? NOWHERE, CAN i go to college?! I DONT KNOW. what good will it do for me, to abandon my dream of a simple life anyways? i could try college, become successful at something and make tons of money, but i would find no happiness in that when all i want is sustainment, entertainment, and sleep.
and not entertainment via media, get real, i want to be able to wake up in the morning and look around and see nature, trees, mountains, water, LIFE. not all this incessant rat race designed concrete and steel. i feel trapped in politics with no way out. no way to be free, to be independent.
P.S. there should be term limits on EVERY political field and document. we're supposed to be a diverse, independent, FREE nation.... cant do that when ANYONE has the capacity to abuse their power.
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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
The subject says it all.
I dont understand why "we" must be so politically biased, not for liberals or conservatives, but for politics itself.
we seem to always have to have some sort of political scheme about us.
why do politics rule the world, and why does the world allow it?
IF i could, i would live out in the middle of nowhere in a remote tribal village that the "civilized" world knew nothing about!
nowhere in america like that, far as i know.
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-IN MY OPINION-
No matter how much we have covered up our natural selfs and transformed into what society has driven upon us since birth. We still have the need to fight, kill, steal, etc. Man with what we understand must be controlled in order for us to live the way we do in society today. Theirs a down to every up in life. Without order there would be chaos, people do not abide by laws in large groups with law, what about without law. I am aginst all the government has done in todays era but even know there may be corruption, in order to have civilized society you must have a higher power to re-think on when making action, not everyones a kind soul.
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NATURE is the ONLY "higher" power i know, acknowledge, or accept!
MAN IS MAN; you are no higher or lower than i or anyone else, and to think such is to tell me you want me to kill you.
IN my absolute MOST HONEST opinion that is.
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Originally Posted by SFGurrilla
-IN MY OPINION-
No matter how much we have covered up our natural selfs and transformed into what society has driven upon us since birth. We still have the need to fight, kill, steal, etc. Man with what we understand must be controlled in order for us to live the way we do in society today. Theirs a down to every up in life. Without order there would be chaos, people do not abide by laws in large groups with law, what about without law. I am aginst all the government has done in todays era but even know there may be corruption, in order to have civilized society you must have a higher power to re-think on when making action, not everyones a kind soul.
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There is chaos right now. Law and order isn't going to help you when you're confronted by some thug, everyone should carry a gun because law abiding citizens far out number criminals and if everyone was armed it would be a hell of a lot harder to rape, rob and murder.
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The reason there is politics is that human beings are social animals that gather in groups and naturally form hierarchies and power structures. Even a group as small as two people has "politics."
But it sounds like your problem is not politics:
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all i care about in life is simplicity, to be most honest.
Grow my pot for food, clothing, shelter, and recreation, grow my own fruits and vegetables, and THAT'S ALL FOLKS!
NOWHERE left on american soil that one can do that as near as i can discern. and the cost of relocating is so far beyond my means that i MIGHT AS WELL consider suicide bombing the white house!
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If all you want is simplicity, and to be left to do you own thing for the most part and live your own self-sustaining life, then there are PLENTY of places to go. Northern California is full of communities where people do that. Sounds like you are just right for Mendocino or Humboldt county.
There are plenty of things wrong with politics, but preventing you from living a simple life is not one of them. Sounds more to me like you just don't know what to do with your life. |
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I'd like to point out that in a tribal system, exile is a brief increase in freedom, followed by almost certain death by starvation, exposure, or at the hands of other tribal peoples who recognize you as an outcast and distrust you as such. If it were possible for humans to survive alone in the wild, with our unprotected thin hides, blunt teeth, vulnerable torsos, inefficient method of locomotion (the human knee is actually backwards to what it would be were we built to run faster), and complete lack of fangs, claws, tusks, armor plates, venom, ink sacs, or noxious sprays... I think politics would be moot, as society would simply not exist.
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Jul-11-2008, 14:13
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I'd like to point out that in a tribal system, exile is a brief increase in freedom, followed by almost certain death by starvation, exposure, or at the hands of other tribal peoples who recognize you as an outcast and distrust you as such. If it were possible for humans to survive alone in the wild, with our unprotected thin hides, blunt teeth, vulnerable torsos, inefficient method of locomotion (the human knee is actually backwards to what it would be were we built to run faster), and complete lack of fangs, claws, tusks, armor plates, venom, ink sacs, or noxious sprays... I think politics would be moot, as society would simply not exist.
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our greatest weakness... and yet! it is our greatest strength, through martial arts and tools.
we may not be built for long periods of speed, but in a short instant, a fraction of a second, we can move with snake like swiftness, which is enough to, at the very least, stun an attacker, giving us the chance to run. and since speed times force equals power, a small muscle can produce a huge sting if it moves fast enough.
FRANKLY, the human body is not meant to be lethargic by any means, but it is meant to be constantly active. and it is in constant activity that we become toughened up to a lot of the elements.
it doesnt take much effort to create our own "exoappendages", where we lack claws and fangs we make up for in knives and spears. it isnt hard to use the environment to our advantage, whereas it is more difficult for some animals to use certain aspects of the environment, we can use almost all of it.
IN any case, however, you are right, other tribes and the elements will eventually get to us, if not both.
FRANKLY politics REALLY shouldnt exceed a small area of influence, and should be integral, not stark and different between neighbors. say, a township sized political influence should be the largest influence of any political group, and all towns around it are similar with their own gradual differences until you reach the other side of the country where it is, or could be, completely polar opposite. that way if you are exhiled from your "tribe" or community, you can just go to your neighbor, and find a place where you fit in better, rather than being completely shunned by everyone around you, or just plain killed.
this is a MUST if we are going to continue to be a diverse nation of art and culture... if we ever were...
i dunno, im still thinking we were supposed to be the free nation where the whole world could fit in, and yet we arent, rather we're trying to change the whole world to suit us.
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I don't believe anyone is in 100% agreement with the policies and actions of any political party.
In the UK
The Lib Dems will legalise pot but I don't like thier attitude to crime.
The Conservative party want a harder line taken on crime which I agree with but they are against the legalisation of pot.
The Labour party is simply incompetant in my eyes.
Goverment has become too large and too powerful and the issues they deal with are ridiculous , the gov decides how big your house should be , how high the trees in your garden can be , the maximum speed that your car can go.
Thats just a small selection of all the BS that gets "debated" every day in every department , no wonder we are taxed to the hilt for the pleasure of being told what we can eat , how much it should cost and how it must be advertised.
I could go on but it just bores me after a while.
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it bores you while it infuriates me... you're really the lucky one in that regard...
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There is chaos right now. Law and order isn't going to help you when you're confronted by some thug, everyone should carry a gun because law abiding citizens far out number criminals and if everyone was armed it would be a hell of a lot harder to rape, rob and murder.
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...well...we can go back to the Wild Wild West days.... |
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Actually, the per-capita murder rate in the "Wild West" was lower than in the "civilized" East, where in many cases the carrying of concealed weapons had already been made illegal. Why? Here's the enlightenment - people who would do violent crime don't really care about the law.
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Actually, the per-capita murder rate in the "Wild West" was lower than in the "civilized" East, where in many cases the carrying of concealed weapons had already been made illegal. Why? Here's the enlightenment - people who would do violent crime don't really care about the law.
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"Anarchy" as a means to be free, rather than utter chaos, is the true human society.
EVERY government is JUST ANOTHER FORM of anarchy.
democracy, representation, monarchy, these are just different forms of controlled chaos, just different forms of anarchy with a leader, or leaders.
LET US ALL be in control of our destinies. we must fight it, and yet we wont. nothing short of a major fuck up will rouse anyone to their feet, hell to their ASSES.
EVERYONE is so comfortably numb that they ignore EVERYTHING that is WRONG with the world!
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