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US sets nuclear deadline for Iran
This is the same stuff that the Bush administration did with Iraq. God help us.
Iran must decide between confrontation and co-operation in the dispute over its nuclear plans, the US has warned.
At talks in Geneva, envoys from the US, EU and UN asked Iran to suspend its uranium enrichment in return for a pledge not to introduce new sanctions.
Iran gave no guarantees it would halt its activities, so the diplomats gave Tehran two weeks to provide an answer.
The meeting was the first time US and Iranian officials have held face-to-face talks on the nuclear issue.
Senior US official William Burns was present at the Geneva talks - although he made no public comment.
Instead, state department spokesman Sean McCormack issued a strongly-worded statement in Washington.
"We hope the Iranian people understand that their leaders need to make a choice between co-operation, which would bring benefits to all, and confrontation, which can only lead to further isolation," he said.
'New opportunity'
Mr McCormack added that Mr Burns had delivered a "clear simple message" that Washington was "serious" about the incentives package but that it would only negotiate with Iran if it upheld its side of the deal.
Diplomats had hoped that Iran would respond to a so-called "freeze-for-freeze" offer, under which a freeze of Iran's uranium enrichment programme at its current levels would be matched by a Western pledge not to strengthen sanctions on Tehran.
"It was a constructive meeting, but still we didn't get the answer to our questions," EU envoy Javier Solana told reporters.
"We hope very much we get the answer and we hope it will be done in a couple of weeks," he said.
Mr Solana said he had agreed with Iran's chief negotiator, Saeed Jalili, to speak again either by telephone or personally in two weeks.
The BBC's Jon Leyne in Tehran says Iran is interested in the offer but it is unclear whether there are divisions in the leadership or the Iranians are playing for time.
Mr Jalili said he had put forward many positive ideas and he urged Western powers not turn away from negotiations.
"This package we have proposed contains a number of possibilities. In a nutshell, it is a new opportunity which should not be lost."
But doubt was cast over the value of the talks, after a member of the Iranian delegation said there was "no chance" of a freeze on the uranium-enrichment programme.
Iran says its nuclear facilities are designed to meet its energy needs, denying that it has a weapons programme.
But Tehran's continued activity is defying UN Security Council demands to halt enrichment.
Rising tensions
In addition to the EU, Iranian and US envoys, the talks in Geneva's city hall were attended by representatives from Britain, China, France, Germany and Russia.
The US and Iran have had no diplomatic relations since the 1979 Iranian Revolution and the taking of hostages at the US embassy in Tehran.
Formal contact between the two countries has been extremely limited, though last year they met at ambassadorial level to discuss security in Iraq.
The meeting came after weeks of rising tensions in the Middle East.
The Iranians test-fired missiles last week, and a series of threats and counter-threats between Iran and Israel has been watched nervously in the West.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | US sets nuclear deadline for Iran
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At talks in Geneva, envoys from the US, EU and UN asked Iran to suspend its uranium enrichment in return for a pledge not to introduce new sanctions.
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What a warm and fuzzy euphamism for blackmail.
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What a warm and fuzzy euphamism for blackmail.
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Howdy Gandalf,
Speakin of blackmail,do ya reckon that if Iran does build some nukes,will they engage in nuclear blackmail ?
Have a good one ... 
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Jul-20-2008, 07:48
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Torog, I heard that you live in mineral wells, I work out there on my grampa's farm everyday, well actually in Cool, population 243.
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Jul-20-2008, 12:28
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Howdy Gandalf,
Speakin of blackmail,do ya reckon that if Iran does build some nukes,will they engage in nuclear blackmail ?
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The same people you entrust with your freedom, are the ones who don't want you to have freedom in the first place. Its a Catch 22. We can't have any intellectual speakers in the Bush Administration. Dissent equals death now.
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Jul-20-2008, 12:51
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Howdy Gandalf,
Speakin of blackmail,do ya reckon that if Iran does build some nukes,will they engage in nuclear blackmail ?
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Hard to say. US media loves to paint the Iranian government as insane fanatics without a bit of common sense or strategy. In reality they're as cunning as any government and smart enough to know that if you fire some nukes, more are comin' back your way. So far Iran has claimed that their nuclear technology is for energy purposes, and there's as yet no evidence to the contrary; only fear over the possible.
I fail to see what right America has to demand that Iran have no nuclear energy, or weapons, when both are plentiful in the United States. I can only imagine if China or Russia were putting sanctions on America, treatening war, unless you all abandon all your nuclear energy and weapons. I get the feeling that such demands suddenly wouldn't feel so reasonable.
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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
Hard to say. US media loves to paint the Iranian government as insane fanatics without a bit of common sense or strategy. In reality they're as cunning as any government and smart enough to know that if you fire some nukes, more are comin' back your way.
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WWIII = 2 MESSIAHS AT WAR
J. Grant Swank, Jr.
Iran’s messiah will return again to rule in universal peace. Iran must drop the bomb to bring it about. Islam’s messianic return can only occur when the globe is in chaos—plagues, suffering, utter turmoil.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad believes that Mahdi, Muhammad ibn Hasan, will come back to this globe. He is the spiritual descendant of Prophet Mohammed, having disappeared as the 12th Imam. That was in the 9th century when the messiah was only 5 years old.
The Islamic messiah is waiting in the wings for apocalyptic anguish to envelop the globe. Then he will pierce the skies to reign upon Earth.
The Iranian President is not the only one who holds to this cultic creed. This is the belief of the chief sect, “the Twelvers,” within Iran’s Muslim population.
Mosquewatch.blogspot.com: <strong>WWIII = 2 MESSIAHS AT WAR</strong>
This country is ran by Mullahs and their puppets.....I trust the peoples judgement regarding nuclear bombs but not the ones that would have their fingers on the magic button.
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Jul-20-2008, 17:33
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But doesn't the Biblical description of the end of days say much the same thing?
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Yes it does but to now, as far as I'm aware, no western leader has stated that he is awaiting the coming of the four horsemen.
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Howdy Y'all,
GrinKyle, that's cool(no pun intended..lol  ) that yer so close to me . 
Anubis,you claim that "dissent=death row",is that a figure of speech,or have I missed the mass executions of all of the anti-wars ? Perhaps yer referring to the muslim-jihadists,who expressed their 'dissent',by attacking and destroying the WTC on 9/11/01 ?
Gandalf,you bring up an important point-that being that we should never underestimate the cunning of the enemy..we need to be mindful of such and even consider that the iranian leadership,is gitting advice and perhaps material support,from the russians on how to deliver a sucker-punch to the West.
Part of understanding the enemy,is learning what it is,that motivates them and what their final objectives are,a major part of that motivation is something that can't be reasoned with or appeased,that being religious motivators.
Have a good one ...
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Jul-23-2008, 13:48
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Gandalf,you bring up an important point-that being that we should never underestimate the cunning of the enemy..we need to be mindful of such and even consider that the iranian leadership,is gitting advice and perhaps material support,from the russians on how to deliver a sucker-punch to the West.
Part of understanding the enemy,is learning what it is,that motivates them and what their final objectives are,a major part of that motivation is something that can't be reasoned with or appeased,that being religious motivators.
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Well, in reference to your suggestion of Russia taking Iran under its wing, I think anyone who hasn't thought of that has a screw loose. And lets not forget the Chinese. OH LOOK a brand new axis of evil!!! Nice!
So now that we figured out our enemies, understanding them is key, like you said. In my personal opinion we need to understand that the enemy is fighting to be free. Fighting against occupation. And when an enemy has that for a goal, we don't stand a chance.
Just the same as if America were fighting against occupation, the enemy wouldn't stand a chance.
Just my opinion of course, but nationalism is a very dangerous factor in many wars.
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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
Hard to say. US media loves to paint the Iranian government as insane fanatics without a bit of common sense or strategy. In reality they're as cunning as any government and smart enough to know that if you fire some nukes, more are comin' back your way. So far Iran has claimed that their nuclear technology is for energy purposes, and there's as yet no evidence to the contrary; only fear over the possible.
I fail to see what right America has to demand that Iran have no nuclear energy, or weapons, when both are plentiful in the United States. I can only imagine if China or Russia were putting sanctions on America, treatening war, unless you all abandon all your nuclear energy and weapons. I get the feeling that such demands suddenly wouldn't feel so reasonable.
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LOL right with all that oil they NEED nuclear energy? We can't take away the nuclear weapons from the countries that already have nuclear programs in place but, we should try our hardest to avoid having another finger on the button. How can you believe anyone that is so delusional that he actually believes that the Holocaust is a "myth". WTF? 
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Oh yes, but not only that, apparently, dropping the bomb would bring the 12th imam back to Iran or whatever...
what a fuckin loon.
But yes, we have worked so hard for disarmament, why let a new threat in? We have big enough probs just having the amount of nukes around that we do.
Think of all the missing ones...thats what makes me scared
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Blame the US for that, don't say "we" cause you are Canadian, and they aren't to blame. We cause most of the problems we face today, and then say its our duty to make more of a mess.
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Dude. Fuck it. That's it. I say, GIVE them nuclear weapons. Shit man, if the bomb's gonna drop let's just get this over with. I'm tired of all this stupid fucking talk. I don't give a fuck what Iran wants to do. They want nukes? Go nuts. They wanna start launching them at the west? Feel free. I honestly don't care all that much. Nuclear Holocaust is inevevitable, and if you think otherwise you're really not that smart. You don't create the world's most destructive weapon and watch as half the civilized world builds thousands of them, and NOT expect shit to backfire sooner or later.
The only thing that has a better chance of wiping out humanity is a meteor or asteroid, because we can't stop them and they can drop out of the sky at any given moment.
I bet Jesus would have a fuckin' field day with this. "Those who live by the sword..."
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We can't let Iran aquire nukes. Not only for our own safety but for the safety of our allies. I believe that giving the Iranian leaders rope is going to lead to us being hanged.
And I love how some of the people here are saying that "The same people you entrust with your freedom, are the ones who don't want you to have freedom in the first place".
Oh that's rich. Who doesn't love a good conspiracy theory?
And I also love how so mnay of you doubt that the Iranian leaders WON'T use their nukes to blackmail Us and our allies (Cough Israel). You think tensions in the Middle East are bad NOW? Hahah oh geez I suppose 8 dollar gas wouldn't be THAT bad.
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Dude. Fuck it. That's it. I say, GIVE them nuclear weapons. Shit man, if the bomb's gonna drop let's just get this over with. I'm tired of all this stupid fucking talk. I don't give a fuck what Iran wants to do. They want nukes? Go nuts. They wanna start launching them at the west? Feel free. I honestly don't care all that much. Nuclear Holocaust is inevevitable, and if you think otherwise you're really not that smart. You don't create the world's most destructive weapon and watch as half the civilized world builds thousands of them, and NOT expect shit to backfire sooner or later.
The only thing that has a better chance of wiping out humanity is a meteor or asteroid, because we can't stop them and they can drop out of the sky at any given moment.
I bet Jesus would have a fuckin' field day with this. "Those who live by the sword..."
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Sir I doubt YOUR intelligence with a rash statement such as this. So just because you feel such a thing is unavoidable we should encourage the destruction of 90 percent of society? I'm sure most of the world would like to keep the "invetable" from happening. For the sake of children and adults alike.
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if one nation has a nuke, ALL nations must have nukes, otherwise someone will get jealouse of someone else and start building more nukes...
sooner or later they're going to start LAUNCHING them...
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