Originally Posted by justanotherbozo

'none are so blind as them that will not see'

Originally Posted by apocolips31

Dude, I don't know where you get off telling people that everything they say that disagrees with you is either retarded or crazy. A lot of yours posts are equally if not more insane than half the posts you comment on. If you're going to say something at least have some merit to back it up.

Originally Posted by apocolips31

Dude, I don't know where you get off telling people that everything they say that disagrees with you is either retarded or crazy. A lot of yours posts are equally if not more insane than half the posts you comment on. If you're going to say something at least have some merit to back it up.

Originally Posted by justanotherbozo

you have to let it go man, some people are so convinced they're right,
they stop listening

Originally Posted by DaBudhaStank

You do not fall in this category.




/sarcasm.

Originally Posted by bobthenuker

Agreed, in my experience on this section of the board, this applies way more to the republicans than to anyone else. It's pretty funny they think that everyone else that does not agree with them is wrong and just a crazy "liberal." And don't try to deny that, it's been proven time and time again here.

Originally Posted by daihashi

Both sides will try to insist they're right.. don't try to deny that

Originally Posted by dragonrider

I think the problem with the Ayers thing is that the McCain campaign is trying to make too much out of the connection. There just isn't much there. The notion that Obama "pals around with terrorists" is such an exageration, that you either buy it 100%, like McCain supporters seem to do, or you completely dismiss it out of hand. The truth is there is a little something there, but not much.

No one can excuse what Ayers did 40 years ago, and it would have been better if the prosecution had not blown it's case back then so the trial got thrown out. He should have served time for what he did.

Now it's 40 years in the past. Ayers may not be universally respected, considering his past, but he is certainly given a great deal of credit for the good things he has done in the past 40 years. He has enough credibility that he was asked to serve on the board of the Annenberg Project, funded by a strongly Republican family. He served on the board along with various diverse experts in education, including many prominent Republicans and Barack Obama. So I suppose if you want to say that Obama pals around with Ayers because they both served on this board, you might also have to admit that Obama pals around with the Annenbergs and a large number of prominent Chicago Republicans. And I guess those prominent Chicago Republicans also pal around with terrorists. And it makes sense too to conclude that the Annenbergs actually FUND the activities of terrorists. Perhaps Homeland Security ought to investigate the Annenbergs for their funding of terrorists!

The whole idea is stupid.

Does anyone believe in redemption? The idea that maybe someone could do something very bad, and then redeem themselves with a lifetime of good work? Apparently the Annenberg family does. Very Christian of them, if you ask me.

The idea that Obama is somehow stained by serving on the same board as Ayers is not only stupid, it is totally ineffective as a campaign strategy. No one seems to care except for those who are completely wrapped up in this election. Ordinary voters do not care. During the two weeks McCain spent hammering the topic, his poll numbers continued to drop. And from what I saw on the debate coverage on various news channels, people who watched the debate and were interviewed later felt like the Ayers topic was a waste of time, irrelevant, and confusing. It's a losing topic. With the economy burning to the ground, people look at this kind of BS and they think it is small and petty and irrelevant.

Even if it were relevant as a campaign issue, it is irrelevant to voters.

Originally Posted by bobthenuker

Indeed, I was simply making a point.

It's rather funny though how the word "liberal" just often flies around here, meant of course in a derogatory sense toward some Obama supporters.

That's politics for 'ya.

Originally Posted by daihashi

Well Majority of the people on this forum are liberal. That is undeniable also; furthermore the word liberal isn't derogatory.. it refers to people's approach to an issue. It is only offensive if you take it that way.

You don't see anyone getting upset when you call them conservative. Instead they eat it up with pride for the most part.

I am not a republican; well I would be if they actually followed the principles on which they were founded, but I would consider myself a conservative. Something which is important to differentiate.

Just as you can be liberal without being a democrat or an Obama supporter for that matter. Liberal wasn't considered negative in the 70's or early 80's.. It wasn't until people started taking offense to it that it became negative.

I say if you're liberal embrace it and be proud of it. By doing that you take power away from anyone trying to use it in a negative way.

Originally Posted by bobthenuker

buddy, buddy...we're on the same page, believe me, I just think you're really getting confused by what I'm saying. I Know that the term "liberal" isn't derogatory, just that I often see it being used in a negative connotation. Ex: liberal mumbo-jumbo, liberal jargon, etc... more often than conservative in fact...that's all I'm saying, nothing more.

Originally Posted by daihashi

Please show me where McCain has been a racist.. furthermore show me where in his campaign where he's attacked Obama as the color of his skin for the premise.

McCain is no more responsible for his supporters than Obama is responsible for his supporters rioting.
As a matter of fact the only one to make an issue of Obama's background, color of his skin or his Middle name has been Obama. If you can find me a clip of McCain doing this then I will eat my words but you'll find that you're sorely mistaken.

Did you even watch the rest of the clip where McCain defended Obama proceeding that ignorant woman?
Ignorance doesn't know party affiliation.