Al Qaida (or most other terrrorist group) exists where US intelligence dominates. Al Qaida in US when Bush needs excuse to activate Mid-east war. That is 911 attack. Al Qaida is everywhere in Iraq now to bomb innocent civilians when US occupies Iraq. Strange to say, under the Saddam regime, there was no Al Qaida. Al Qaida seems only exist where the regime being controlled by US. So we see no Al qaida in Syria and Iran. But they appears to attack ordinary people when the government either is controlled by US intelligence or supported by US intelligence. That's why you see Al Qaida attacks in US, in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, in Iraq (after it is occupied by US). Because where they are protected by the intelligence, worked as a whip to beat people. When government want money and power, they beat the people with this whip (Al Qaida terror attack) People feel hurt then give up their civil rights and money to the government. DOJ got the Patriot Act and Pentagon got budget and Mid-east war.

Take the anger you feel, multiply it by 10 and you will feel what a dusgruntal Marine feels like after being deployed to Iraq.
It amazes me how a country like America functions when 98.6% of people dont agree with the direction we are headed.

Of and FUCK THE VA!!!!!!
throwing poisonous pill after poisonous pill down the throats of people who thought they were doing something to help the cause.

In fact, Al queda is no terrorist group in my eyes. THey do not have billion dollar bombers to fight with and pay for by the us taxpayer money so they use home made bombs. Yeah it sucked having to see young girls get blown up by "terrorist" or freedom fighters, but I see where they are coming from.

I realized the error in my ways, hopefully America will do the same.

I appologize to the people of Iraq, even though I was very respectful of their customs when I was there, tried to get as many of them help as I could.
Shit, bough them soap and shampoo with the majority of my check.

People are people, everyone wants the same thing, a job, a family, some peace and quiet. We are a lot less different than we assume.

It just amazes me that we have control of Afghanistan, 90% of heroin comes there, and when Marines wanted to burn opium fields, higher ups said no.

Al Qaida is created by Pentagon and US Intelligence as a false flag target with which they squeeze money and power from people.

Quote, "Al Qaeda does not exist and never has
8/19/2004

The basic truth is that Al Qaeda does not exist and never has. Al Qaeda is a manufactured enemy who was created by the Bush Administration in order to have an excuse to wage a war for the control of the world's oil resources.

Did an American even hear the words "Al Qaeda" before 9-11? Or were we told that its alleged leader Osama Bin Laden has family who themselves have personal business relationships with George W. Bush's family and that both families had financially profited conside

Al Qaeda does not exist and never has - Pravda.Ru

"Al Qaeda" is actually "the base" - referring to the Database of Mujahideen fighters setup by the CIA to fight the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.

Robin Cook wrote about this in the Guardian shortly before his death:
Robin Cook: The struggle against terrorism cannot be won by military means | UK news | The Guardian

From the same article:
"Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west."

Just throwing in some facts - make of it what you will.

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For something to be a "fact", it generally has to be regarded as true. Bin laden never worked for the CIA, and was never funded by them. This story is a myth.

How can you be sure? I think Robin Cook (as Secretary of State) had a higher security clearance than either of us

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Using that logic, then you'd have to agree that anything George W. Bush, former president of the U.S., says has "higher security clearance" than Cook.

Seriously, there's no evidence to support the claim that bin Laden was CIA trained and supported.

LOL - you got me there BA

The CIA did supply the moojies in Afghanistan though, without that support they wouldn't have been able to lure the Soviets in - which is exactly what they did. The Russians fell for the trap and had it handed to 'em - that I'm sure we can agree on.

Who else handed them those 'handy' Stinger missiles that started swatting down Soviet Hind Gunships and Hip transports?

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It was Jimmy Carter that first started supporting them ("moojies"). The Soviets were not military "invaders" in the general sense, they were invited in by the legitimately elected government of Afghanistan. The reforms put forth by the (Marxist) Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, in the 1980’s, were disliked by Muslims. These included outlawing on beards on men, banning burqas on women, and mosques were off-limits. At least they got that right.

Not much doubt that CIA's fingerprints are all over Afghanistan and Pakistan. They have involved themselves in a lot of shady deals for decades.

well i have to say thatfrom where i sit and see things thru the fog, it seems to me that it wasnt carter or reagen or bush or clinton admins. but it goes back to just after WW2 when isreal and other mid east countrys were created. i do beleive that for decades we have been funding the ( pick one please: freedom fighters, terrorist, arab patriots, etc. etc.) but we fund them for our own interests. there is absolutly nothing at all wrong with hired help. but when that hired help is no longer useful or goes against what your ideas and beliefs are thats when you have to do something about them. think about this when russia was fighting in afghanastan they were fighting the "freedom fighters" now that we are fighting them we are fighting the "terrorists". same group of people just depends on wich side of the coin your lookin at.

the hero the patriot and the terrorist are all the same person it just depends on weather or not you agree with them. if me as an american was to fly a plane into a sky scraper in iraq (if there is one) id be a hero here, but to them i would be a terrorist.

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its not the same without jerry. it never will be - bill kreutzmann

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sometimes i like to sit in my hand till it goes numb, that way when i masturbate it feals like someone else playin with my penis

Is it any wonder why so many have a strong negative bias against cannabis???

Pure crap like this makes fools out of all who smoke, toke and ingest the weed.

Of all the medical value of MJ it is pretty much known that no matter how great the bud...cannabis cannot make a wise person out of a total idiot.

I don't ever recall seeing so much stupid in one place before.

Well ok...the DNC Convention.

Al Qaeda is in fact a label created by the FBI under the CIA's advice, in order for any prosecution for 9/11 to be valid. Seemingly in US law a registered/associated entity is required to prosecute and organisation such as "Al Qaeda"

This was supposedly mainly because the entity had no legally identifyable name.. so they gave it one. And a name for people to associate terror with heh...

Perhaps you mean the terrorists we call Al Qaeda because the FBI make up organisational names to prosecute unorganised criminals, which perhaps, work for the government, cough do, cough halliburton..
heheheh


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Yes, but what isn't a myth is that George bush has been in business with Bin Laden for quite some time.

Also, what isn't a myth that George Bush Snr.'s company was closed down due to the fact that a court of law found it was funded by Nazi money. When they refused to close it the government liquidated it instead and this is how the bush million$ fortune began, from the liquidation lol, surprise!

If only more people stated facts instead of accusations, then we could be shocked about them, letting the truth speak its own story.

To summarise.. some facts arouse suspicion yes.. but assumptions without fact create outright paranoia!

Peace,
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There is some intelligence here in a lot of these post's, but there is a lot of stupidity as well......

Ok lets get one thing straight - US Goverment = Terorist Organisation

FACT: CIA rely on inteligence from terrorist organisations and terrorist cells in order to make their decision on which group they intend on attacking.

FACT: 9/11 was known through CIA inteligence as going to happen and that a terrorist cell was operating and preparing on US soil, but did nothing about it.

FACT: US Geverment used the 9/11 incident as a point to attack the Taliban, not Al Qaeda.

FACT: Al Qaeda was created by the US Goverment as a gorilla group (can't quite remember for which war)

FACT: US Goverment put Sadam in power.

I could keep going in what involvement the US Goverment had in the way some countrys have Hitler Regimes. You can garuntee that anyone the US goes against, at some point in the past they have put them in power.

Take a look at the Al Qaeda, they where created and funded by the US Goverment to fight the Russan occupancy and then turned on them once Russia left and paid for another side to fight Al Qaeda.

Now I'm not saying that the rest of the goverments in the world don't play there part in it, cause they do. But at the fore front of it all everytime is the US Goverment, Al Qaeda in my eyes is retribution against US Goverment for what they did to them but I don't condone what they do ether.

Now lets come away from the economics of war and look at the current financial crisis in the world, which country is at the fore front of the biggest financial crisis in this world. Non other than America and the US Goverment yet again did nothing about this and was warned in the early 90's that if they continued to allow the way finace is run over there that this would happen.

I'm a big firm belever in that the goverments of the world, all grew a back bone and said to the US Goverment enough is enough. But guess what they won't and you know whay that is, because they own most of the worlds goverment in one way or another.

Now I have nothing against the American people, or America itself. But I don't like the fact that if the US Goverment shout jump, everyone else asks how high. What has to happen before people realise the shit they cause and stopped it.

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Interference in other countries politics was always going to come back to bite the west in the arse.

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Stupid monkey says as stupid monkey hears....

Maybe inbred stupidity runs in the family of POHMs?

Dunno...maybe change your meds?

It was a war against those red, banana-stealing orangutans!

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Typical yank that hides behind hysteria and doesn't see the truth, learn right history for once and not what you see on tv.

I hope that Obama does what he promises and show himself to be a true leader and not hide be hind congress and war.

Correct, we rebuke what we create.

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Keep 'em coming, you're doing great. Gorillas are our friends, lol.

The Al-Qa'aeda aren't nearly as dangerous as the U.S. government...who has bigger bombs, more money, slicker rhetoric, and who's killed more people? I await the volley of shouts about how the Al-Qa'aeda are monsters who blow up innocents...just how guilty do you think your average two-year-old blown to bits by the U.S. Marines is?

I see it as two rival factions, nothing more. Both are brutal and commit unspeakable acts, and both have some legitimate grievances as well as a lot of bullshit they need to let go.

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Typical relativism is not applicable in the case of Islamofascism, for many reasons.

For instance, if a child is killed by U.S. military, it's usually an accident and those responsible consider it a tragedy. If it is suspected to be a deliberate act, the suspects will be court marshalled and tried. The Islamic terrorists not only kill anybody they want, they actually recruit and use children to perform jihad - which is about the most cowardly act an adult can commit for a cause.

Kidnapping innocent people, and beheading them, is another favorite of their's.

The belief system of Islam is insane, and as dangerous, sick and degenerate Christianity is, it's not nearly as deadly and backwards in this day and age as Islam.

Relgion is the route of all evil, storys made up by man to control man.

Wait most war has the same path as above..............

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If the truth be told then they are more likely to be considered as collateral damage and acceptable losses..

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I'm more inclined to go with greed , religion is simply a tool used by those who seek power , just like politics.

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