uhh...flowers and sunshine is all i took from that.


ive been to iraq, ive dealt with the enemies of the US firsthand. dont give me that moral highground shit, when shit hits the fan and we need to know something fast, give me a pair of pliers and a blow torch and we'll get some answers out of haj. war sucks. its not for cry babies and soft ass lefties. bad things happen, good people die, and mofos get tortured. thats the way it is, and thats the way its probably always going to be.

i saw a bumper sticker on a vets car once that said: if you havent been to iraq or afghanistan, then shut the fuck up.

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calling it torture doesn't make it torturous. a rose by any other name is still
a bunch of leftist bullshit

maybe you should leave American politics to Americans

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'it's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice'
'man made alcohol, God made weed, who do you trust?'
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The bullshit you smell is most definately your own.
I couldn't care less for people if I tried.

Americas politics are as corrupt and retarded as any countries politics, all politics is bullshit.

I am however a pedant when it comes to hypocrisy.

Since your own goverment uses the word torture to describe the acts carried out how is it even possible to argue with that definition ?

BTW
The only things that motivate me are logic and honesty, they are the only things that count, everything else is secondary.
I have no political affiliations as that is simply a way to choose who you want to get screwed by for the next however many years.
What do you call 500 politicians at the bottom of the sea?

A fuckin' good start.

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That argument isn't as valid as you would like to believe. Seeing as Obama and his administration seem to have alternative motives with all this, their calling it torture doesn't really mean much. They are sucking up to the international community as they have been doing since they took office, they have also been trying to demonize the Bush administration at every possible turn.

Had Cheney and Bush referred to it as torture your argument would be valid, but seeing as Obama is desperately trying to portray all our nations problems as a result of the Bush administration, their calling it torture clearly benefits them in this way.

I agree a lot of our problems are a result of Bush, as well as the democratic controlled congress. Unfortunately, the democrats in power today aren't willing to share the blame. They need a scapegoat and the Bush administration is the perfect target.

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-Thomas Jefferson

"How much pain they have cost us, the evils which have never happened."
-Thomas Jefferson

Waterboarding has been considered torture for over a century and the US military is banned from using it.
For some reason (known only to those who decided it) the CIA is not banned from torturing

Does that clarify it better ?

I do like the wrangling with definitions that the lawyers are pursuing.
Enhanced interrogation technique LMAO

Do you think I could use something similar and claim that I was only guilty of extreme body modification if I should ever feel the need to chop someone up ?

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God shave the Queen!

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bozo,
peace, love, dope

'it's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice'
'man made alcohol, God made weed, who do you trust?'
"Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye could see."---Thomas Jefferson- 1781
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i've never been much of a flag waver (in fact, i've been known to burn a flag or two in my time), but i do believe in giving credit where credit is due and damning those whose world view is tinted by prejudice and popular opinion.

where you ever got the idea that people anywhere in the world ever get used to the destruction of war is beyond me. every wayward bullet and stray bomb fragment is followed by screams for retribution and reparation from a seemingly infinite number of voices. a mis-aimed american missile is enough to call down howls of derision from every corner of the world, even though a suicide bomber killing dozens or even hundreds of innocents is seen as a proper response to the slightest of insults.

i've also gotten pretty damn sick of the universal blame that has settled on the u.s. for all of the world's woes. while every third world cesspool with an axe to grind seems to be claiming that the corruption of american capitalism has stolen their wealth, they seem to conveniently forget the trillions of dollars of aid that has always flowed from us to every corner of the world in times of need and to ignore their own rampant corruption. while the world's economies reel from the shock waves of our economic collapse and look to us to clean up what they seem to feel is our mess, they all prefer to forget how willing they were to go along for the ride in better times and make their billions on america's coat tails. while the american military is berated as the cause of violence across the globe, no one wishes to point out that that violence is growing in even those corners of the world where american influence is almost nonexistent and to conveniently forget (once again) the number of times that that same military has been called upon by the world to quell that violence.

as JE has already pointed out; brak is not the world's president, but ours. that positive image is being built on apologies where none are warranted. he builds up the egos of second and third rate powers by genuflecting before their arrogance and illusory moral superiority, seeking to send us down the path of their socialistic stagnation. these has-beens, scurrying desperately to regain their past glories, have taken the road of mediocrity and the messiah sees their failure as the success we should be aiming for. where he should be finding ways to strengthen and support the ideology that has placed us in the position of a world superpower, he instead seems determined to tear all of that down and and replace it with failed socialist dogma and a totalitarian bureaucracy. that change you so long for seems to be the entropy of a world society and the destruction of the individual.

only a fool could really believe this. the world wants us to fail. though they are willingly dominated by a robust america, they would prefer to see us broken and ripe for their scavenging. they may be more than happy to use our strengths, but they would rather see our wealth decline and our liberty decimated as a warning to any who should revere the power of the individual. brak seems all too eager to trade our heritage for the feigned respect of a greedy world community.

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Whoooo.....

Pity whoever does eventually invade the USA if even the stoners are militant...
Respect to u for your patriotic views..

U r true Americans..

i have no use for the blindness of rabid patriotism nor for that of its opposite. i find it difficult to defend the use of harsh interrogation techniques, even when i see their necessity, and i see this country as only a means to an even better end, with even more freedom and an even greater reverence for the power of the individual. my days of militancy are long since past.

the invasion began long ago. we are in the process of being taken over by the indolence and avarice of the ignorant masses, led by a power hungry bureaucracy that uses the ignorant as figurative cannon fodder in their quest for a totalitarian regime. violence is of little use against such an onslaught, only by example can we hope to show that the tide can be turned. the herd may willingly follow their masters down the path of least resistance, but there will always be those that see the virtue of the hard road.

damn, stoned again.

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I for one, believe in what this country was founded upon and would be willing to risk my life in defense of our sovereignty. Unfortunately it appears an invading force isn't necessary, it appears our leaders are happy demolishing it from the inside.

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Property/Happiness. Our current administration is already threatening our three most basic and cherished rights. I will fight my own government as well as a foreign army to protect those and other rights.

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-Thomas Jefferson

"How much pain they have cost us, the evils which have never happened."
-Thomas Jefferson

you'll soon find yourself fighting your neighbors for the simple freedom of believing in the constitution. the fools will always multiply beyond their means, as the wise quietly defend what is theirs.

too broke to do much, too high to care.

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One of the consequenses of having a country founded on the principles that the USA was is that u have to respect ure fellow americans views..

America voted for obama... Not the world.
He is ure president.

GWB was also voted for by the majority of americans..

I think the media is responsible for hyping and encouraging the paranoia that seems to have taken over the US.

America now thinks everybody hates it..

This is not true..
The world looks to America because it is the strongest..
If the American economy is in good health then the world economy is..

People in the US need to set an example and take the lead and encourage people to respect its principles and ideals..
Gung ho USA USA USA type rantings wont work...

U guys dont know how good u have it..
Come and live in Brazil for a while..

Again respect to the USA..

Peace and Love to all...

^ peace and love from the u.s. of a., too. and welcome to can com. i was living in los angeles when y'all won the world cup there in the Rose Bowl, man what a party all over town.

Would say it was special..
Brazilians are good at 1 thing..
Party... Samba...

I started out in Ireland but wandered lonely as a cloud and parked myself here for a while...

Peace and Love...

McCain: Japanese Hanged For Waterboarding

(AP) Republican presidential candidate John McCain reminded people Thursday that some Japanese were tried and hanged for torturing American prisoners during World War II with techniques that included waterboarding.

"There should be little doubt from American history that we consider that as torture otherwise we wouldn't have tried and convicted Japanese for doing that same thing to Americans," McCain said during a news conference.

McCain: Japanese Hanged For Waterboarding - CBS News

I'm very glad he's doing this, but at the same time, it's good to be aware of the shameless public relations exercise.

Prosecuting a few torturers after Bush would be like Hitler's successor posing with his arms around some Jewish orphans. Probably more PR than heartfelt, undertaken to demonize the previous administration (however justified) and to make him look like the angelic saviour.

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that's the whole point, to distract you on the one hand with this witch hunt
while the other hand robs you blind.

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bozo,
peace, love, dope

'it's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice'
'man made alcohol, God made weed, who do you trust?'
"Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye could see."---Thomas Jefferson- 1781
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Likely there were more death. Do you think the rights group know them all?

Quote, "US interrogators may have killed dozens, human rights researcher and rights group say

By John Byrne

Published: May 6, 2009


United States interrogators killed nearly four dozen detainees during or after their interrogations, according a report published by a human rights researcher based on a Human Rights First report and followup investigations.

In all, 98 detainees have died while in US hands. Thirty-four homicides have been identified, with at least eight detainees - and as many as 12 - having been tortured to death, according to a 2006 Human Rights First report that underwrites the researcher’s posting. The causes of 48 more deaths remain uncertain.

The researcher, John Sifton, worked for five years for Human Rights Watch. In a posting Tuesday, he documents myriad cases of detainees who died at the hands of their US interrogators. Some of the instances he cites are graphic.

Most of those taken captive were killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. They include at least one Afghani soldier, Jamal Naseer, who was mistakenly arrested in 2004. “Those arrested with Naseer later said that during interrogations U.S. personnel punched and kicked them, hung them upside down, and hit them with sticks or cables,” Sifton writes. “Some said they were doused with cold water and forced to lie in the snow. Nasser collapsed about two weeks after the arrest, complaining of stomach pain, probably an internal hemorrhage.”

Raw Story » US interrogators may have killed dozens, human rights researcher and rights group say

so?

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so, just 'cause some reporter says it, it's gospel? shit man, they'll write anything.

not only that but do you think you'd really give a shit how many died if your
wife or your mother or your son or daughter had died on 9\11?

nah, i say, better them than us!

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bozo,
peace, love, dope

'it's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice'
'man made alcohol, God made weed, who do you trust?'
"Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye could see."---Thomas Jefferson- 1781
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Will u please stop using 911 to justify slaughtering 100 times more in the middle east...
911 was down to a couple of hundred extremist lunatics who took it upon themselves to hit back after years of american interference in the middle east..
Bin laden is not the leader of islam.
He is nothing but an extremist trained and armed by the US when ye were on the same side in Afghan..
Bin laden is nothing.. A nobody.. An old man who lives in a cave..
Why didnt the US send in some Navy Seals/ Rangers to take him out..
Why did the US have to totally over react and start 2 wars ?
Revenge..
The wars were started to deflect from the real problem...
The US goverment was embarressed..
The american public was shocked and started baying for blood..

Did the US really really need 2 more wars to stick on its CV??????

Peace and Love to all...

send nancy pelosi to jail first she let the shit go for YEARS and did nothing!!

we keep the kool-aid on the left!

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bozo,
peace, love, dope

'it's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice'
'man made alcohol, God made weed, who do you trust?'
"Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye could see."---Thomas Jefferson- 1781
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???????????

Peace and Love to all...

Hi All !!


I'm lost here. What is a CV?

A pretty bold statement!!
I actually saw the press conference where she stated, Congress was lied to and she was not informed of torture already being used.

That being said!!
I feel just as safe today as I did when the last administration was in office.
If we are going to pursue prosecution for torture "we" need all the information. WE as in the Judicial Branch not WE the public.

I believe there should be very few exemptions from prosecution, I personally don't know where to draw this line.
If a person is acting on orders given to them by a superior, maybe, they should be exempt.
Anyone giving the orders to torture should be held accountable.
Anyone with the knowledge of illegal operations, and the power to do something about it should be held accountable, if they did nothing to stop it.

This should to apply to ALL branches of government, and I do believe bad legal advice is grounds for removal of seated judges also.
If it is found that anyone participated in illegal actions they should have their day in court.
Lets get it done and move on!!

Someone implied earlier that Obama is using this for a distraction!
I believe this is way off base! Obama shouldn't have to deal with this!
We shouldn't even have to mention torture, this is all just crazy!!

The fact is; We do have to deal with it!!!
Not because Obama wants to distract us, but because the previous administration was so messed up we can't ignore it!!
We as a people decided on election day enough is enough!! Not me, the COUNTRY, the voters, you and me!!!
If you didn't get the representation in Washington you wanted, TUFF NOOGIES, the majority did. Both popular and electoral, but that is another topic!

If you are relying on the information we are getting from the media, we will never get at the truth!
FOX NEWS, MSNBC, or CNN they all their own agenda to pursue, MONEY and RATINGS.

Just Sayin

Can we ALL agree on one thing? NOONE IS ABOVE THE LAW!!


Side Note!!
Watch out for the MMJ you are using, the extreme potency is now averaged at 10.1% THC.
YouTube - Scientists Research - Dangers Of Highly Potent Pot

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