"get a clue" Ok let me inlighten you You say we should cut of there heads and suicide bomb them. Ok we should to the actual "terrorists". You are so blind you missed my point, I guess you think every iraqi is a terrorist then. Thats why All these people who have been interviewed that have been let loose told about the stories of the insides of these detainee camps. Mere suspiscion alone got 1000's of innocent people beat and tortured. LET me ask you this wise guy How come the Terrorist that "planned the WTC attack still havent been to court?" Must be no evidence to show huh...Hmm guess thats why Obama is passing that swift no court trial death penalty option for those guys huh. "get a clue" Haha I got a clue its you who are still blind. Think about it MINOR SUPERVISION The contractors go over there There not loyal to the government there loyal to there paycheck. And The Proof is out there, and it dosnt make the mainstream news? hmm thats weird. And you still think the terrorists knocked down the towers huh? Is that why they found massive ammounts of nanothermite in the liquid pools of molten metal still burning 27 days after the collapse? Can I enlithen you, Jet fuel dosnt get NEARLY hot enouf to melt steel gurters and stay burning for 27 days latter. If that were the case airplanes wouldnt fly would they. second Thermite is a incindendary substance that isnt part of building or airplane make up. Third its not on the mainstream media???HMMM Oh and one more thing 700 structional engineers are rallying on behalf that building floors dont pancake and fall at free fall speed like that. Again mainstream media???? WHAT HAPPEND TO BUILDING 7?? It collapsed the same way and no plane hit it!!!! AND THEY HAVE NO OFFICAL RECORD OR ANYTHING ABOUT A DEMOLITION!! THEY JUST DONT COVER IT. That quickly came off the news too. keep living in a false sence of security buddy.

hate to burst your bubble but torture gives no valueable intel when its done on innocent people. 9/11 Inside job. Funny "your number 3 alqeida guy" is going free because there isnt any eveidence to prosecute him. WOW not any evidance at all NUMBER 3 GUY. imaginary terrorists-1 Bush/chenny/obama-0

one more thing, The real terrorists are in our government, And now that we masked Sadam and his regime as the enemy, we went over there fucked everything up as bad as it was for the people living there, we made it worse(Its also good sadam is dead and his regime is gone) but on the basis now that so many iraq people are easily presuaded to pick up a rifle and plant bombs because of the majority of the missplaced bombs we dropped killing there families, the little if any resorces we limited, The general attiude and mear presence of gun weilding foreign forces. Im 100 percent sure that has something to do with it. Ever think that maybe whats left of these people might be fighting on behalf that we are evil? Maybe thats why they dont give a fuck about cutting our heads off and shit. We demonize them like they are sick evil people. It takes evil people to fake terror attacks. Now its just a big friggn mess and we are now beefing up afganistan and trying to get into Iran. Lots of money in manufactoring army gear. and lots of money in swine flue vaccines. Guess thats why chenny has his steak in both of those.

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Im not claiming to be an expert I have just done lots of research. Most of the things ive read most people dont even see. Do any of the majority of people even hear about any of this stuff. Answer is no, because it barely graces the pages of the new york times and cnn(which are bought out anyway). All major net works and papers/media barely covers it much less makes it to local stations. And when ever anything against what the government does than people disagree with hits the media, and someone like me mentions it I become the one everyone wants to argue with and discredit as "wack". Because most people just dont want to have to deal with anything that might conflict or go against there morals or way of living. Most people just dont care or wanna hear it and thats sad. When the majority of good men/women do nothing or dont get involved, Evil prevails over the majority.

The purpose of torture

Zhubadh talked after 35 seconds. Why still being waterboarded 83 times? --CIA wanted some "desired words". What kind of "desired words"?

Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in March 2003. -- Still remember the time to invade Iraq? March 21 2003.

The waterboarding used on Zhubadah and Mohammed was just on time Bush was going to start invade Iraq. They need some desired words to justify the war.

Now read the following comment, you know what the purpose for torture:

now his office is saying that they will adopt the "BUSH DOCTORN" to hold terrorist indefinately without trial and that demonstraiting is a low level for of terrorism He has a Jail cell ready for everyone!

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Ever watch the Obama deception? Im not saying everything Alex Jones is true but I would say 90 percent is.

I am a jones fan..... to the point I have mountain property,with food for 1 year canned and stored for 3 people.

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I thought Obama was a forward looker? A post-partisan....post-racial kinda guy? Now investigate the CIA agents from a previous administration? For waterboarding some islamo-fascists? Those pussies sang like birds after the water got dumped down their nose.If they hadn't gleaned some good shit, Holder and Co. would release all the memos. Those agents should get little jugs of water medals for their uniforms.

To legalize the torture, government issued document in mid 2002. Then we saw Libi, Zhubadah, and Mohammed were tortured until March 2003 when Bush invaded Iraq. Obviously to force "desired words" from the victime to justify Iraq war.

Here is the story of how Powell used the "desired words" from torture to justify Iraq war.

Bush's 'Smoking Gun' Witness Found Dead
Global Research , May 13, 2009
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A prisoner who was horribly tortured in 2002 until he agreed - at the demand of Bush torturers - to say that al-Qaeda was linked to Saddam Hussein is suddenly dead. Several weeks ago, Human Rights Watch investigators discovered the missing inmate and talked to him. He had been secretly transferred by the administration to a prison in Libya after having been held by the CIA both in secret “black hole prisons” and in Egypt.

Under conditions of extreme torture, the prisoner, Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi, agreed in 2002 to supply the Bush-ordered interrogators what they sought as a political cover for Bush’s marketing of the pending war of aggression against Iraq. Mr. Libi agreed to tell them whatever they wanted in exchange for an end to the torture. The now famous Torture Memos providing legal cover for the torture were written at the same time starting in the summer of 2002.

Libi’s tortured and knowingly fabricated testimony was the source of information used by Bush to sell the war to the U.S. Senate, and the source for Colin Powell’s bogus and lying presentation to the United Nations in 2003.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice are now running around saying that the torture regime “protected the country from terrorist attack.” But the torture was used for the personal political goals of Bush and Cheney: namely, to sell their Iraq invasion to a very skeptical and disbelieving country.

Having been discovered by human rights investigators two weeks ago, Mr. Libi’s story coincided with the release of the Torture Memos and the growing clamor for criminal prosecutions of Bush officials.

His testimony is the smoking gun that would reveal that the torture regime was not for “national security” but for the personal political aims of Bush and Cheney.

He was Exhibit A in the indictment that alleges that tortured confessions and the contrived legal justifications of torture set up by Justice Department lawyers in July/August 2002 were central to the launch of the war against Iraq.

Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died and tens of thousands of U.S. service members have either been killed or badly wounded in a war that was based on lies fortified and promoted by the most sadistic torture.

Mr. Libi is suddenly dead. A Libyan “newspaper source” says that his death is an apparent suicide. His friends don’t believe that.

We are building a movement for the appointment of a Special Prosecutor. This is not a political choice. It is a legal imperative. Mr. Libi’s death must be the first business of the investigation. When other prisoners who had been kept at secret sites were sent to Guantanamo, the Bush administration and the CIA intentionally kept Mr. Libi from being part of that transfer. Mr. Libi was publicly stating that the Iraq-al-Qaeda links attributed to him from his torture sessions were not true.

“Who was the beneficiary” from his death? Why was he spirited away by the Bush administration to hidden foreign prisons after he recanted his tortured testimony and revealed that he was forced to make false statements about Iraq

Bush's 'Smoking Gun' Witness Found Dead

who cares what happened to this Haji. Good riddance. There are still folks getting tortured at Black sites right now, and will be in 10 years. Khaled Sheik Mohammed was bumping his gums about getting a lawyer and never talking when he got picked up. After getting water dumped down his nose he sang like a broad. (like anyone would) If it didnt produce direct results, Obama should release all the files, but he won't. Those CIA guys should get medals.

So what you're trying to tell us is that torture is justified even when we know people will say whatever we want if you use enough duress ?
How does the holier than thou attitude work if you're an hypocrite ?

The US agreed that waterboarding is torture and outlawed it's use and yet a few years down the line they themselves use it, how does that work ?
Suddenly it's not illegal because of some inane wordplay ?
I don't think so.

Only a retard would rely on the words of someone in fear for thier life , under enough coercion anyone would tell you precisely what you want to hear.

As for medals for the CIA , I think a bullet to the head would be more fitting.

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I hear ya, im not saying Im right and your wrong. When it comes down to it, I just really dont care what happens to them. Is that terrible. In 3 years another President will come around with their lawyers and say it's not torture, it's the American way. Ive seen it, looks shitty, real painful. I just dont care.

This statement beggars the question ,why bother getting into a debate about a subject that you yourself "don't care" about ?

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All I can do is keep hittin the Rigs making money for my fam, and avoid random trips to Pakistan and Afghanistan.

They aren't high on my list of "Countries I must visit before I die" either.
Good luck to you and yours man.

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They wanna prosecute some nobody lawyers from the previous administration go ahead, boo-hoo. Zippity doo-da. In the end, it will continue. Continues now and will always continue all over the planet. Doesnt make it right at all. But im not gonna loose a wink of sleep knowing people somewhere will torture other people to protect my interests. I like that alot actually. Felt good to type actually.

Its not right what was done,but saying it was right and then changing the rules after the fact isnt either-smello

Value for torture (April 09)

It's kind of funny to argue on such a moral topic. Morality can't be traded. But American enable it with a value.

Torture/waterboarding works. Yes, so are other illegal things. You will have proof that Rape/murder works too. And you can defend that FBI imposed very tight restrictions on the use of torture.....

Only please you don't accuse Hitler for Facist or Saddam for torture, because they just do same thing you approved.

And because some people who think they are the outlaw and can do what ever they want to and justify their crime by "it works" or "value".

That's why President Kennedy was assassinated, so was Rober Kennedy. And Dr. Martin L. King. Because for insiders, the victim are " subject to additional limits" and up to someone's "value".

We outlaw the torture because we don't want others to apply it on Americans. It kills Americans too, in miserable way. So if you legalize it, you also open a way to let others to do same thing on us.

Thanks for those who boast "patriot" admit of the two standards. Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tze Tung and Kin Jong Ir gave themseves the same right openly. That's totalitarian. Bush is justified by someone like Yoo, that's democratic. Is there any difference when they did same thing? In the name of value? Or you will find some excuse to say if it was done by "them", then it's savage, inhuman but when "I" did it, it's for the value of ... eh "pratriotism", "democracy"?