Exactly! America was cool with the Shah and his nuclear ambitions because... well, we, the U.S., put his lame ass there. If Iran is pissed at America (says we're their enemy) it's for a good reason: We fucked with their democracy. But now they're in a fix because the majority of Iranians aren't cool with their dip shit government.

Stop looking at the world through the lens of America first? The biggest threat to the world isn't terrorism or nuclear ambition. It's Nationalism. Johnson and Nixon got the biggest threat wrong and so has the idiot from Texas (Connecticut)... or, rather, his handlers.

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That's fucking bullshit and you know it. Iran love's there leader's you must remember that it isn't the president of Iran who make's decision's.

It's isn't like Iraq where most people didn't give a shit about Saddam different story in Iran.

Of course it's different.... we can move on from the elementary: who makes decisions in Iran bit. But tell me why urban Iranians love iPods and western culture?

BTW The MAJORITY of Iranians don't agree with their leaders...

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To be honest I think you should stop watching Fox news.

So where are all the people showing that they dont support it?

Oh let me guess they dont come out cause you say they will be killed or some shit. It's a load of bull you give country's like Israel nuclear bomb, buster bomb, cluster bombs, F16's, that ye pay for the tax payer and you wonder why country's dont like ye.

Yer all for one country like in Afganistan you help a bunch of terrorist's there right now who just planted bomb's in Turkey not so long ago. Wont be long when your saying they are your enemy.

Iranian's want there country to be a nuclear power WHICH THEY ARE IN THERE RIGHT'S to be.

Hey, Joebhoy, either I'm not writing clearly or you're not reading clearly. I AGREE with you, OK?

As for Fox News, if I ever run into Bill O'Reilly I'll punch him in his fat head... Peace, baby!

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Israel has the most to lose if Iran gets the bomb. Israel said yesterday that if Iran gets to far along on there enrichment program there not going to waite for the U.S to act. They said they will take care of it them selfs.

ROFL.. I'd like to see israel do anything by themselves.

They're like an annoying kid brother who comes crying to you when they get beat up at school.

Personally I think they need to learn to fend for themselves. Unfortunatley though the US has too much interest in that region to allow Israel to fight on their own.

Israel will sit down and shut up if we tug on their leash hard enough.

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Israel has a few big friends. Hey, here's a thought, maybe they think that's the best way to go about striking Iran. The US knows it can't sell its own public on another war but hell, why not have Israel do it for us. Each day this seems more and more the case, imo. They just want it to come off like it wasn't the idea of the US.
While I agree that Israel will "settle down" when America tugs the leash, in this case the US doesn't really want it to. It's important to consider also that many other nations are against a nuclear Iran. I for one am, as is my nation. Germany, France, Australia, New Zealand, Britain.
The shitty part is that Team Iran is pretty good too, given they share the bench with Russia and China.

The funny part of all of this is the contrast we see in Obama. I remember him saying that he would negotiate diplomatically with Iran and other enemies of the US. But just the other day, now Israel's security is of utmost importance..and "non-negotiable". I love that it shows he's just as much a liar as any other politician. Finally he demonstrates that he is not so original or amazing as everyone thinks; though it will be historical if and when he is elected, what will really come of it?
He is starting to grow on me though, only because he will ease tensions around the world, and help America be the great country it used to be - respected world wide. But he won't fix the US much...and people need to realize that.
Whats with all the people who want Jimmy Carter back, by the way. He got you into this damn mess!!

so because iran sits on oil they shouldnt have nuclear technology. thats stupid hogwash. keep on destroying our world with unrenewable oil cause we keep on waisting it. they have every right to have a RENEWABLE POWER SOURCE.

christians are just as fanatic as muslims. they both want the end of times. christian bush talks to god and god told him to attack muslims. hes said that on national tv. christians are extremist fanatics just like muslims.

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Don't we have some newer threads on Iran? Did we have to pick up and restart one from TWO YEARS ago?

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No, it's not hogwash, but to deny that the Iranian government has alterior motives is naive.

To be able to master the techonology necessary to create nuclear arms is the issue at hand here. Uranium Enrichment is not an easy task and requires very specific conditions to happen. Once they learn that it's only a matter of further refining the enrichment process to make weapons grade uranium.

Iran has said several times before that any action taken against them will result in them attacking Israel.

They seem a little over eager to attack don't you think?

While I do believe the general idea that if everyone has nukes then no one will want to use them is probably true.. I think I would rather err on the side of caution and try to pre-emptively stop this process diplomatically first.

And by the way, if you think that oil is the only way to destroy the world then you should look at the waste by product of nuclear power plants. Not only is it hazardous but it is generally of high enough grade to still be used for a Dirty bomb...

Yep, a weapon can be the byproduct of your clean renewable energy.

Who knew right?

In addition you would want the material waste to be buried deep in a insulated container that won't leak and contaminate the earth. We wouldn't want to possible destroy our precious planet with radioactive material after trying to move away from oil... which was also destroying our planet.

You would also want to make sure the grounds are well protected. Being radioactive material you could only imagine that it might be sought after from various terrorist groups (please notice I said terrorist and not muslims).

So yes.. there are alot of issues that should be of concern to the international community over a nation that has definitely shown their hostility towards neighboring nations.

Do I think we should invade... well like I said before in other posts, with me being half Iranian and having family over there it makes it a bit difficult to not be biased. I'm going to say no right away. My family is there.

Do I think we should do something... Yes, I do think this is a serious issue and it needs to be handled.

Do I think that we need to be the gungho leader that charges in there and forces the change. No, I honestly think this needs to be handled by a group of nations working together. I am not referring to the UN as they seem to do a piss poor job of enforcing any of their policies. I am referring to a reformed UN where the Member nations have some actual backbone and enforce their diplomacy and policies or else using their military power if necessary in the situation where other nations may be at danger/risk... like the one we see before us now.

I do agree with one thing in your post though:

fanatical christians are equally as bad as muslim extremists.. both have killed in the name of their religion. Thats just NUTS!

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You know that is a very good point. I never thought about using Israel as a coverup to drag the US into another war. It will be interesting to see if it pans out that way.

Also thank you for pointing out that this is not just a US issue. Many nations around the globe do not want Iran to have Nuclear technology for many reasons which should be obvious.

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I just love America's hypocricy: "Hey, we can keep tens of thousands of nuclear weapons, our buddies in Israel can keep tons of nukes, but don't you dare!"

Then the government's actually convinced us that Iran is being outrageously unreasonable for not lying down and accepting that we, the enlightened Christians of the west, can be trusted with nukes, but you Iranians are all a bunch of savages who can't be trusted, and you should just agree with that! Riiiight, that's skillfull diplomacy right there. Last I heard, only twice has one country nuked another, and both times were America. But even with as much or more thumping for war against Iran, as they say to us, it can only be their fault if war breaks out.


Hey, who is it again that has the most colourful history of deposing democratically elected leaders and installing brutal dictators? The US's buddy Batista, before Castro gave him the boot, was so brutal he made Saddam look like the prime minster of Sweden. In fact they did a similar thing in.... oh what was that country.... oh that's right, IRAN (1953). But clearly, the US is the one who's suffered the injustices of Iran's agression over the decades. Iran has no reasonable cause for distrust of the US, of course.

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In case you've missed out there are a number of nations, including your own, who do not want Iran to have nuclear arms.

And I think the reasons listed above are enough cause to want to deter a nation, who has definitely voiced it's desires to destroy neighboring nations, away from Nuclear technology.

BTW, nuclear armament is not a US policy but rather a UN policy. You obviously did some research there at the end of your post, but had you done some research on the subject at the beginning of your post then I think you would find you're pointing your finger at the wrong person.

We are just one of the few nations that enforce this UN policy. It's not our fault if the UN typically cannot stand up for themselves.

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You make a lot of valid points that can't be argued against..and nobody is denying you those..
the point is to realize that there are other undeniable facts to pay attention to, like the fact that the government in Iran is a religious dictatorship disguised as democracy. Kinda like Russia, you know, where you vote with the Kremlin or you get killed. This type of country is not one that should be in possession of nuclear weapons. Thats why the cold war was so damn scary! Russia should never have had those type of weapons! Do you never think how lucky we all are that we had some rational people in office who must have been scared of the consequences? Do you realize how many times the world came close to complete destruction? What makes you think that this situation will automatically play out well, like the cold war. In case you haven't noticed there is already a renewed arms race. Laughing a nuclear Iran off as non-threatening, when it is an open enemy who is defying UN Sanctions is plain naive. No matter your thoughts on US imperialism or aggression, you cannot deny that this comes down to the fact that they can't have nukes because the country isn't stable, not because they are "muslim enemies" like you suggest.
It's just as frightening that Pakistan has them too, cause they are crooked as hell.
So that con kinda outweighs the points you make about the US overstepping its bounds. It isn't just America and Israel biting their nails.

Basically what I'm saying to you Gandalf is that I agree with your stance on the US ...everything from their illegal international activity to their world police behaviour and their world domination idea they have...but in the case of Iran, put those feelings aside, because not everything is about the evilness of the US government. Iran is a particularly dangerous threat, and you don't seem to realize that.

P.S. Why does everyone buy this peaceful energy creation crap??? Of course they have to say that!!! Think they would come out and say well yes, we're building the bomb.
According to the IAEA Iran has been quite vague with inspection principles.
If they just want the energy why not allow another country to build it and maintain it for them. And their "right" to do so is just bullshit. They have a few more "rights" to work on before nuclear power should be considered.

I agree with this post nearly 100%.

The only thing I disagree with is the US world police situation. While it may appear that we are simply butting out noses in where it doesn't belong... if you look at a number of the situations where the US goes in and flexes it's muscles it is usually due to some UN Sanction that has been violated or ignored.

Historically the UN has not enforced any of it's policies and is generally corrupt. I guarantee you many nations in the UN are as corrupt as people PERCEIVE the United States to be. (I don't argue that there is not corruptness occuring within our government. That would just be naive to think that).

The UN makes international Law.. has an international military and focuses on human rights and other things. Yet in the history of the UN I have never seen them step beyond diplomatic action. I am totally for handling things peacefully. I prefer it. The problem is that in many situations, like in Iraq for example where they would close their doors to UN inspectors on several occassions, the UN would just roll over and take it with a smile. They might as well apologized for interrupting Saddams valuable time.

The question is when is it time to stop diplomacy and take a course of action?

Russia, France, China and several other members even abuse policies that are put in place.. like the oil for food program. Which was abused by trading weapons for oil instead of food like the program suggests.

France had several interests in Iraq in the form of oil contracts. In addition Iraq was buying military arms from Russia and China.

When you have so many countries that have a fiscal interest in a nation and ignore problems or worse.. contribute to an ever expanding problem then I feel the finger should be pointed at them as well.

The United States put essentially put the Baath party in power and to be honest, even though I am opposed to the war, I'm somewhat glad that we cleaned up ONE of the messes we made.

The WORLD is corrupt and honestly it's a bit disgusting that everyone turns a blind eye to their own wrongs and only focus on the United States.

But then again I guess it's easier to place all your blame on one nation.. heh


ps: I am sincerely glad to see this post by you and wished more people shared the mentality of looking beyond just what they see in front of them. Beyond what the media spoon feeds them. Although I do not agree with your post 100% I found it very intelligible and written in a somewhat non biased fashion.

While I'm all for arguments and debate, I find that majority of the posts in regards to this are more Anti-American (even from Americans) sentiment as opposed to well thought out posts with historical, political, economic or even current event references.

Ghandi once said that we must become the change that we want to see in the world.

Thank you for taking the time to do this. I enjoy reading your posts.

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