Oh no! Unfortunately I have a pretty good idea where you've gone wrong:

This guide is written using Centigrade as the main indicator of temperature (everything I've posted since has been in both Centigrade and Fahrenheit to avoid just this type of confusion).

Sadly, 145 F is a long way short of the melting point of THC. It needs to be at least 180 degrees Fahrenheit (80 degrees Centigrade), preferably around the 200 F mark (95 degrees centigrade).
At this point the oil is hot enough to melt the resin into the oil without damaging the THC potency.
Cooking below 180 F (80 C) means that almost all of your THC is still attached to the plant material in a form that is indigestible. Hence no effect.

The 'low' setting on your crock pot appears to be very low indeed, and I suspect the addition of water (which although has helped maintain a uniform temperature), has also prevented the heat reaching the required level.

N.B. Anyone else following this guide should check the 'troubleshooting' posts contained in the 'Cannabis Capsules' thread which cover differences in: 'crock pots', temperature ranges (Centigrade and Fahrenheit), and cooking times, in order to (hopefully) prevent making a similar mistake.

Damn it! If you lived in the UK I'd call in with some weed and give you a demo to make up for the disappointment.

If you feel like trying again at some point, skip the water (and possibly your 'crock pot) and look at the oven method (covered in the capsules section).
Also, 0.5 grams is more than enough, and although you weren't able to grind your weed finely it shouldn't affect the final potency by too much.

Remember, hot enough to dissolve the THC into the oil, but not hot enough to damage or vaporise it (above 140 C / 285 F), and don't be tempted to cook it for less than 2 hours and more than four.

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Get one of these from Target, the local grocery or cooking store. They only cost a couple of bucks. I got mine at the 99 cent store and it was worth every penny when I made cannabutter last night. See pics below. If I didn't have the thermometer, I would not have realized that the Crock Pot heated up to the 225-250 F range after being on High for 45 minutes.

The Lesson: I would have overcooked the butter if I left it on High for the entire 3 hour cooking time, rather than switch to Low when the correct temp was reached. Amazingly after switching it down to Low the temperature stayed at 225 F for the rest of the cook time.

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I have a question about the smell of the actual process. Is it very noticeable? If so, are there ways to reduce the smell? ie, making sure you don't open the slow cooker, duct taping it shut, etc. I'm interested in trying this idea, but can't afford a very potent smell. Will it permeate a small room? a large room? Thanks in advance.

When I made mine in the slow cooker there was only a smell when I opened the lid, and that wasn't enough to permeate through the room (open kitchen). In the toaster oven there was a faint smell it resembled more of a "something cooking" smell than a distinct marijuana smell.

I have a batch cooking up now.

Flameon,

Hey, love the giude, it's been a big help. But recently I've come across recipes for green dragon and was wondering if it's safe to make it in a crockpot? I know Bacardi 151 is very flammable, but if it's at a low heat in a crock and there is no open flame, it should work, right?

Well Flame I'm actually glad to hear that i messed up, i new it was either the dose or something had gone very wrong and this seems like a very simple thing to fix, I will try again this weekend and let you know. Ill make sure its at least 200F.
As a side note i waited a good 3 hours to make sure no effects where gonna happen and preceded to take 4 heavy bong rips and I'm not sure if it had a symbiotic relationship with the little THC i had in my system but i ended up getting way to high and started panic attack like symptoms... worst experience I've ever had on this drug lol live and learn. That being said do you have any advice on cooping with a high if you ingest to much?
Thanks again man.

Your to kind I'm sorry i sounded somewhat bitter (if i did) just some disappointment, but I'm once again excited to try your method again because i see now i clearly made a big mistake.

Hi again Alotsa,

The 'reaction' you mention is not uncommon (although it's very difficult to predict), and can 'freak' people out if and when it happens.

There are two things going on:

a) Even though you didn't heat the oil to the correct temperature, some of the THC will inevitably 'leech' into the oil/mix (although not enough for you to register at the time), and when combined with the THC from the smoke will give you a much stronger high than normal.
b) If the conditions are right, by eating the mix (weed residue and oil), you've created an environment (i.e. your stomach) where the THC will (for a short while) still continue to slowly 'leech' out and into your blood stream. Though again usually in quantities to small to have anything other than a subtle effect.

Also, it's important to remember the results of ingested THC are 'creeping'. If the mix is potent, you'll be aware of its effects within an hour and a half to two hours, however it won't reach its peak until about five or six hours have passed, so even a weak mix that seems to have failed can still sometimes show its presence much later.
Think of it like alcohol, where a couple of drinks might not register, but where one more might just 'tip' you over.
Hence smoking a bit later can sometimes trigger a hefty reaction.

Lol, that's a good question. Experimenting with various cooking methods and quantities over the years has led to a few portion control 'accidents'.
In my case I prefer a strong mix, however I did read something (it might even have been on this site) that I find very useful for such occasions.
I repeat to myself that 'Acceptance is the experience' - meaning that, you can't overdose on THC, nothing bad is going to happen, you wanted to get high and now you are, so enjoy and stop worrying! Try it if you're finding it overwhelming, it really helps.

Also, it's worth remembering to keep everything you might need close by. Things like food and drink, and most importantly, make sure the remote controls are within arms reach.
I once listened to the same three minute track being played on repeat for three hours because I couldn't get up to switch it off.

If you have a 'designated driver' to keep an eye out for you, so much the better. Only do these things in places, and with people who you know and trust!!!
If it all gets too much, large quantities of orange juice (or other sugary/acid drinks) will help bring you down and shorten the trip.

MVP - Great thermometer, I'm gonna see if I can get the same one off eay, nice find!

ModernMan I'd go along with simplesmok, you'll only get strong smell if the crock pot is running too hot.

TheOnlyBlackJu Wow, that's an interesting idea. I could do with testing that one myself.
In theory (please note, I'm not sure exactly what would happen), but it should cause the alcohol to evaporate without igniting it. Important to leave the lid off so the fumes can dissipate and not fall back into the bowl as condensate. I guess you could run an extension cord outside and let it do its thing from the safety of your kitchen? Let me know if you give it a go I'd be interested to hear how it works out, but please, be careful!

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Ok here goes attempt number 2 figured id post before instead of after. My slow cooker must be weak because i had to turn the sucker to the highest setting just to barely get it over 185 F and it will probably only rise another 2 maybe 3. Do you think this is going to be a problem and should i cook it longer?? Maybe i should remove most if not all the water? Well 1 tsp coconut oil and about .5g good bud broken up fine with my fingers. temp'd around 186F right now at 8:30 planing on letting it go till 10:30. How's it looking so far flame?



I just used an instant read digital thermometer, the kind you stick in meat and stuff. Oven thermometers are great for this to and should be used in any oven as most of there temperatures are off. But if you don't have room in your crook pot and you wanna get fancy you can get an instead read prob that is designed to stay in the oven this way you can just hang the thing in there and close the lid on. Mine is like this. http://www.pastrychef.com/assets/ima...ock_large1.jpg

Fancier still you can get a pricey infrared thermometer...muahaha http://www.digital-meters.com/store/...ll/t_16376.jpg all you do is shoot it at the surface of what you want a temp for pretty sweet.

I fixed it up and the temperature is around 202-203 now.

Hmmmn, you're worrying me again Alotsa, I'm not convinced you should be using water in your crock pot, and breaking up the bud with your 'fingers' is not what your after.
If you don't have a coffee grinder (or pepper grinder), try a pestle and mortar, or at the very least chop it finely with blades. When I mentioned that it wouldn't affect the final potency too much if it wasn't too fine, that was based on at least doing the above.

However, I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but try not to improvise too much. Here's hoping!

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Hey flame i tried to PM you so id stop spamming up this thread because i cant seem to get this right but could not figure out how. Well it seems you where right to be worried no effects once again. I don't understand whats going on though, i made sure the temperature was over 200F (it was around 208F throughout the two hours) by taking the surrounding waters temperature, i don't see how the temperature in the coffee mug could be any different. The Virgin coconut Oil was noticeably greener and had a stronger smell than the last undercooked batch so it seemed promising.
I gotta figure i need a higher dose at this point unless you can spot any obvious errors, again, or i am underestimating the importance of grinding the bud very fine with a coffee grinder. I guess i figured grinding it that much would just mean it would be absorbed by the fat faster and if it was cooked long enough this step was not necessary. I was also nervous i might loose more in the coffee grinder than if i broke it up fine with my fingers because its such a small amount. Still you would think i would feel a little something even if grinding is so important. Sorry to bother you again but i wonder where you think i should go from here? Thanks.

Hi Alotsa, sorry to hear it's been a bust for you again.

I thought it might be useful to run through it from the top, and cover the most important factors.

First off, take 0.5 grams of bud (hopefully you'll already have smoked a nug previously to make sure it'll do the job), and give it about 15 minutes in an oven pre-heated to gas mark 1.

There's a ton of info about correct temperatures and troubleshooting in the capsules thread, but just in case, if the kitchen starts to smell strongly of weed, take it out as your oven may be too hot.

By doing this first you'll have evaporated any remaining moisture out of the plant material and helped convert any inactive compounds to active (THCA to THC). You'll also be left with a very nice, brittle dry piece of weed, which will be easier to grind up finely.

Next, Grind it up finely!
If you don't have a coffee (or pepper) grinder, you could try a regular 'herb' grinder, but once done, put it in the egg cup (or espresso cup) that you'll be cooking it in, and pulverise it to a finer grain with a suitable blunt object (the metal handle of a fork for example).

Once done, add around a teaspoon of coconut oil (or ghee) to the cup and check the temperature of your crock pot (or oven). If using the crock pot do not add water, and do not put your weed until your sure its within the right temperature range.

Check out post 269 in the 'Cannabis Capsules' thread (page 11). Very important.

Ideally, I would highly recommend testing your 'crock pot' (or oven) empty for two or three hours at the various settings and monitoring the 'high' and 'low' temperatures to make sure you use the ones best suited to the equipment your using.

If your happy you've got the right setting and temperature, place in your cup, replace the lid (and don't take it off more than twice during cooking, and even then be quick as it causes the temp to drop fast!). Your mix (when using ground up weed) should be roughly half and half.

Cook for between 2 and 3 hours, and watch out, if you start to smell weed in the kitchen, chances are it's too hot. Keep an eye on the temperature every 15 minutes (oven thermometers are cheap and priceless). You may need to turn it up or down occasionally. Once done, remove the cup, leave to cool, and enjoy with snacks of your choice! (a whole other thread lol).

Good luck, and here's hoping you finally succeed!

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Well third attempt worked a little bit i felt it in my head but was very mild. This time i did it all I'm pretty sure. No water, i used my oven thermometer, and i ground it up with a coffee grinder. In addition i used a little more than .5 good bud (maybe .7) and then added some old weed i had to make a total of 1gram. it was kinda a high temp though for a long time not above the vaporization point but i think it might have been hotter because it was lying right on the bottom of the pot where the heat coil is and the smell was not very strong but you defiantly could smell a weed cooking smell but it did not leave my room with the door shut, if i left my room and came back later i could defiantly smell it as soon as i opened my door. Ideally i want to get as close to 200F as possible right? i thought maybe a little sand (maybe dirt) or a heat proof plate under the cup next time, or just get the temp lower. i think it might have been around 257f or so.

I am out of my good bud and sense i have a lot of old stuff on hand i think ill experiment with that with larger doses i think i might go all the way to 2grams of very old weed. would you say that sounds about right? perhaps more even?I'd say it still has a decent potency despite its age, its high is probably less pleasant than with fresh though like more drowsy. with about a table spoon of oil. Although i have not achieved that super high yet this last attempt convinced me that I'm narrowing in on it... ha. thanks for the continued support Flame! very awesome.

do you guys think mixing crisco with ground up bud would work really good? since theres alot of fat in it?

very thorough...thanks

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so does the butter that you cook the kif in have to be cooled before it can be added to say brownie batter or cookie dough? and when you cook the brownies or whatever at like 350 farenheit won't that vaporize the thc?

Hi st8jacket secure

Ideally, you'll need to let the cannabutter cool before using it, especially if your using a packet mix as they almost always contain ingredients that will be damaged if they come into contact with hot oil before baking i.e. chocolate chips etc.

Very good point regarding vaping the THC.
It's important to cook any brownies or cookies at as low a temperature as is possible in order to avoid any loss of potency. You'll notice in post 53 of the thread that this very question comes up, and the best answer is to keep your oven temperature at just below the 140 degree centigrade mark (285 Fahrenheit) in order to avoid this happening.

Good luck, and let us know how you get on.
Flame

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