This is a misguided sentiment that some keep going back to, that space exploration is a waste of time or money. There are plenty of things that need funding but space exploration is one of them. The space program gets like $15-16 billion and the military gets like a quarter trillion or something, and plenty of other government fat that is far more excessive than the space budget. The point is, space exploration should be funded more, not less, so we can start advancing technology that leads to solving a lot of problems here on Earth as well as eventually provide everyone on Earth with income beyond their widest dreams. It is worth it, that is a huge understatement. We need to do it or we will perish if remaining on only 1 planet. And I would go elsewhere if needed, I would love to explore space. PEACE

It is entirely unnecessary, and very expensive, to send humans to other planets because these missions could be accomplished just as well through robotics and other technology. NASA believes, probably correctly, that the average taxpayers are unwilling to support their projects unless humans are included on the trips.

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(I think)The most amazing thing that the trips to the moon did (besides landing on the moon) was to unite the world! Have you ever seen how many people watched those first steps and what an impact it had. Im not saying it lasted and didnt cause a few stirs with Russia but it was an amazing time for not just America but humanity.

I think this is amazing and cant wait!! Ive always wanted to work for NASA or anything with space for that matter!

Think about it! Our sun is a star and if every other star has planets revolving around it then the odds are huge that life is out there. Ive heard the goldilocks term used that says a planet has to be in the perfect spot (not to hot not to cold)(not to close to the sun but not to far) and must have all the right gasses to sustain life. I don’t believe this one bit! There must be gasses out there that we have never eve thought could exist or couldn’t even rap our heads around if we found they did. Just like all life on earth has evolved to breath oxygen, why couldn’t other life forms breathe some other gas? Also our planet uses the gasses in its atmosphere to keep the planet the right temp (well it doesn’t USE them it just kinda works out that way) How do we know that these other gasses are not doing the same on a different planet. Im not saying there are little green aliens running around on other planets, im saying YOU NEVER KNOW!!

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Lets also not forget that many technologies that we take for granted today where discovered back then because of the space race.

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The idea of life elsewhere in the universe if one of my favorite topics. What kind of shapes would it take? What mechanisms for survival would it have evolved? I wonder how long if would be before we were able to communicate with other life in an effective manor?
I recently watched a pbs show about extraterrestrial life hosted by a guy named Timothy Ferris. The show was really good the way it gave a nice overview of all the relevant info and ideas. There is a scene involving an X-mas tree as a visual aid for the topic of communicating with ETs via radio waves. I hadnt ever thought about the subject in quite the same way before, theres a good chance that we may be listening and even talking to an empty universe given the time scales were dealing with. That idea is kind of a downer but just after they talked about the idea of finding the remains of a once advanced and far-reaching civilization. the idea was something like an interstelar internet system generating its own power, but just lying dormant for millenia after the demise of its creators.

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Actually not all stars have planets around them, but that's beside the point. Youre right that the odds are far in favor of life having developed somewhere else in the universe. The theoretical (because how could we ever get an accurate count?) number of stars in the universe is insane hundreds of trillions or something, if anyone knows the figure . . .
Anyway even if ony 1/10th of the stars have planets then the chance for ETs is still huge.
The question of wether or not we ever meet ETs depends, in part, on how long species last. Will humans be around long enough for a message from another star system to ever reach us? Proxima Centauri, our nearest neighbor star, is 4 or 5 lightyears away. It takes fucking LIGHT 5 years to get here, and its such a miniscule distance even just in terms of our own galaxy.

So how long, on average, do you all think a species, something similar to our own, would last?
Or should i start a new thread for that?

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LOL sorry, trancefusion you said every OTHER star, and i didnt even catch that.
O well same difference.

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I think we are about to see a race to weaponise space.

The U.S military (and most of NATO) rely heavily on GPS/Sat technology to operate current weapon systems. With the Chinese capable of shooting down said technology we need to "up our game".

This "new space race" is just another arms race in disguise. All imho of course

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I hope the first pack of humans on mars will include a stoner to announce it forever marijuana friendly! lol

cuz all over earth [with very very few exceptions so far] thnx to our very own country and conventions and ideas we pushed on others decades ago, it will be illegal and most likely remain illegal for a long time to come!

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-Göring, 2nd in command of Hitler

Jingoism is defined in the Oxford English Dictionary as "extreme patriotism in the form of aggressive foreign policy".

I don't think we ever stopped going to the moon.

GAAAAWWWWWWD!!!!!!

Scientists wouldnt know "alien" life if they sat on it and it got wedged in their ass cheek!

There is no way to say that anything in this universe is NOT, in fact, intelligent life.

how?

Humans are a self proclaimed intelligent species. no one else told us we were smart, we only tell ourselves to make ourselves feel better, or superior.

But the fact of the matter is we dont have a fucking CLUE as to weather or not we are any smarter (or dumber for that matter) than a rock, tree, blade of grass, or the sun!


It's like learning a new language. in Asia they speak different languages than in south America. but everyone still tries to find a common ground of understanding and communicate with each other.
HOWEVER, we've become so fucking narrow minded and arrogant as to presume that you must have a brain (and usually a tongue) in order to communicate, but we cannot prove that rocks AREN'T trying to tell us something! For all we know, the very markings on their bodies could be their language, and it is a directly physical language like writing, a physical record of their lives.

What's to say that the wind, as it gently caresses our backs is not the air trying to say "hi", or "get the hell out of the damn way" for that matter.

Like i said, people wouldnt know an intelligent lifeform other than human if they sat on it and got it wedged in their ass cheek.

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To the guy above me, thnx for the RED luv lol

I never gave up the fight for weed on earth!!!! will never do, however given the situation in the world and looking @ things in a practical manner, i find it easier for a fresh start on mars! i mean come on just imagine it as a new continent where the founder announces that no1 can illegalize the stuff there!

a long battle to go on earth and im down for it mayn, don get me wrong...
but i for one have always day dream what if in the next 10 years or so i can be a billionaire and use my own money to be the 1st man to land on mars and do that i know... these are just a stoner's "daydreams"
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my bad for thread hijack but since we got no more PM buttons i had to clear my stance to avoid any misunderstandings!

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Whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship, the people can always B brought 2 the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All U have 2 do is tell them they R being attacked & denounce the pacifists 4 lack of patriotism & exposing the country 2 danger. It works the same way in any country.

-Göring, 2nd in command of Hitler

Jingoism is defined in the Oxford English Dictionary as "extreme patriotism in the form of aggressive foreign policy".

Sorry bro, really i am, i shouldnt have done that, and i will correct that next chance i can.


but Earth is my home. MY HOME IS NOT going to be overrun by people who seek to destroy her natural beauty. over my dead body. (that phrase isnt used enough amongst stoners... someone wants to ban weed? repeat after me: "OVER MY DEAD BODY.")

feels great to have real purpose to live, but it sure feels like SHIT that there's nothing i can actually DO to make a difference... if all it took was me, then all it takes is you, and everyone else out there already making the attempt... no... something more needs to be done if we're going to make any life quality improvements for the next generations of hippies and stoner kin.

i cant abandon the home of cannabis, i cannot allow the source of this beautiful plant be further desecrated by politicians, CEO's and War Mongers

fuck it, if mars is going to offer ANY solutions, it would be sending off all the god damned warlike, destructive, hateful, overly prejudiced people to like a prison. if they want to hate, they can just go to mars and hate the haters, if they want to kill, mars, if they want to destroy people's lives, you had better get them the fuck off OUR planet and put them somewhere where they cant do any more damage to Earth.

WE, THE HUMANS OF THE PLANET EARTH ARE THE SOLE OWNERS OF THE SOIL AND THE ONLY PERSONS WITH ANY SUCH RIGHT TO LIVE HERE.


as for all the politicians, policemen, military, violent gangs, rapists, muggers, bankers, kings, queens, emperors, dictators, tyrants, prime ministers, slave drivers, and all around persons without respect for the free will of others... kill them, ship them to mars, do anything and everything to them except allow them to ruin our lives.


fucking mercenaries out there trying to make a quick buck at the expense of honor, freedom, liberty, justice... go play your games with the assholes on mars, we dont want you here.


TAKE EARTH BACK TO IT'S NATURAL PRISTINE STATE.


fuck all this artificiality right in the eye socket.

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its all gravy dawg

good call

I agree

um, i sure hope u mean in harmony with the rest of natural habitants right?

I think if we the humans cannot use our word to get to such state, a massive world war will set us right back to the good ol times when there wasnt 7 billion of us around!
that is IF such a war doesnt OVER DO it-become a nuclear apocalypse-and send us all way back, back to garden of eden! where Adam made the first and worst mistake of mankind, bastard doomed us all to earth, left us on our own!!!! j/k

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Whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship, the people can always B brought 2 the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All U have 2 do is tell them they R being attacked & denounce the pacifists 4 lack of patriotism & exposing the country 2 danger. It works the same way in any country.

-Göring, 2nd in command of Hitler

Jingoism is defined in the Oxford English Dictionary as "extreme patriotism in the form of aggressive foreign policy".

but of course. an ecosystem cannot sustain itself unless all creatures are simply doing what it takes for them to reach the bare minimum of survival.

when they get out of hand, they wind up destroying the eco system, as such humans have been doing for the last thousand years or so.

we need to learn our place in the grand scheme of things, instead of thinking we are "god's favorite children" or some weird assed superiority complex bullSHIT.


all we need to do is agriculture, and humans have found their place on earth. nothing more is required than that;

pot for industry and sustinence (replaces meat with all the essential amino acids being in the plant, we dont HAVE to be carnivourous ALL the fucking time, only in the winter when we cannot grow our fucking food ).



hahaha i dont particularaly believe in the adam and eve scenario... lol


im sure there were a couple like that in the begining, but i am equally sure that they werent the only ones.


Plus the tree of knowledge is bunk in the bible version of things... leave it to rome to fuck up religious history haha


but yeah.. i dont think going back to eden is a bad thing either lol


i think killing the surface of the earth is a bad thing... i've grown fond of the sun, y'know... i would hate to live under ground close to the core!

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