I like cheese, and I like bacon. All those around me shall like cheese and bacon, for it is what our Lord says is true. Those who do not share me and my lords love for cheese and bacon are sinners, and shall burn in the firey depths of Yoko Ono's recording studio.

- Me... about 20 seconds ago

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"This is the ghost of normal everday assumptions which declares that the ultimate purpose of life, which is to keep alive, is impossible, but that this is the ultimate purpose of life anyway, so that great minds struggle to cure diseases so that people may live longer, but only "mad-men" ask why. One lives longer in order that he may live longer. There is no other purpose. That is what the ghost says."
- Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintainence.

I dont understand nor do I wish to, so I'll just post random shit.

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Mark my words, believe my soul lives on;
Don't worry, now that I have gone;
I've gone beyond to see the truth.
So when you know that your time is close at hand;
Maybe then you'll begin to understand;
Life down there is just a strange illusion.

Yep, the guy who has a Major in Philosophy and a minor in World Religions doesnt understand, nor has any desire to understand.

Understand that you can not make a valid point by referencing quotes from the bible or anything similar... It wasnt written by God, but by man, who is flawed, and susceptible to many faults.

"You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it's going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt."

- Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

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"This is the ghost of normal everday assumptions which declares that the ultimate purpose of life, which is to keep alive, is impossible, but that this is the ultimate purpose of life anyway, so that great minds struggle to cure diseases so that people may live longer, but only "mad-men" ask why. One lives longer in order that he may live longer. There is no other purpose. That is what the ghost says."
- Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintainence.

..uh i didnt major in philosophy or even take world religeons, but if I did it wouldnt matter because human knowlage is irrelevant.

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Mark my words, believe my soul lives on;
Don't worry, now that I have gone;
I've gone beyond to see the truth.
So when you know that your time is close at hand;
Maybe then you'll begin to understand;
Life down there is just a strange illusion.

Human knowledge is all we have. Its due to your "irrelevant human knowledge" that you even know anything these things in regards to religion.

See what you are doing right now is backpeddling. You didnt get the joke, or choose to ignore it for the sake of commenting back, that I made in regards to your religious quotes.

Just to spell it out for you though...

Anyone can make up quotes. And the wonderful thing about a book such as the bible or any scriptures is there is no way to prove or disprove anything that happened. Minus the whole great flood thing, unless im mistaken they have proven that it couldnt have happened when the Bible said it did.

Quotes from the bible, hell even the bible itself are meant to be things to help you through life. Not something to take completely literally, but something to help you lead a good life. Anecdotes and such to help bring some clarity to what a good life should be, in regards to that specific religion.

If Gods exist, and lets for the sake of fairness assume that any and all gods that have been believed in exist... how do you explain the differences in rules and practices that each God has laid down? Is one God wrong and the other right? One arguement might be that they are all the same God, but if that is true, then that just means that anything written down about a God(s) can not be true... because why would the same God tell different people different things in regards to how it all went down, and the rules that must be followed? Sounds to me like men meddling with other men through the use of a "greater power"'s voice.

And yes, I know you have repeatedly stated that religions themselves are corrupt and whatnot, but if you truely believed that, why are you not quoting from other religions scriptures instead of just ONE specific religion and its texts?

PS: I know I might seem combative in my posts, but I truely am not. I just find that being "soft and kind" in a discussion doesnt get anyone anywhere.

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"This is the ghost of normal everday assumptions which declares that the ultimate purpose of life, which is to keep alive, is impossible, but that this is the ultimate purpose of life anyway, so that great minds struggle to cure diseases so that people may live longer, but only "mad-men" ask why. One lives longer in order that he may live longer. There is no other purpose. That is what the ghost says."
- Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintainence.

Looks like a struck a nerve, human knowlage isnt all we have, its all you care to look at.

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Mark my words, believe my soul lives on;
Don't worry, now that I have gone;
I've gone beyond to see the truth.
So when you know that your time is close at hand;
Maybe then you'll begin to understand;
Life down there is just a strange illusion.

What else do we have? Faith? Faith is based on proported knowledge.

One of the definitions for faith from dictionary.com. Without knowledge, you wouldnt be on this computer. Without knowledge, odds are you wouldnt even know about any such thing as Gods as are known today, or in the past. You wouldnt have "immaculate" records such as the bible, or anything else. Without knowledge, you could not speak, without knowledge you could not think, without knowledge your life would be more pointless then a rock sitting in the middle of no where.

Even animals hold knowledge, and those with the most knowledge are found in positions of power, with the other animals recongizing their knowledge and yeilding before it.

One entire modern day religion is based upon the idea of knowledge. The first Buddha was a normal man, such as you and I, who through meditation and other methods, gained knowledge and arised to become The Buddha. He learned of nirvana, and was able to obtain it. Without knowledge, he wouldnt even know what the word nirvana was, or what a word was for that matter.

As has been proven time and time again, man interjects God and religion into his life when he lacks the knowledge and answers he needs to comprehend the things around us. Roman and Greek gods anyone? Or do you think that they existed as well? If so, wouldnt that mean that christian God is a liar? Or if nothing else, a very jealous protective person, not wanting to lose any of his flock, or why else have a commandment stating that you can worship no one but him?

And apparently you have some reading comprehension problems, as I flat out stated that I am not upset, nor have you "struck a nerve". I am having, or at least trying to have, a normal, competent, legitimate discussion with you. There is no need to try to bring in a person's emotional state, or what is running through their head in such a conversation, unless one is standing on a weak arguement, or has no interest in having a legit conversation to begin with.

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"This is the ghost of normal everday assumptions which declares that the ultimate purpose of life, which is to keep alive, is impossible, but that this is the ultimate purpose of life anyway, so that great minds struggle to cure diseases so that people may live longer, but only "mad-men" ask why. One lives longer in order that he may live longer. There is no other purpose. That is what the ghost says."
- Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintainence.

I disagree that knowledge is all we need. I strongly agree that knowledge is power, but it is what we do with that knowledge that counts. How do we apply it for our benefit and the betterment of mankind?

Also, it is experience that teaches us how to apply our knowledge. Reality has a way of tempering 'knowledge', and it can be difficult to merge the two.

"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge." Daniel J Boorstein

"Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." Albert Einstein


Caveat: I believe in learning something new every day, so I treasure knowledge and encourage all to seek it. Just understand that raw knowledge (information/data) is only useful when we have a known pattern to view it in, it is that experience which gives that knowledge usefulness to us.

Peace.

Our experience, which we use to teach us how to apply "knowledge", is knowledge in itself. Knowledge doesnt have to be about knowing the equation to explain the universe and all that happens in it, it can be as simple as knowing how to read, knowing how to breathe, or anything else that you can apply the word knowing to, bam, theres knowledge.

Now knowledge isnt neccessarily right or wrong. A person can know something, and know it wrong, just as easily as they can know something and have it be right.

PureEvil knows that there is a God(s). It matters little if he is right or wrong, that is his knowledge, everything he does is based upon it. You cant base something in your life on something you dont know, you dont know it, so it cant have an effect on your life by your decision.

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"This is the ghost of normal everday assumptions which declares that the ultimate purpose of life, which is to keep alive, is impossible, but that this is the ultimate purpose of life anyway, so that great minds struggle to cure diseases so that people may live longer, but only "mad-men" ask why. One lives longer in order that he may live longer. There is no other purpose. That is what the ghost says."
- Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintainence.

I'm sorry to announce out today that the Bible and Jesus are indeed fiction..oh well..

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1. obvious is a subjective word. in your case, reality isn't easily perceived or understood. 2. yes, i too agree that the bible is a big fairy tale. here are some more of your fake stories...

Question: "What does the Bible say about when God will judge us?"

Answer: There are two separate judgments. Believers are judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ (Romans 14:10-12). This judgment does not determine salvation, but rather is when believers must give an account of their lives to Christ. Believers are rewarded based on how faithfully they served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27; 2 Timothy 2:5). The things we will likely be judged on is how well we obeyed the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20), how victorious we were over sin (Romans 6:1-4), how well we controlled our tongue (James 3:1-9), etc. We will have to give an account for our actions, Romans 14:12 declares, “So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.” Unbelievers are judged at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15). This judgment does not determine salvation either. Everyone at the Great White Throne is an unbeliever and is therefore already doomed to the lake of fire.

Lol, I doubt I would recount my tale if I knew I was screwed no matter what. Why waste the time?

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"This is the ghost of normal everday assumptions which declares that the ultimate purpose of life, which is to keep alive, is impossible, but that this is the ultimate purpose of life anyway, so that great minds struggle to cure diseases so that people may live longer, but only "mad-men" ask why. One lives longer in order that he may live longer. There is no other purpose. That is what the ghost says."
- Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintainence.

Cannabis = Truth. Jesus = Cannabis.

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Lol, now now, when we stoop to his level, we are no better then he is.

A good lot of us recognize how weak his arguements and points are, and we should be able to slap them down without any anger or emotion at all, so base and simple his arguements are.

Although I do agree with you, religion, when it was created, was ingenious in its ability to use fuzzy logic and logical fallacies to defend its existance. And for those who dont take the time to try to really learn about the religions, and just choose to allow themselves to be indoctrinated by what they are being told, such as I would guess is the case with our friend, they never quite get what everyone else is chuckling under their breaths about.

BTW Pure, might want to look up what a Logical Fallacy is, wonder if you can pick out which ones you have used since the start of this converstation.

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"This is the ghost of normal everday assumptions which declares that the ultimate purpose of life, which is to keep alive, is impossible, but that this is the ultimate purpose of life anyway, so that great minds struggle to cure diseases so that people may live longer, but only "mad-men" ask why. One lives longer in order that he may live longer. There is no other purpose. That is what the ghost says."
- Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintainence.

yippie kay yay mother fucker

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Yes all you need to begin with is faith the faith that there is more to life, its not about gaining knowlage its about erasing false knowlage.

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Mark my words, believe my soul lives on;
Don't worry, now that I have gone;
I've gone beyond to see the truth.
So when you know that your time is close at hand;
Maybe then you'll begin to understand;
Life down there is just a strange illusion.

It's not because its vague its because the answers to all humanitys problems are so simple, that they choose glorifying themselves instead viewing the incredibly simplistic truth. You can comprehend this, its easy..but its way too easy for you apparently.

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Mark my words, believe my soul lives on;
Don't worry, now that I have gone;
I've gone beyond to see the truth.
So when you know that your time is close at hand;
Maybe then you'll begin to understand;
Life down there is just a strange illusion.

Most of what the bible's text is incomprehensible in the literal sense. The book is plagued with irony which only reinforces an individual's dependency on it. I tell you, the author of the bible was a man/woman of language, he/she could persuade anyone's heart with the mere use of words. Sort of makes you realize the power packed into these symbols manifest. And how the perfect words can easily sway a tender heart. And how the perfect words can easily create hope for a fragile generation.

Most of the key stories are forms of morality plays, too bad we spend so much effort looking at the scripts and actors in the plays we miss the morals.

The New Testament: MajMike's Translation, Abbreviated

"LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF!"

very funny..like I said multiple times before it cannot be explained with words, you have to experience it for yourself by allowing yourself to fade, I don't expect you to ever do it though, because you would rather put 100% belief in the act that yourself and most others put on 24/7. Its really difficult, but due to the vibration of the planet rising it is becoming easier every day. The planet will be cleansed of the anti-christ soon..i cant wait.

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http://www.myspace.com/pureevil760
Mark my words, believe my soul lives on;
Don't worry, now that I have gone;
I've gone beyond to see the truth.
So when you know that your time is close at hand;
Maybe then you'll begin to understand;
Life down there is just a strange illusion.

its simpler than a word, hense can only be viewed. Usually dont take things out of the bible but I'm guessing the 144000 is the number of masters it will take to destroy everyone else.

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http://www.myspace.com/pureevil760
Mark my words, believe my soul lives on;
Don't worry, now that I have gone;
I've gone beyond to see the truth.
So when you know that your time is close at hand;
Maybe then you'll begin to understand;
Life down there is just a strange illusion.

And I refuse to believe that you have found any spiritual enlightenment when you have an attitude and general view of the world and those in it as you do.

Spiritual enlightenment is not about just finding a path... its about purifying yourself from all that harms the soul, and allowing yourself to be above what makes us human, and see beyond the faults that blind us in day to day life.

You have yet to even once demonstrate the ability to do this in even the slightest way. You speak of enlightenment, and how we are wrong for not having reached it, but instead of doing what anyone who would be enlightened would do, ie help other people reach enlightenment or at least help them find the path to begin, you belittle them and claim superiority towards them. Someone who had seen and experienced enlightement would be above such things, they would not even cross their mind.

You are the kind of person all dieties despise as a follower. When given a gift, instead of using it to help spread their word, to help others, you use it as a tool to mock and belittle others. You take their gift, if you had ever even recieved it, and twist its purpose into something selfish and human.

As the Buddha has said, if you know you are in the state of nirvana, then you are not in nirvana. Enlightenment brings about a change in a person, and you recognize the foolishness in so many of our normal endeavours, things that do no good but to harm a persons soul and being.

More and more, I think you are just a foolish kid who saw something in a dream. If anyone or anything did reveal any truths to you, its becuase they felt a need to get you on the right path, because at this moment you come off as nothing more then some 15 yr old kid who thinks he is better then everyone else, and would prefer to spout off bullshit then do anything productive with whatever gift he might or might not have been given.

Even in religion and faith, people ask for answers. It doesnt even have ot be based on scientific theory, or anything close. But if you cant explain what your viewpoint is, then your viewpoint holds no water, and can not be taken as anything else then YOUR belief at best, or at worst, someone who is in need of some serious medication.

Human beings have, throughout history, had the ability to have a form of clairvoyence, a chance to see past the haze that normally obscures ones sight and vision. Nothing about it has to be religious or spiritual, but alot of people view it as such. And its very well possible that it is. But just as many athiests and agnostics have seen past the haze as people who have faith in a religion or diety.

Some people work their entire lives to have a chance to even begin to experience such a thing, both devote follower and non believer alike. If you have even slightly had a chance to experience such a thing, you have been given a gift, which you are choosing to waste at every possible moment. You sir do not appear to have ever deserved such a gift, with the way you act.

Its sad, but a fact of life, that sometimes even those given everything to help them live a good life, even great gifts that others would kill for, end up being wastes. If you truely recieved any such gift, dont waste it. Dont be that guy. And quit being a dick. You have people actually interested in trying to understand where you are coming from right now... dont squander it.

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"This is the ghost of normal everday assumptions which declares that the ultimate purpose of life, which is to keep alive, is impossible, but that this is the ultimate purpose of life anyway, so that great minds struggle to cure diseases so that people may live longer, but only "mad-men" ask why. One lives longer in order that he may live longer. There is no other purpose. That is what the ghost says."
- Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintainence.

I plan to light up a blunt with Jesus once I die

I said before, that I WAS enlightened, but lost it. So right now I am NOT in a state of enlightenment. So in this state I can say stuff like your posts are very idiotic in comparison to the other sceptics at least, your just a waste of time. I dare people to confuse me, and some do but you cannot. Stop trying son, at least until you have a slight chance.

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Mark my words, believe my soul lives on;
Don't worry, now that I have gone;
I've gone beyond to see the truth.
So when you know that your time is close at hand;
Maybe then you'll begin to understand;
Life down there is just a strange illusion.

in a bible verse my brother showed me it saias something like some thing and plant was here for man kind to enjoy

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