Thread: GOD CREATED ALL OF THIS!

Originally Posted by mainegrown

uh huh... u win.... cause everyone thinks you are being number then a pounded thumb. great victory to remember.
-J

Trolls get a weird sort of satisfaction. How long can they string folks along.

I get satisfaction from allowing them to demonstrate their idiocy. I figured a long time ago he was either a troll or he was actually about 10 years old. His last post confirmed one or the other.

Originally Posted by BlueBlazer

I figured a long time ago he was either a troll or he was actually about 10 years old. His last post confirmed one or the other.

but the hope always remains that such folks will actually come up with something new. they seldom do, but it's always worth a shot.

the strangest part of this for me is that i'm actually defending religion on another forum and i keep confusing the two threads. every time i post in either i have to read back to remember where i am. yes, i am a bit psychotic.

Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity

but the hope always remains that such folks will actually come up with something new. they seldom do, but it's always worth a shot.

the strangest part of this for me is that i'm actually defending religion on another forum and i keep confusing the two threads. every time i post in either i have to read back to remember where i am. yes, i am a bit psychotic.

Sometimes it's fun to play devils advocate

Originally Posted by BlueBlazer

Trolls get a weird sort of satisfaction. How long can they string folks along.

I get satisfaction from allowing them to demonstrate their idiocy. I figured a long time ago he was either a troll or he was actually about 10 years old. His last post confirmed one or the other.

I already told you that I am 20. But the reason I said that, my not so smart freind, is because you lack to bring ANYTHING somewhat resourcful with what you say. I'm backing EVERYTHING I say up with facts. You and your posse on the other hand... ehhh not so much! hehe... You guys are literlly backing out of this debate... CUZ YOUVE BEEN HAD!!!

Let's just put it this way. There is no theory in the history of science that has more holes, problems or detractors than Neo-Darwinism. It’s the most troubled theory in all of science. The best evidence for this comes from a most curious place: Stephen Meyer’s recent book “Signature in the Cell.” I suggest that you and your posse of atheists go and READ the book so you can get some basic knowlege of what DNA really is and how it works.

Just like the Berlin Wall back in '89, Darwinism will FALL in the near future. It will FINALLY be silenced FOR GOOD.

"The wall will fall. Beliefs become reality."

Track down some Egyptian texts on Metaphysics. It's what Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, and Islam are based upon. Those folks had enough information about the formation of the universe, that we are still using their Mathematics, Astronomy, and Physics concepts to this day. Please become informed, then decide what you think is going on, then get more informed, dump your previous notions and enjoy the ride of conscious, unending, evolution!

Originally Posted by chris62008

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That's what you have to add to this. Nothing. Troll somewhere else.

hey at least he is only on this one thread... keep him here, cause if i find him spamming my log im gonna flip...
and 20 y.o chris... wake the fuck up man... god aint real he is a figment of your imaination... the human mind is VERY good at seeing patterns... like one in OUR DNA...
-J

For all those who dont believe in God give me some good explanations why you dont, and ill give you some reasons i do.

Sit in a room where no one will bother you open your heart to Jesus and talk to him thats his number just pray, i've felt his holy spirit every time i pray every time i sing his song or simply just the act of sharing his word.\

Whats the feeling you ask well for me its the warmest most loving and most joyest feeling in the world and before anyone chimes in with their two cents about how this feelings can be from something else you try.

Plus everyone who dont believe in the Bible or God just cuz it was written along time ago, your basically telling me that everything in the history books didnt happen just because it took place before our time, I mean theres alot of people who saw Jesus and witnessed his miracles, but i guess there will always be haters n those tricked by satan him self

Religion....a carry over from the Dark Ages or latent human superstition that something has to be greater then they are. And, they are correct. Its the physical universe, not some [I]guy in the sky[I]watching and recording and creating every and anything. From the state of the world, one would have to believe they were a psychopath to create and observe constantly a world like ours!!!!!

Originally Posted by BlueBlazer

That's what you have to add to this. Nothing. Troll somewhere else.

and where is your response brainiac? what are you adding to this?? NOTHING but your "smart aleck" remarks thats what!!! I know you feel backed in a corner because you cannot come up with ONE good scientific reason to support your thesis!!!!! instead of bashing what I say,, maybe you can come up with a counter-argument?... o wait,, you already tried that... THANK YOU, COME AGAIN!

Originally Posted by mainegrown

hey at least he is only on this one thread... keep him here, cause if i find him spamming my log im gonna flip...
and 20 y.o chris... wake the fuck up man... god aint real he is a figment of your imaination... the human mind is VERY good at seeing patterns... like one in OUR DNA...
-J

I didnt know that proving atheist all over the world wrong was considered "spamming"!!! darn.. i think i might want to find a better job than..

listen here buddy, I"M the one whos awake.. YOUR sleeping... Time for you to read up on SCIENCE and awaken that brain of yours,, cuz by ALL means.. SCIENCE PROVES A GOD (or creator)... I mean, if you can find a code that is created by a natural process than you can disprove my theory... If you can't, well than your stumped... like ALL atheists!

Originally Posted by chris62008

and where is your response brainiac? what are you adding to this?? NOTHING but your "smart aleck" remarks thats what!!! I know you feel backed in a corner because you cannot come up with ONE good scientific reason to support your thesis!!!!! instead of bashing what I say,, maybe you can come up with a counter-argument?... o wait,, you already tried that... THANK YOU, COME AGAIN!

Counter arguments don't work with trolls. I noticed you haven't even disputed that you are one. I've already presented logic which you ignore and you haven't addressed even once the questions I've asked you. You just make claims, without a shred of backup, with the sole intent of agitating. Again, prime behavior of a troll.

You're wasting your time here troll.

Originally Posted by Richol

For all those who dont believe in God give me some good explanations why you dont, and ill give you some reasons i do.

I don't believe in god because I've never seen a shred of hard evidence. I'm glad you find solace in your faith. I can't have that faith because I'm a born skeptic. I require proof and there is none.

Besides, even if there was a god, doesn't mean that it's your god does it?

Originally Posted by BlueBlazer

Counter arguments don't work with trolls. I noticed you haven't even disputed that you are one. I've already presented logic which you ignore and you haven't addressed even once the questions I've asked you. You just make claims, without a shred of backup, with the sole intent of agitating. Again, prime behavior of a troll.

You're wasting your time here troll.

STILL no counter-argument??... I'm starting to get suspicious on who's REALLY the troll in here... lol *shakes head while laughing*

Originally Posted by chris62008

STILL no counter-argument??... I'm starting to get suspicious on who's REALLY the troll in here... lol *shakes head while laughing*

Answer my question. Have you ever read the entire bible?

i have a couple times and i find it is a great read...full of wisdom and most of the rules that it outlines make sense if you can get past all the god-bullshit....
only thing that i dont get is how people can think that a book written by a MAN could be taken as the word of GOD???
chris answer.. how can you prove there IS a god... scientifically please bro.. no more of this DNA BS either.. i looked into that and almost everyone in the field seems to think that that is a big ass load of BS written by someone with an agenda to push.. not an impartial third party.
prove that if there is a god that it is YOURS and not mine and also prove that you are not a troll by doing so in a non-confrontational manner please..
-J

Originally Posted by mainegrown

i have a couple times and i find it is a great read...full of wisdom and most of the rules that it outlines make sense if you can get past all the god-bullshit....
only thing that i dont get is how people can think that a book written by a MAN could be taken as the word of GOD???
chris answer.. how can you prove there IS a god... scientifically please bro.. no more of this DNA BS either.. i looked into that and almost everyone in the field seems to think that that is a big ass load of BS written by someone with an agenda to push.. not an impartial third party.
prove that if there is a god that it is YOURS and not mine and also prove that you are not a troll by doing so in a non-confrontational manner please..
-J

what do you mean none of that DNA BS?? how is DNA BS?? DNA is purely scientific and obviously is a code. Well.. if YOU can tell me one NATURAL PROCESS that creates coded information than you can discount EVERYTHING I said.

Originally Posted by BlueBlazer

Answer my question. Have you ever read the entire bible?

not entirely from front to back.. however, I have gone over the entire bible and I have a pretty good amount of knowlege on it

i think that trying to say that DNA is a code that was ARTIFICIALLY created is bs... there are many codes that are naturally created. look up info on the Fibonacci sequence and tell me that there are not naturally created codes and i wont talk anymore..
many things in nature SEEM to be 'created' because they have a sense of 'order'.. it is just that doing things the 'right' way often seems to the human mind to be 'created' because it isnt the way WE would do it but it works better than the way we WOULD do it so we think that it HAS to be a 'greater mind'/'supreme being' when in reality the 'perfect nature' is just the result of millions of years of trial and error..
so i can say that DNA being a 'created code' is bs because i cant see any proof that it was more than the result of many errors and cullings.. and the end result is US!!
and if dna were to be 'created' by god.. and god created us in his image and he gave us dna but he also gave dna to all of the other plants and animals then how can we claim to be the end all be all greatest thing.. and how can you think that you have the right to do anything to our mother the earth?? if your god created the earth and you believe that your god is so powerful then why is there direct evidence of evolution.. in the form of fossils and such of EXTINCT animals that died out because they were NOT perfect..
sorry if my thoughts are a bit disorganized i am testing a friends crop and its GREAT
-J

Originally Posted by chris62008

I'm just curious on how anybody doesn't understand and accept this. Why not? It's the only thing that can possibly even be true. All the other "theories" out there just contradict themselves and quite frankly just talk in BIG circles.

I think you fail to realise that the Christian concept of 'God' is also a theory and no less full of contradiction than any other theory of existence.

Maybe the reason I don't, as you say, 'understand and accept' the Christian creation myth is because I did not have it, or any other dogma, rammed down my throat during during my formative years.

I think that is a distinct possibility.

Originally Posted by sarah louise

I think you fail to realise that the Christian concept of 'God' is also a theory and no less full of contradiction than any other theory of existence.

Maybe the reason I don't, as you say, 'understand and accept' the Christian creation myth is because I did not have it, or any other dogma, rammed down my throat during during my formative years.

I think that is a distinct possibility.

same here maam... no one forced shit down my throat and i feel just fine about it.. my family is all about doing what YOU believe in not what they think you SHOULD believe in. i happen to share their views but they let me come to that conclusion by MYSELF.. thank you very much..
-J

Originally Posted by mainegrown

i think that trying to say that DNA is a code that was ARTIFICIALLY created is bs... there are many codes that are naturally created. look up info on the Fibonacci sequence and tell me that there are not naturally created codes and i wont talk anymore..

-J

so when you say "Fibonacci sequence" Im guessing your relating to bee waggles and tree rings for the most part and yes! your right,these things are most certainly codes. but they derive from DNA, and therefore don't count as examples of naturally occurring codes, since DNA has not been proven to have a naturalistic origin.

Originally Posted by chris62008

so when you say "Fibonacci sequence" Im guessing your relating to bee waggles and tree rings for the most part and yes! your right,these things are most certainly codes. but they derive from DNA, and therefore don't count as examples of naturally occurring codes, since DNA has not been proven to have a naturalistic origin.

Do you know the origin of Jehovah? Jah, or the mighty Lord and God from the various Bibles that have been edited by no less than King James of England, came from a time when the Jewish folk were separated into various tribes throughout the desert. Jehovah was just one of many Gods. The whole "monotheistic" conquering Lord who is the one and only God is a misinterpretation of some Egyptian texts, misread by Greek scholars, then turned into a hybrid religion of the Roman/Pagan Christians. It was a combination of so many elements, all of which are derived from a polytheistic religious base. What if Jesus is actually the story of an Egyptian Pharaoh, and his story was stolen and mutilated to fit the pantheon of a conquering Roman war machine?

Here's a postulation for you.....

What if Nature is the supreme being? What if Nature encoded into Humanity, this concept of God, to ensure the survival of a race, that without some sort a Higher Power to reconcile with, would destroy themselves entirely? What if some people have this code deeply engraved in their DNA through the ages, and others have evolved differently. Neither is wrong, Neither is right. Both are just part of a whole. One side ensures technological advancement increases, along with scientific achievement, and the other attempts to bring an internal awareness, along with a rooted base in worshiping life, and being compassionate. Of course these two examples are very open ended, and black & white. The grey area is much larger in the Human species.

Originally Posted by chris62008

so when you say "Fibonacci sequence" Im guessing your relating to bee waggles and tree rings for the most part and yes! your right,these things are most certainly codes. but they derive from DNA, and therefore don't count as examples of naturally occurring codes, since DNA has not been proven to have a naturalistic origin.

Saying "DNA" has to be created is merely a variation on "the universe" has to be created. There is no proof that it was created, just the opinion. I don't have to disprove this claim, because it has not been proven to anyone's satisfaction except those who want it to be true.

Originally Posted by chris62008

not entirely from front to back.. however, I have gone over the entire bible and I have a pretty good amount of knowlege on it

I guess I knew that would be your answer. How can you run your life and all that you believe from a book you've never read in it's entirety?!? It's mind boggling.

You have a pretty good amount of knowledge on it?!? You've gone over the entire bible? As opposed to reading it? What does that even mean? Oh, your pastor has gone over it for you. So where does your certainty come from? I'll tell you. Indoctrination and brain washing. Really read the entire book from cover to cover and you will experience a lot of doubt. Trust me on this.

Or you can keep to the 10 or 12 bible versus your pastor had you memorize to bother non-christians with. Whatever.