A Troubleshooting form! Yay! You know you wanted one!

Discussion in 'Plant Problems' started by stinkyattic, Jul 31, 2007.

  1. bigtopsfinn

    bigtopsfinn Registered+

    Feel free, to start your own threads

    Not gonna get much help in this thread...

    beensoup - in your new thread, tell us what the ph is before feeding (everything already in the mix)! 6.7 is way off for hydro... should be below 6.0.
     
  2. Rusty Trichome

    Rusty Trichome Registered+

    I've been troubleshooting here at CanCom for a few months, and still I have problems deciphering the other form.
    Since I had a couple of days of free time lately, I came up with these revised forms. (one for soil, one for hydro)
    If you think this is easier to use or understand, or if there is anything I missed, please chime-in.
    Also, if the mods would prefer I could start a fresh thread for these, but I never got a response when I asked.


    -Soil Grows-

    What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)

    Your Equipment:
    1.) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)
    2.) Distance from tops?
    3.) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)
    4.) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?
    5.) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?

    Your medium:
    6.) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...)
    7.) Size of container.

    Your nutrients and water:
    8.) Source of water. (tap or filtered)
    9.) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...)
    10) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...)
    11) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
    12) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)
    13) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate?
    14) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph?
    15) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?

    Your growroom:
    16) Indoors or outdoors?
    17) What size of closet, room or hut?
    18) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
    19) Noticed any insects in the growroom?

    Your strain:
    20) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
    21) From seeds or clones?



    -Hydro Grows-

    What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)
    What type of hydro set-up are you running?

    Your Equipment:
    A) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)
    B) Distance from tops?.
    C) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)
    D) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?
    E) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?
    F) Size of reservoir?

    Your nutrients and water:
    G) Source of water. (tap or filtered)
    H) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
    I) What is the ec/ppm of your unadjusted tap (or filtered) water?
    J) What is the ec/ppm of your nutrient solution?
    K) What is the temperature of your nutrient solution? (high and low temps)
    L) Does your ec/ppm show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check?
    M) Does the ph fluctuate?
    N) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you
    spray? (Just after lights come on, just before they go out...)

    Your growroom:
    O) What size of closet, room or hut?
    P) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
    Q) Have you seen any bugs in your growroom

    Your strain:
    R) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
    S) From seeds or clones?
     
  3. Dutch Pimp

    Dutch Pimp Up in Smoke

    I concur.
     
  4. phatsesh101

    phatsesh101 Registered+

    looks good lets use a couple of times and see what comes of it
     
  5. Italiano715

    Italiano715 Registered+

    For Soil Growers...

    How about how often are you watering? or would that be considered the feeding schedule?
     
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2009
  6. Rusty Trichome

    Rusty Trichome Registered+

    Good one Italiano, thanks. Will edit that into my copy, or into it's own post if there's still an interest. Hydro never get's straight fresh water unless to correct a problem, right...? Quantity of runoff when watering/feeding came to mind also.

    I guess it could get too complicated if worried about the minutia, but am seeking the perfect troubleshooting form, lol. :thumbsup:

    Any additional imput or suggestions is/are welcome. I'm not trying to step on anyones toes, just trying to make it a bit easier to follow the troubleshooting form.
     
  7. Italiano715

    Italiano715 Registered+

    Umm not too sure, you mean like how often is the reservoir changed. I think hydro changes the reservoir every 2 weeks or so....Not sure as I'm not a hydro grower though.

    Was also thinking to adding to the how often you water one.....how much water are your giving them also. Like 1 gallon water each pot....2 gallons water each pot, etc.

    Let me reword how I was thinking this.....

    "How often (times day/week) do you water and how much water is given to each container, pertaining to the size of the container?"

    If ^^^^ makes any sense to ya......
     
  8. Bongtok4u

    Bongtok4u Registered

    I am one my 3rd day of bubbleponics and am having problems from the get go.
    second day of production i woke up to my ressi full of foam and the pump was barley working. does anyone know what causes this? Also i noticed my ressi water was stinky. what would cause that to happen. my ph level was 6.8 but now is 6.4 and slowly dropping do to ph down i put in today. I also live on well water is that good to use? My plant are starting to turn yellow at the bottoms and are drooping more everyday. Could i get some help or a push in the right direction. lights i am using are 2 cfl 46 watts and 2 led 56 watts.
     

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  9. Rusty Trichome

    Rusty Trichome Registered+

    This isn't a troubleshooting forum, it's the troubleshooting form. Try copying and pasting the appropriate form to your new post in the Plant Problems section, answer the questions, and someone will be with you shortly. :thumbsup:
     
  10. Bongtok4u

    Bongtok4u Registered

    thanks rusty short and sweet
     
  11. headshake

    headshake Registered+

    rusty, how about method for checking if your plants need water in the soil section? i know this might be a bit much.

    also, in the hydro section, how about res temp?

    that's the only things i saw.

    i think it's awesome. sorry i didn't know your were gonna make one or i wouldn't have started another thread.

    what about lighting schedule and and color spectrum? the spectrum might be a bit nit picky.

    just trying to be productive. if i said something that's there i just missed it and disregard.


    -shake
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2009
  12. crabbyback

    crabbyback Registered+

    Kudos

    Great troubleshooting form rewrite. I can see that a novice (or non-native English speaker) might find it easier than the coded form.
     
  13. Rusty Trichome

    Rusty Trichome Registered+

    Since I had a couple of days of free time lately, I came up with these revised* troubleshooting forms. (one for soil, one for hydro)
    If you would kindly copy the appropriate section, (hydro or soil...not both) and post it into your own thread, and answer the questions.
    The answers you provide to this form will help other's to get the full picture, and be better able to diagnose the problem. Answer all questions as best you can. Missing answers may lead to an inaccurate diagnosis and treatment plan.
    Good luck to ya...:thumbsup:
    ( * with all due respect to stinkyattic)


    Soil Grows - Peat Based

    What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)

    Your Equipment:
    .1) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)
    .2) Distance from tops?
    .3) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)
    .4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?
    .5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?
    .6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?

    Your medium:
    .7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...)
    .8) Size of container.

    Your nutrients and water:
    .9) Source of water. (tap or filtered) What's it's ph?
    10) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...)
    11) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...)
    12) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
    13) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering?
    14) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)
    15) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate?
    16) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph?
    17) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?

    Your growroom:
    18) Indoors or outdoors?
    19) What size of closet, room or hut?
    20) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
    21) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?

    Your strain:
    22) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
    23) From seeds or clones?
    24) Is this an autoflower strain?



    Hydro Grows - Coco, NFT, Hempy Bucket...

    What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)
    What type of hydro set-up are you running?

    Your Equipment:
    A) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)
    B) Distance from tops?
    C) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)
    D) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?
    E) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?
    F) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?
    G) Size of reservoir?

    Your nutrients and water:
    H) Source of water. (tap or filtered) What's it's ph?
    I) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
    J) What is the ec/ppm of your unadjusted tap (or filtered) water?
    K) What is the ec/ppm of your nutrient solution?
    L) What is the temperature of your nutrient solution? (reservoir high and low temps)
    M) Does your ec/ppm show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check?
    N) Does the ph fluctuate?
    O) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you
    spray? (Just after lights come on, just before they go out...)
    P) How often do you replace reservoir water/nutes?

    Your growroom:
    Q) What size of closet, room or hut?
    R) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
    S) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?
    T) Are the roots long and white, or brown and slimy?

    Your strain:
    U) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
    V) From seeds or clones?[/QUOTE]
    W) Is this an autoflower strain?
     
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  14. headshake

    headshake Registered+

    looks good rusty. now if we can get a sticky! anyone? anyone? anyone with sticky ablility slap a sticky on that thing!

    rusty, what do you think? should it be copied and pasted in with questions? i guess what i'm getting as is a set of directions for people to read BEFORE (hopefully) they start to fill it out. for a standard of uniformity, ya know?

    looks good!


    -shake
     
  15. phatsesh101

    phatsesh101 Registered+

    maybe one for out door like environment,hours of shade, direct sun, in the ground, in a pot, condition of local soil if mixed and maybe locally grown crops


    nice job:jointsmile:
     
  16. Rusty Trichome

    Rusty Trichome Registered+

    If they copy and paste, they can easily provide answers after each question. At least I'd think so...and the easier they make us understand their circumstances, the better the chance of their success. (neatness counts, and detention if work not shown) :jointsmile: Answers in bold would be nice, too. Easier to scan the list. :thumbsup:

    But if history is any indication, it'll get filled out many different ways. Sort of a quasi Rorschach test, lol.


    Well, someone with outdoor experience could likely throw one together with more insight than I, but it's a damn good Idea and I'm bummed I didn't think of it. <sticks tongue out at phatsesh>
    (were you by chance volunteering?)
     
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2009
  17. justanotherbozo

    justanotherbozo Registered

    hey Rusty, would you mind if i copy and pasted this on another forum?
     
  18. Rusty Trichome

    Rusty Trichome Registered+

    Umm...I personally don't mind, but I'd ask a mod before doing so...I guess. Seems it would be the right thing to do. :thumbsup:
     
  19. headshake

    headshake Registered+

    i think we are missing res temp and did you pre soak your medium under the hydro section.

    -shake
     
  20. Rusty Trichome

    Rusty Trichome Registered+

    Res temp is L. on the list, but no...didn't do the ph'ing the rockwool one.

    Am curious why FBR never answered my request for guidance regarding this project. I asked him a couple of times if and how I should approach this, but nada.. I wonder...do I take his silence as acquiescence or disapproval...?

    Has anyone with outdoor experience put any thought into the outdoors form?
     

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