Bernie Sanders Will Consider Legalizing Marijuana

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  1. Galaxy

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  2. emilya

    emilya Future Dispensary Owner

    Never trust a communist. Big Brother Bernie would probably hand out Soma too... you got to keep the masses content to accepting mediocrity in a Marxist society, so.... Marijuana for all! Let's lower ambition nationwide!
     
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  3. Shovelhandle

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    You are such an ass, em. why don't you just stfu about your political beliefs so we don't have to devolve into the bullshit.
     
  4. emilya

    emilya Future Dispensary Owner

    Such is the nature of politics. If you don't have a strong opinion, check your pulse... you might be dead.
     
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  5. Shovelhandle

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    I might be dead?

    Your defamation and derision is considered trolling. Last I fell for that on another site I used a swear word. You were all, don't use harsh language to a lady. A bunch of your fan boys put out the hate to me and I was banned. Somehow one person saw it for what it was and I was quickly reestablished.

    To Ms., "I'm an economist"...
    economist
    one who, starting from a position of over-educated and under-informed logical supposition, commences making erroneous and devastating judgements about the functioning of the world, and then formally codifies their misunderstanding in dogmatic and arrogant absurdity
     
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  6. emilya

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    It is only considered trolling when you don't agree with what I say... until then I am just an extraordinarily active member of the forum. It would also be trolling if I immediately and constantly jumped on every post that you made, stalking you as it were. You will note that I do not comment on a vast majority of your postings.

    I did enjoy your definition of an economist, and find it surprisingly accurate. I did note however that when a liberal can't or won't discuss facts, such as, Bernie is a communist, they resort instead to attacking the commenter. My dear critic, you were banned at that other place because of your own words, not because of something that I said. You were let back in because it is not the nature of that place to ban someone unless they really have to. I didn't agree with the ban then either, I actually enjoy our little conversations. I also have noted that you apparently have no problems with me humorously attacking Christy on another thread, just as viciously as I attacked Bernie if not more so, but I guess you are ok with me lambasting a Republican. Where is your outrage there?
     
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  7. gardenermendo

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    Sanders is the longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history.

    Sanders has been particularly critical of mass surveillance policies such as the Patriot Act.

    Emily, what you apparently don’t know, is the difference between socialist elements and communism. Our American society includes many socialist elements. We need both capitalistic, and socialist elements. Big corporations are ruthless and make decisions all the time against what is good for humanity. If it wasn’t for government and laws, car makers never would have emission control systems in vehicles. Companies are interested in profit at the expense of the consumer. They tend to suck up huge amounts of wealth and capital and deliver it to a rather small number of people. It wasn’t capitalism which was concerned about the social wellbeing of retired and disabled Americans and led to the passage of the Social Security Act of 1935 (during the first term of Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, who held four terms of office as President.)

    And did you know, Albert Einstein was a key proponent of Socialsim? Einstein also supported Gay rights, he was one of the thousands of signatories of Magnus Hirschfeld’s petition against Paragraph 175 of the German penal code, condemning homosexuality.

    It’s always interesting to see what history tells us.
     
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  8. Shovelhandle

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    EM sez..."I did note however that when a liberal can't or won't discuss facts, such as, Bernie is a communist, they resort instead to attacking the commenter."

    I do not see any attack in my comment. As usually you attack and then cry. Your comments were as I called them, slanderous and shit-stirring. That is what trolls do. That is trolling. Outrageous false comments to bait others into discussion for amusement.

    You have no idea about my political leanings. I do not attack republicans, especially elected officials. I show respect for the office they hold. I always have issues with many of the presidents' policies, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Shrub... Some policies such as trade agreements that cost middle class American jobs and tax loop holes and foreign tax havens make me cringe regardless who was in power and signed the agreements/bills. I voted very split ticket in our last state elections. I am very negative on our present democrat governor, speaker and many statehouse officials. But I do not slander, ridicule or insult them especially behind the anonymity of the internet. I do see that you are a right wing ... follower.
    Bernie Sanders is our junior senator from Vermont. He is not a communist, so your slur is slanderous and an insult to Senator Sanders as well as his constituents (although there are constituents that do think like yourself, we have FOX News here too). As mayor of Burlington, Vt. he was a member of a political 'third' party called Liberty Union. Now he is an Independent (as was our Honorable Jim Jeffords, formerly a Republican until he could no longer stand the hijacking of the GOP by big money interests with the help of the religious right ). We have many alternate parties here in Vermont and I'd be pleased if more of them (left and right) were more known to the populous. The two party system is really screwing us up as there is no way of getting anything done with the money buying all the power, both parties. Back to Bernie. He is not a communist and neither are the people of Vermont who vote to send him to Washington to represent us. People of Vermont are generally independent minded people, both politically and socially. Vermont was always a RED STATE until 1988. The switch in majority was/is not wholesale nor was it about the national political climate. There are still lots of GOP, Democrat and many indies and alt party supporters here. This can be witnessed by the comments on Vt news blogs etc. So don't think VT is all, left wing liberal kooks or something. Just like I'd imagine wherever you're from there are some fine reasonable people as well as the radical 'thinkers' and crude internet gasbags.
     
  9. gardenermendo

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    I hate to say it, but calling her an ass was an attack. LOL.
     
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  10. emilya

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    Democratic socialists such as Bernie are typically seen as the most radical left-wingers and they advocate the outright replacement of capitalism with socialism for the good of the people. European parties such as Greece's Syriza or Spain's Podemos aim to drastically reduce inequality through radical changes in policy. Democratic socialists would have government inject itself into the financial system and take control of natural resources to help the broader populace before private profit.
    The problem is that there really is no definition of socialism, and it is understood by many political scientists to be simply a transition stage between capitalism and outright communism, and only when it becomes illegal to own a business, does it become communism. China for example has been a capitalist society economically for some time now, but by definition they are still a communist state. Our society is a mixture of both capitalism and socialism, and it always has been. This isn't as you claim above to limit big business, but instead because it has been found that things work best when business and government work in partnership. The mix has worked well here in America until just recently, when it has become fashionable to speak out against the evils of big business, income disparity, fair shares, or this silly idea that sucking up a lot of capital among a small group of entrepreneurs is somehow harmful to any other human being. All of these catch phrases have been heard in history before and they are clarion calls that mark the leanings toward true marxism and eventual communism in a society. A study of the Russian revolution is interesting, to see how this message in an impoverished society can take over a population, and this study shows how important it is to stop people like Bernie before these ideas can take hold. Many patriots will tell you that this is the plan, the Cloward Piven plan to be exact, and that Obama and the rest of them on the left mean to bring in a new way of thinking, with the first step being to overload and bankrupt our society with social programs, and make society ripe for the tenants of true marxism. I and many like me will fight Bernie and his communist message to our dying breath, and I really don't think he has a chance to win the presidency because of it.
    And yes, I do know that Einstein was a globalist and believed that we would not advance as a human race until we stopped fighting over borders and religions and finally became a one world government and people. I will also state that anyone who has a couple of brain cells to rub together should realize that what two people do in their bedroom is their business, not the governments or anyone else's, and to use laws or moral edicts to regulate people's sexual lives is simply wrong... why does this bother people so?
    So yes, I overly dramatized the situation by calling Bernie a communist, when in all actuality he is a Democratic Socialist. All policy has an end point however, a goal that is trying to be achieved or a point of perfection that is trying to be attained. This culmination of socialism ends up defining marxism, and the culmination of marxism, when all is owned and controlled by the state, is communism.
     
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  11. Shovelhandle

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    do not feed the troll
     
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  12. emilya

    emilya Future Dispensary Owner

    lol... can't argue the points, attack the presenter. Isn't the whole point of posting on a public forum to get comments? In a political season, is not just mentioning a name and a position, actually inviting the same??
    Just on the merits of both Christy and Sanders using marijuana as talking points, isn't that sort of stupid in the first place, knowing that you instantly alienate half of the population just by opening your mouth? How does this speak to them as leaders or political tacticians?
     
  13. Shovelhandle

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    last word lizzy... Knows it all, all her opinions are stone cold fact, never been wrong so what is the use?
     
  14. emilya

    emilya Future Dispensary Owner

    don't like educated women much do you Shov?
    I sort of liked crude internet gasbag. :)
     
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  15. gardenermendo

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    Emilya, you go too far. You don't post facts so much as you post your opinions. This site is not a place to argue politics. It is appropriate to post positions politicians take on cannabis, here on this site, but that is all it should be here.

    I appreciate the fact that Galaxy informed us of a position a presidential candidate was taking relative to cannabis. Thank you Galaxy.

    Emilya, I'm glad you recognize "Our society is a mixture of both capitalism and socialism". There is no justification for calling anyone a communist, unless you know specifically they are a member of a communist organization, who identifies themselves as such.

    Please take your interests to spout your political opinions elsewhere.
     
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  16. emilya

    emilya Future Dispensary Owner

    tough room, but I see where I stand. Someone can rail against republicans and conservatives all day long on other threads, but let someone give their honest opinion and argue from the other side and everyone gets hurt. I am not the only one calling Bernie a communist by the way...
     
  17. gardenermendo

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    So, instead, Emilya, tells us which candidates you know about, who will be supportive of cannabis?

    Read the Politics thread guidelines. No name calling.

    Some people like to call names. I don't intend to be one. But I will shout "stop" to those like you who like to spin things.
     
  18. emilya

    emilya Future Dispensary Owner

    I do not think cannabis is a hinge issue or one that should be addressed in the election campaign because none of them will do what we need them to do, that is, totally remove the restrictions on industrial hemp, total decriminalization and removal of cannabis from the Schedule 1 list. I think the two idiots right now using it as major talking points in their campaigns are shooting themselves in the foot by doing so. They are banking on the support of whoever feels that this one issue makes or breaks a candidate in their opinion. I know, again I am giving my opinion, not facts... i am soo soo bad.

    I believe that these things we want will happen because of pressure from the states and the ever aging people who need the medicine. They will force congress and the Executive office to meet the needs of the people, eventually, but I also believe that we still have a long long road ahead of us to get there. The next president is not going to be allowed to do all this, there are too many pieces in play, powerful players who will stop fast movement in this direction.

    So, I vote on the economy. I vote for jobs. I vote for smaller and more efficient government. I vote for a change in the way this two party system has everything tied up. I vote for capitalism.
    There are several candidates that I would vote for at the moment... let's see who makes the cut. Right now, my money and my support is on Trump. Oh sorry, that has nothing to do with cannabis so I am a bad bad girl for bringing him up.
     
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  19. Dutch Pimp

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  20. gardenermendo

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    You just don't quit, do you Emilya?

    Same old spin.

    Trump has done a flip flop on drugs.

    "During a luncheon hosted by the Miami Herald in April 1990, Trump slammed U.S. drug enforcement policy as “a joke,” and argued that tax dollars from a legalized, regulated narcotics industry could be spent on programs educating Americans about the dangers of drugs and addiction.

    “We’re losing badly the war on drugs,” he said, rightly so, to the crowd of 700 people. “You have to legalize drugs to win that war. You have to take the profit away from these drug czars.”

    Then the flip flop.

    "Last June, he said that he opposes pot legalization. “I feel strongly about that,” he told Sean Hannity."

    Four of Trump's businesses have declared Chapter 11 bankruptcy

    I vote for intelligence. And Trump isn't showing any.
     
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