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Cloning without rooting gel or powder

Discussion in 'Growing Information' started by Philly28, May 30, 2012.

  1. Philly28

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    Hi can you clone a plant that is flowering without using rooting gel or rooting powder i want do do it naturally and any info would be great thanks in advance the pics included are my plant
  2. DoktorFaustus

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    I don't think your pictures uploaded properly or maybe I just can't see them.

    I took some clones after sexing my pants when they had been one 12/12 for about two weeks and were starting to pre-flower, and of nine clones from three plants, all pulled through. Of coarse, I use an areoponic cloning system. I'm trying some clones in pure tap water in dark glass bottles in a window sill with some cuttings I took today. I'm going to do three w/ rooting powder and three without. I'll be happy to share my results!
  3. Philly28

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    Yeah any input would b great il try uploading pics now

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  4. LetsSeeYa

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    Those are a bit farther in flower then i thought, which its not a good idea to clone in flower, but they may make it. I would use the rooting hormone though as its main ingredient comes from the Willow tree and if ya have one of these tress you can make a tea out of it to clone with, but there is not advantage to not using a cloning gel/powder.

    What are you trying to prove by not using the cloning powder, it is all natural i do believe. Lookup Willow trees its a good read about how a branch will float down a river and start to grow as they have the natural rooting hormone in them.

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  5. Crownius

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    This has worked for me. And during Flowering too. i had around a 80% success rate usin

    “Willow Water” is a homebrew plant rooting hormone that is easily made and can be used to increase the strike rate (growth of roots) of cuttings that you’re trying to propagate.

    The way that it works can be attributed to two substances that can be found within the Salix (Willow) species, namely, indolebutyric acid (IBA) and Salicylic acid (SA).

    Indolebutyric acid (IBA) is a plant hormone that stimulates root growth. It is present in high concentrations in the growing tips of willow branches. By using the actively growing parts of a willow branch, cutting them, and soaking them in water, you can get significant quantities of IBA to leach out into the water.

    Salicylic acid (SA) (which is a chemical similar to the headache medicine Aspirin) is a plant hormone which is involved in signalling a plant’s defences, it is involved in the process of “systemic acquired resistance” (SAR) – where an attack on one part of the plant induces a resistance response to pathogens (triggers the plant’s internal defences) in other parts of the plant. It can also trigger a defence response in nearby plants by converting the salicylic acid into a volatile chemical form.

    When you make willow water, both salicylic acid and IBA leach into the water, and both have a beneficial effect when used for the propagation of cuttings. One of the biggest threats to newly propagated cuttings is infection by bacteria and fungi. Salicylic acid helps plants to fight off infection, and can thus give cuttings a better chance of survival. Plants, when attacked by infectious agents, often do not produce salicylic acid quickly enough to defend themselves, so providing the acid in water can be particularly beneficial.

    Willow water can be made from cuttings of any tree or shrub of the willow family, a group of plants with the scientific name of Salix. The more cuttings that are used and the longer they are soaked in water, the stronger will be the resulting willow water. Recommendations for the exact method of soaking vary. Cold water can be used, and soaking times of four or more weeks are often quoted. Other gardeners use boiling water to steep the willow twigs and soak the mixture for around 24 hours.

    How to Make “Willow Water”
    Here is the procedure for making willow water:

    Collect young first-year twigs and stems of any of willow (Salix spp.) species, these have green or yellow bark. Don’t use the older growth that has brown or gray bark.
    Remove all the leaves, these are not used. Don’t waste good green material though, compost the leaves or throw them in the garden as mulch.
    Take the twigs and cut them up into short pieces around 1" (2.5cm) long.
    The next step is to add the water. there are several techniques to extract the natural plant rooting hormones:
    a) Place the chopped willow twigs in a container and cover with boiling water, just like making tea, and allow the “tea” to stand overnight.

    b) Place the chopped willow twigs in a container and cover with tap water (unheated), and let it soak for several days.

    When finished, separate the liquid from the twigs by carefully pouring out the liquid, or pouring it through a strainer or sieve. The liquid is now ready to use for rooting cuttings. You can keep the liquid for up to two months if you put it in a jar with a tight fitting lid and keep the liquid in the refrigerator. Remember to label the jar so you remember what it is, and write down the date you brewed it up, and to aid the memory, write down the date that it should be used by, which is two months from the date it was made!
    To use, just pour some willow water into a small jar, and place the cuttings in there like flowers in a vase, and leave them there to soak overnight for several hours so that they take up the plant rooting hormone. Then prepare them as you would when propagating any other cuttings.
    The second way to use willow water is to use it to water the propagating medium in which you have placed cuttings. Watering your cuttings twice with willow water should be enough to help them root.

    .. Just look for a Weeping Willow :D
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2012
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  6. Cheech_G420

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    i never knew that about the Willow Tree... Thanks for the tips.. Learn something new everyday
  7. Bloomin Idiot

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    Bubble cloning, just use plain old water. Just takes a few more days. Willow water or Bayer asp work too.

    This hippy Denver guy shows you how, best way to clone imo, with clonex(not dip gel or powder-a water additive) in the mix you have rooted plants in 7 days.
    tokin daily: the bubble cloner - YouTube
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2012
  8. GirlsGrow2

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    I didn't have any on me and was pruning plants, so I went ahead and stuck the cuttings into soil without it. It's been about two weeks now and I've lost about 25% of them so far. I'm pretty sure the other ones are rooting.
  9. looselipssinkships

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    I use ez clone aeroponic cloner I take cuts at more or less same stage as you and have 100percent success with or without clone x gel small tent 200 watt cfl rizotonic and low water temps perfecto
  10. lipps

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    If you leave enoughgreen leaf after you take the buds they can be re-veged just put them under 16 hours of light and wait until they have enough new growth then clone them.
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  11. built2spill

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    I have dug plants up from an outdoor harvest and brought them inside to veg into mothers.

    Cloning flowering plants can be done and I have used willow tea before on my clones. Great post btw Crownius. Cloning in a willow tea or straight water is my favorite way to clone. Just buy a cheap fish tank aeroater to keep oxygen levels up and wait for the roots to come.

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