deep thoughts...

Discussion in 'Spirituality' started by MiddleburgsBum, Jun 11, 2005.

  1. MiddleburgsBum

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    My question is, If there where ever a human to be born into the world and never learn language or how to speak, ect. If a human has no language how can it think? THink about it, what language do u think in? Probaly english, but what if u didn't have english, then what language would ur thoughts be in? I beleive this single aspect of life set back humans for hundreds of years. Or maybe even could be what stared our brains to develope. When Sub-Human species like all those apes began to communicate, their lanuage started to develope and there for they began to think, and then our brains started developing...I wonder what other things that we cant even comprehend could trigger huge brain developtaions in the future of man kind...
     
  2. naturalmystic

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    There is a specific part of the brain that allows speech. Primates don't have it, so that is why they make noices and grunt.
     
  3. Beeblebrox.420

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    That's not quite right. First of all, humans are primates, make no mistake about that. Secondly, other species of primates do have the brain structures which allow for language. Many studies have suggested that some of the great apes (gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans, etc.) naturally use language to communicate with one another. What they do lack are the necessary modifications to the throat and mouth which are required for speech. But, they can use grunts and gestures to effectively communicate with one another.

    Other studies have shown that gorillas and chimpanzees can learn language, and apply it to complex concepts, much the same way human children do. They've been shown to have a sense of "self", just like we do, and we're more similar to them than we are different. For some good information on primate language studies, read the articles here and here.
     
  4. mellow mood

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    u talk with images. what do u think babies are doin? they stock images, and they associate it with words. if u never learned how to speak, well u will just think with images. strange but true :)
     
  5. MiddleburgsBum

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    nice way to put it, but what about things you've never seen? are you bound to think about only experience?
     
  6. Delta9

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    He might think in emotions, and over sense of happiness, sadness, fear, ect. depending on his surrounding environment.
     

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  7. naturalmystic

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    That's basically what i said..
     
  8. justinsane

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    thats a great fucking question.....
     
  9. Beeblebrox.420

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    Well, no. That was more or less the opposite of what you said. :p
     
  10. robert42

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    i have a neighbour (21 years old now) who ever since they were born suffered from 'self mute' she can speak but she hasnet spoken since being born apart from a couple of times. cos of this she didnt have a education making her uneducated all she has ever had is life classes where she learns how to live with her condition.

    Pretty sad really :(
     
  11. naturalmystic

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    That's one thing the internet ISN'T good for.....conducting sarcasm.
     
  12. MiddleburgsBum

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  13. BluntArtist

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    I've always wondered what it would be like if I was the first human that used his/her entire brain. Einstein said we'd be pure energy, never dying; only transforming.
     
  14. Beeblebrox.420

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    That "we use only 10% of our brains" deal is utter rubbish. We use nearly all our brains all the time. Every segment of a healthy human brain is used at least once during a typical day, and most are in use constantly. Think about it: it takes a considerable amount of energy to grow brain cells. Why would an organsim expend so much energy to grow brain structures which are never or rarely used?
     
  15. kr1Nx01

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    The "we only use 10% of our brains" statement is a bit misleading - a broad statement used to cover the general principal of normal brain function. What it really means is that our brains filter out so much information received from the outside world that only about 10% of it is actually utilized as final sensory input. It's a basic function of sobriety; without it, you would probably go insane (see below).

    These filters can be bypassed with the help of psychotropic drugs, or removed with the help of knowledge.

    If you were to compare an MRI of a normal sober person to an MRI of that same person on LSD, you'd see that in the first MRI, only about 10-20% of the brain is mapped with activity; the second would show the majority of the brain mapped with activity. This is because LSD's primary function is to open previously-unopened channels in the brain and remove many filters imposed by normal brain function (a normal dose of LSD is almost COMPLETELY metabolized within 30 minutes, so it's not the drug's agonism itself that makes you trip for 8 hours, but the previously unexplored pathways it opens). LSD is psychomimitec, and when an MRI of a person under the influence of LSD is compared to that of a mentally ill patient, little difference can be noted.

    So basically, if we "used all of our brains", we would become a race of insane, or at least would appear so to any people left still "only using 10% of their brains".


    Addressing the original question, read up on Plato's theory of the divided line of knowledge. It's an interesting topic that pretty much covers your thoughts on this matter.
     
  16. BluntArtist

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    Severing the Corpus Callosum (The little piece of tissue that connects both hemispheres of your brain) is sometimes done to reduce the number of seizures with people that have epilepsy. The seizures occur because of too much activity going back and forth between your left and right sides of your brain. Of course there would be adverse effects of someone's brain suddenly turning into a supernova of electric activity. I'm talking about people evolving physiologically to handle that type of brain power...to clear up what I mentioned earlier. :eek:
     
  17. Beeblebrox.420

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    Care to narrow that field down a bit? There are hundreds of distinct mental illnesses which manifest uniquely identifiable patterns on an MRI scan. Which one of these does LSD ostensibly mimic?
     
  18. kr1Nx01

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    schitzophrenia.
     
  19. naturalmystic

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    then how do you explain parrots...... who talk.
     
  20. Beeblebrox.420

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    Well, they don't talk, they mimic. They don't underestand the underlying meaning of what they are saying, although they can learn to associate words and phrases with people, things and events. They don't have the brain structures necessary to parse complex language.
     

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