Dogs & Cancer

Discussion in 'Medicinal Cannabis and Health' started by hottrageous, Jul 31, 2013.

  1. JJM1378

    JJM1378 Registered+

    Hi Weez,
    Not sure if you remember me but you helped me out tremendously. My little guy had surgery to remove the tumor 6 months ago....right after he was diagnosed. The vet said without Chemo and radiation, the TCC Tumor would come back rapdily & the dog would not survive past 6 months. Well, I never got him chemo or radiation, just kept dosing(and giving him the piroxicam that the vet recommended) & sure enough he's still kicking seven months later. went for a follow up and xray showed his abdomen was still clear and hes running around with more energy than before. Hopefully he still has a few years left in him, Just wanted to say thanks again

    P.S. He's still on a rice size dose 2x a day. Should i scale back to a maintenance dose & if so, how much should that be on an 18lb boston terrier/yorky??

    Last edited: May 15, 2017
  2. Gary Trentham

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    Update: Lilah had her 3 month check-up MRI. Cyst is still there, but it has not gotten any bigger. Good news is since she now has a mesh plate in her head, the cyst can grow out that direction instead of down, putting pressure on the plate instead of her brain. Still have her on oil, but now just 2 times a day instead of 3. She is more clingy now than before, but still pretty much back to her old self.
  3. Weezard

    Weezard Registered+

    Good news all around! :)
    My pups mammary tumors are gone!
    She had 4, large, fast growing, fugly tumors.
    I was having vision problems at the time and didn't see them until they were well established.
    I felt them when I had to pick her up to move her after she collapsed.
    She had lost 20 pounds.
    She was very ill and had lost interest in everything.

    Mammary cancer.jpg
    They went into remission rapidly on a small oil dosage. (~ 50 mg. RSO, 2x per day)
    Could almost watch them shrink.
    (According to the wife)
    Gained back the lost weight, and the sparkle in her eyes
    Now, we're back to long, happy walks with my perky 11 year old pup.

    She still has some soft tumors in her armpits, but they have stopped growing and do not seem to bother her.
    Looks like shes got some good years left.

    Yes, scale it back.
    I'd just "print" a dot on a treat for that small a dog.
    1/4 to 1/8th of a rice grain. Just a tiny, (2 - 3 mm.) dot

  4. BonsaiDude

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    Weez thanks for helping countless dog owners. You are a karmic warrior! I am so grateful that I found this thread!

    Four days ago my 13 year old, 23 pound Boston Terrier, Captain Pickles, began dramatically vomiting food, water and mucus. He had no interest in food and didn't have any enthusiasm to go on a walk. The Captain was diagnosed with TCC and the vet gave him 2 months to live and a bottle of Tramadol. He has a tennis ball sized tumor on his bladder. The good news is, is that it has not metastasized to his lungs or other vital organs yet. His blood work came back and he has slight anemia and the vet is worried that his calcium level could become low. Surgery is not an option and we have decided against radiation and chemo.

    Captain Pickles was a rescue who rescued me. He is the first dog I've ever owned and has been with me through college, multiple moves across the country and was my wingman that brought my wife and I together when we met - The Captain sealed the deal!

    We missed catching his TCC because his symptoms of multiple, low yield urinations previously had been treated as a bladder infection as he wasn't painfully straining to urinate. We have been giving him topical CBD for a year, to help him recover from trips to the dog park and long walks. This could have worked against us catching a more serious condition because maybe the CBD masked any pain that would have let us know The Captain was suffering from TCC when he was urinating. We also thought we were caring for him the best we could, by making him homemade organic dog food and giving him fish and coconut oil daily to keep him healthy. He loves to eat grass and what we didn't count on was the real and present danger of living in an urban area that has a lot of landscaping and grass sprayed with glyphosates like Roundup.

    I live in a non-medical State, but will be sourcing some RSO made from the Cannatonic strain. I am seeking your advice on if this strain will have enough THC in it to actively fight his tumor? It was the only strain of RSO I could source in a timely manner. In your experience with RSO, how important is the strain in the effectiveness of its cancer fighting properties? And how helpful has RSO been with helping dogs with TCC?

    In the meantime after reading this thread till I obtain the Cannatonic strain RSO. I have been giving The Captain pinhead sized amounts of some CO2 hybrid dab wax that I had lying around to relieve him of pain every 8-10 hours. It has drastically helped him with pain, much better than the only pill of Tramadol we gave him. His quality of life is much better being treated with dab wax than it was being on Tramadol. His appetite varies from challenged to near normal but at least he can hold small amounts of organic beef liver down. He follows me around the house, jumps on the couch and is able to rest easy and without pain. If his new reality was going to be a painful, Tramadol side effected stupor, I was gonna put him down and let him run in the dog park in the sky. But The Captain's reaction to the dab wax has given me hope that RSO treatments will offer him a better quality of life going forward.
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  5. Weezard

    Weezard Registered+

    Mahalo for the kind words.

    Cannatonic is a good choice for cancer treatment and pain relief.
    The CO2 wax dabs are only good for pain.
    Solvent derived RSO contains enzymes that Butane, and CO2 extractions leave behind.

    I find that strain is less important than proper dosage.
    "More than enough is too much."

    So start with a very small amount of RSO.
    ~ Roughly 2 mg. per Kg.
    The Captain weigh about one kilo. So 2 or 3 mg. would be a good start.
    If you see obvious signs of intoxication, or anorexia, cut it back.
    With the low THC content of Cannatonic you may have to increase dosage a bit.
    But again, if The Captain looks ripped, cut it back. They don't have to get high to have remission.

    As to your second question, I have no information for TCC & RSO.
    Making your documentation important, yah?

    Tramadol is an effective analgesic for dogs but some dogs are more sensitive to it and require a lower dose. Same goes for any medication.
    Boston terriers have a speedy metabolism and usually get by on less.

    I wish Cap'n Pickles a speedy remission and you the best of luck.

  6. MJ Wilson

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  7. MJ Wilson

    MJ Wilson Registered+

    I don't understand what is going on, I cannot post a message to you Weezard?
    Huh? I have tried numerous times and cannot get "start a new conversation" or even "reply" to give me anything other than a topic line?
    Crap, I wanted to bounce something off you, for your thoughts.
  8. Weezard

    Weezard Registered+

    Board is screwed up.

    Started a new "conversation".
    If you can't post there. Come and PM me on icmag.
    It works.
    And while this part seems to be functional I'll say that, once again, more than enough, is too much.
    I had slowed growth on high dosage, (750 - 1000 mg. per day).
    But when I dropped the dosage to the sweet spot on the bell curve, ~ 70 - 100 mg.), my PSA reading dropped by 25%!
    That's the first reversal in 10 years.
    Overdosage is counterproductive.

  9. MJ Wilson

    MJ Wilson Registered+

    I went on ICmag, I have to wait 24 hrs. before I can message you :), Thank you for your input, there is more so I will try catching you on IC tomorrow once my account is up and running with them. :)
  10. Banditsmom

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  11. Banditsmom

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    I am trying to post a ?? and it won't let me. I have a 35 lb husky/Shepard mix. He was diagnosed with a brain tumor today. I have RSO but unsure of dosing. Would you please help me???
  12. Banditsmom

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  13. Weezard

    Weezard Registered+

    I believe that the information you need is in this thread.

    For a 35 pound pup, one fourth of a grain of rice would be a good place to start.

    10 mg. of strong RSO is an effective dose for a 140# person so 2.5mg. would be the same mg. per kg. with a 35 pound dog.
    But dogs have a faster metabolism and can't tell us what they are experiencing, so I'd cut that to 1.25 mg.

    How to titrate?
    Use the butter dilution .1 gram of oil in 1/4 lb. (~112 grams) of butter.
    Each gram of that butter will then contain ~10 mg. of the oil. Cut that gram in 1/8ths and you will have 1.25 mg. per dose.
    Use a half pound butter and cut the gram in quarters if that's easier for you.
    Or a pound of butter, 1 gram of oil and cut the grams in half.
    If there is no visible effect, increase the dosage until the dog notices. Then back off a smidge.

    I use a small smear directly from the syringe in a #3 gelatin capsule for my 80 pound wee beastie. Because I'm lazy.
    But I used the butter trick to find that dosage.

    Aloha, and best of luck with this.


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