Dogs & Cancer

Discussion in 'Medicinal Cannabis and Health' started by hottrageous, Jul 31, 2013.

  1. Weezard

    Weezard Registered+

    All I can tell you is not all oil is the same.
    And dogs, like people, have individual reactions to THC.
    I think a "crash test dummy" is needed here.
    Have you tried ingest some of that oil yourself?
    I'd try the same amount that you gave her.
    If I feel it at all, I'd know that it's way too strong for her.
    If I get little of no effect, that would tell me that she is very sensitive to THC.
    In which case you might be able to break that amount into 3, or more doses throughout the day.
  2. AllieGirl

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    Thanks for your speedy replies weezard!! I think I might have found her dose.. She only had some mild shivering in the very beginning after I gave it to her ,Improved after dose of CBD. And she ate a big meal and sleeping comfortably nowHopefully all night.

    Should I try a lower dose tomorrow. Or keep it there? Can't believe how small the dose had to be. This is a 50cc:1G concentration and she only got 0.02cc.

    Glad this is working out better for her I didn't want to be the crash dummy
  3. Weezard

    Weezard Registered+

    That's what friends are for. :)

    Good news on the dosage.
    That does sound like very potent oil.
    It's not all about percentages.
    The mix ratio of stereo isomers is key to potency.

  4. stevetrentwilliamson

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    This is what Rick Simpson has to say about this,

    "In my opinion, there is no better medicine to give to an animal. I treated my own dog with wonderful results. It is a known fact that dogs have a much faster metabolism then humans. In many cases dogs heal so rapidly, that you can almost see it happening.

    If you have the proper oil, I do not know of any treatment that is more effective to treat cancer in dogs or humans and usually dogs can be cured of this dreaded disease in a very short time. Usually dogs only require a few grams of this oil to rid themselves of cancer, so if I were you I would get the dog on the oil as soon as possible.

    When treating dogs internally with the oil there is very little to be concerned about, for if the oil was produced from strong medicinal strains of Indica they have a very sedative effect and even if you gave a dog far too much it would simply go to sleep, but once the dog awakened you will find that it has not been harmed.

    The oil cannot cause harm to the dog even if you were to give the dog far too much, if you have the proper oil all it would do is cause the dog to sleep and when it awakens it will be unharmed.

    If I were you I would start the treatment with two drops a day, once in the morning and once in the evening and then slightly increase the amount the dog is taking every four days until the dog is cured. As for treating the dog externally, all you have to do is apply the oil and cover it with a bandage and then apply more oil every three days, I hope this will answer your questions about treating this dog properly.

    Dogs love to take the oil, but often cats can be somewhat indifferent so you may encounter some problems in getting the oil into the cat, so I would just try to mix a small amount of oil in with their food. Animals heal very quickly when compared to humans and since the oil presents no danger, there is no need to worry about the oil harming your cat, even if you were to give the animal far too much.

    But keep in mind that giving your dog the right dose is extremely important for their safety and well being. Apart from that, it might be worth a shot.
  5. Soconina

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    Update - Sibel

    We gave her the oil, and after one of the tumors disappeared, she had 2 more popping.
    We decided to go for surgery. Before surgery she had tests done in the spleen and liver, and both turned out cancer free. She is now still recovering from the surgery. The margins were all clean. Out of 7 tumors, 2 were not cancer, 3 were grade II, and 2 were grade I. We continue giving her the oil, 2 times a day. After she will recover from surgery, she will get all the other natural supplements. The oncologists said that they don't think she needs any other treatment such as chemo, or immunotherapy.
    This is a happy story, and it will remain so!
    I don't know how much the oil helped, or will help, but it doesn't do any harm, so now both my dogs take it.
    I hope that everybody will be healthy and happy.
    Best wishes,
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  6. Liz M

    Liz M Registered

    Hello, first I want to thank you for a thread like this and all the information here! I've read through it twice, first right after my dog/best friend was diagnosed with an aggressive form of mammary cancer and then just now again that I'm a little calmer and able to understand things a bit better. (We're two weeks from her diagnosis currently)

    Evelyn is 11/12 year old pit bull who we rescued at 6 years old. She was over bred and has had several mammary tumors removed over the last 4 years, all benign or "undetermined". We believe this cancer may have started in her lymph node and spread like rapid fire (she is seen often by a handful of specialists for monitoring). Once we confirmed the cancer (Inflammatory Mammary Carcinoma) we started her on chemo the next day and CBD oil (human grade) as well. This past weekend we added in THC in the form of 1:1 oil for her. I also have RSO oil that i'm hoping to work my way to soon.

    So far I've been doing a tiny dot of the 1:1 oil on a jerky strip (thanks to this thread) and adding a little extra straight CBD oil to it. So far, so good! She has not had any bad side effects and had a really great weekend (after beginning the THC Friday night). The chemo seemed to stop the obvious growth of the tumors quickly. I'm realistic and know she's older and this is a losing battle but my hope is she has many more really happy months left and I want to do whatever I can. I'm hoping to end up just doing the oils sometime soon, she goes for a recheck on Nov 2nd.

    My question is just this, am I doing this right? Just keep slowly increasing the size of the dot until I've taken it too far? Then determine her limit and readjust? She is the chillest dog in the world (and the sweetest) so I'm not surprised she's handling things well so far. Oh she's 74 lbs, too. Any advice or critiques on how we're handling things are welcome! Thank you again for all the information here. : )


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  7. Weezard

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    Excellent job!

    As for increasing the dosage?
    Obvious shrinking of visible tumors means you may not need to, yah?
    Sounds like you've nailed it. :)
    That make me very happy.
    I love Pits and Evelyn is adorable,

    Jessica the MonGrel is still doing well, though her age is showing.

    Me? I'm happy as a clam. :doublethumbs:
    Just got my PSA test reading, and after adjusting my dosage downward to ~140 mg. for the last 6 months, it is shrinking by 8% per year.
    Have dropped the dosage to 90mg. for the next test period to see if that speeds remission.
    That will be 1 mg. per Kg.
    Down from 1.5mg per Kg. I was taking.
    If that proves to be more effective. I'll drop Jessie's dosage from 40mg. to 30 mg.

    Tryin' to make this world a mo' betta place, one dog at a time.:cool:

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  8. stevetrentwilliamson

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    Pet owners who wish to give their dog cannabis oil should first speak to their veterinarian. Afterwords, owners who have access to a medical marijuana card can visit a reputable medical dispensary and further buy the cannabis product that is best suited to their pet’s needs.
  9. Stacyjovi

    Stacyjovi Registered

    My 11-12 year old pitbull, Brownie, had lost a bit of weight, but she needed to lose a few pounds anyway so I wasn't concerned as she was acting normally, eating normally & my husband had stopped giving her as many treats. Several weeks ago she started limping and then one morning she had blood in her ear. I took her to the vet and she diagnosed an ear infection, blown eardrum, arthritis and a torn ligament in her knee. We were prescribed ear drops, rimadyl and rest. I continued the CBD oil & MSM/Chondroitin supplement & started giving her some blueberries, kale & bone broth with her food. We returned to the vet the next week, the ear infection was still present and her ear was still bleeding, so they stopped the rimadyl, started prednisone and gabepentin & we continued with the ear drops. We returned to the vet the next week, the ear infection was cleared, but since the previous week she had mostly lost her interest in food and just laid around all day looking mopey, I figured it was from the gabapentin. At times she seemed rather restless and uncomfortable and I assumed it was from her leg hurting her and gave her the gabapentin every 12 hours instead of every 8. Each time we visited the vet she had lost another pound, down a total of 12 now in the last year. She now weighs 50 pounds. We returned to the vet this week to check her weight & ear as it had bled again. The swelling in her ear was finally reduced enough for the Dr. to get a good look in it. Her ear drum was intact, but she could see a small growth that she said may or may not be cancerous. She said we could go to a specialist to have her sedated to have the growth removed and biopsied or if it was cancer (unfortunately I can't recall what kind she said) it would spread to her lungs, so she said we could do a chest x-ray. The x-ray showed spots all in her lungs and the radiologist said it was cancer. The vet than said she believes it started from a growth on her tummy and referenced mammary cancer saying it had metastasized to her lungs, but it's not on one of her nipples so I'm not sure. I feel like every time I've taken her to the vet I've gotten a different story, so I'm uncertain as to anything they've said and also a bit annoyed & frustrated. What started out as an injury and ear infection has now turned into cancer. My girl went from being as normal and healthy as an old gal can be, playing ball a few laps in the backyard, running up & down the stairs, eating normally etc. to lethargy, skin & bones, being carried up & down the stairs & a general lack of interest in anything.

    She's always eaten Taste of the Wild, but when she lost interest in food, I got her a package of the raw meat diet from the frozen section of the pet store and she did love that. Unfortunately I can't afford that for every day, so I boiled up a chicken, kale, dandelions & some veggies and she's been eating that pretty well, even started looking a bit better, more alert, tale wagging, etc. I also started giving her cottage cheese & flax seed oil as well as AHCC, a liver support supplement & boswellia acid. I'm taking her to a holistic vet on Thursday, have read some on the RS oil and am looking for guidance & dosing info. I'm in a legal state and have a cannabis card and I'm not sure if I should try making my own, buying it from a club or how to proceed. I don't want her on the prednisone, but am also worried about taking her off of it, how she will respond or feel if I do and am not sure how to wean her down from it. Any and all info, help and advise would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for all the details, but it's been such a roller coaster the last month or so.
  10. I hope I am posting this in the right place. Our 45 lb, 11 year old Schnnodle was just diagnosed with Lymphoma and he is declining fast. What can we do OTHER than get him on chemo?
  11. Reading a lot about Rick Simpson oil and CBD oil. I have no idea how to get either and I want to give some to my dog like, NOW. I think I have CBD oil near by. Are all oils more or less the same? Does it matter if it is a CBD oil that my brother had on hand? Can I try that!?!?
  12. Weezard

    Weezard Registered+

    Yes, you can try it. It will do no harm.
    Will it be curative? Ah dunno.
    I have personally witnessed remission with RSO.
    I haven't tried plain CBD oil.

    When I saw the FDA test result on commercially available CBD oil, the CBD content had little to do with the claimed amount. It was all over the ball park.

    I opted to make my own RSO and treat my Prostate cancer and my dog's mammary cancer with it.
    I'm still here after 11 years.
    And my old MonGrel is frisky as a pup again.

    Give it a try.
    Please post details and results.

  13. Gary Trentham

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    Weezard, just a quick compliment to you. Whenever someone has a question, you are so quick to jump in and offer knowledge and advice on this subject. It has been over a year now since our doggie was diagnosed with a brain tumor. Whilst Colorado State was able to operate and remove 50% of it, it's the oil that has helped keep the 50% left from killing her. Everyday with our girl is a pleasure, and we owe that to your help.

    Thank you and keep up the good work!
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  14. Wow. Just W O W. Thank you for getting back to me! I have a friend trying to track down some RSO but can I get some from you? I live in GA. I would like to get started on this ASAP!
  15. Weezard

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    Sadly, no.
    Wish I could help, but an old friend just popped a huge melanoma.
    That's going to take all I can make for a while.
    You'll be better served by a local grower anyway, for legality reasons.
    Mailing RSO is a felony.
    You might ask around in the Georgia forums but keep in mind the the terms of use here forbid "hookups".
  16. VakarianZ

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    I've heard good things about if you want someone to handle the logistics for you :)
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  17. Leslie W.

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    I've found the best way to dose a dog with RSO (Rick Simpson Oil) is the suppository method. I say best because the dogs won't get high. The cells in their large colon quickly absorb the THC and send it cursing through their body to kill cancer cells, but because the THC is not processed through their liver like with an oral dose, so they don't get high.

    I first tried oral doses, very small, and my dog was high as a kite and clearly did not enjoy this experience. I felt like a terrible pet-parent causing such profound stress in my sick dog. I did some research and discovered the suppository method and tried it. My dog did not get high, acted so normal I was doubting if it was even working. But I knew the RSO was strong because when I gave it to her orally she wouldn't move from her bed for 20 hours, and was just twitching. Same RSO oil, same dose, but this time in a suppository delivery system and she showed no ill effects. None, zero.

    Only THC will kill cancer, and after the cancer is cured still give daily or weekly low doses to keep it from coming back. CBD oil works for seizures and maybe pain, but if your dog has cancer you need concentrated THC, also known as RSO. Don't screw around with cannabis butter, edibles, or CBD oil.

    My 11 year old golden retriever was diagnosed (x-rays and ultra-sound) with an inoperable tumor on her liver and given a month to live. She wouldn't eat and and was quickly losing weight, lethargic with no energy. The vet said her cancer was stealing her calories and she would be dead within a month. After starting her on RSO suppositories and tailoring her diet to what she showed preference for (cooked ground beef, or boiled chicken breast, sometimes canned salmon or sardines, raw beef ribs, a little broth softened quality kibbles to help her have healthy bowel movements) she started gaining weight. Her energy returned. Its been a few months and she's doing great!

    I dose her with .03 of a gram (1/3rd of a gram) once or twice a day. I make the RSO in a rice cooker following directions from Youtube videos. There are a number of online supplies to make your own torpedo shaped suppositories, google it. But I just use a plastic syringe the vet gave us once to dose cats orally with liquid medicine. I measure the .03 dosage on a digital scale into a folded metal 1/4 teaspoon. Mix in a little olive oil so it easily sucks up into the syringe applicator. I heat the teaspoon briefly in a metal pan to dissolve the olive oil and RSO mixture (because RSO is thick) and then use the plastic syringe to suck up the dosage. I add a few drops of olive oil as a lubricant on the plastic tip and lay down with the dog and slowly insert it just past her anus/sphincter muscle, about 1 to 2 inches inside is perfect. Squeeze out the dose. They say don't go deeper than 5 inches otherwise the liver will absorb it and the dog with get high just like an oral dosage. At first the dog was like "what are you doing up my ass!?" But now she relaxes and its over in 3 seconds and doesn't hurt a bit. They say to make them lay down for 10 minutes afterwards to ensure it is absorbed.

    My dog has/had internal cancer. But for external tumors folks should also consider neoplasene. Google it, its works! Or if your dog has internal bleeding, sometimes associated with tumors of the spleen, use the Chinese herb called "Yunnan Baiyao" which is available at most stores, even Walmart. I talked with some people who had a dog with internal bleeding from a tumor and the vet expected it to die within days but using Yunnan Baiyao they stopped the internal bleeding and it lived 6 more months which is a long time for big dogs with advanced cancer. Good luck, and never give up!
  18. Weedpup

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    Sorry in advance - this is a repeat post - I am new and trying to reach Weezard.

    Weezard - my 13 year old lab (70lbs) has a STS (nerve sheath) on his right front paw. Been through a removal (grew back) and palliative radiation (grew back). I had him on RSO before radiation but took him off because it was all a lot for him. His tumor hit a critical size about 2 months ago so have been giving 1:1 RSO (FECO actually) from a Mendicino grower my vet recommended. He is 25 days in at about 2 grains of rice two time s a day and rubbing it (2-3 grains 2x/day) diluted with almond oil directly on the tumor which is just sub q and very large (1/2 baseball). 3 days ago he stopped wanting to put weight on it so he won't stand without assistance and barely limps. It was sudden. His attitude is down - he is eating, but picky and wants to be hand fed. My question is multi-fold: 1. Apoptosis - could apoptosis from the cell death be causing acute swelling that is pressing on (nerves... whatever). If so, how does that work? How long does it last? what do I do? 2. I don't want to stop treatment - how would you proceed? He is on methyl-pred (4mg two times a day) and he is taking pain meds (Gabapentin 300mg 2x day and Tramadol 50mg 3x day) - the meds are sedative - I'm concerned with dosing and not making him sick or dizzy. The FECO strain is INDICA, but it can activate him before it sedates him. Any advice is so very appreciated.
  19. Weezard

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    I saw your other post, been running it around in my head for a while. Did some research.

    That's possible, but I do not know.
    I will say that 2 grains is a bit much for a 70 pound dog.
    It is additive to the topical absorption.
    'twere me, I'd cut it back.

    Now the hard part.

    He's a Lab, he's 13 years old.
    We might get him through this, but for how long and at what quality?
    Nerve sheath tumors actually have a good survival rate and you have done everything we know to do for him.
    The rapid recurrence, and aggressive growth is exacerbated by his age.

    I know how painful this is to hear, it is quite painful to say.
    If even good RSO is ineffective, it is time to start thinking from his POV.

    If you ask him not to die, he will do as you wish, no matter how painful.
    That is love.
    You may have to break your own heart and tell him it's ok to go.
    That is also love.

    I'm not advising that you put him down.
    You asked how I would proceed.
    I'm just saying, that at this point, I would need to think about it.

  20. Weedpup

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    I hear you - I am an animal rescuer and have been through end of life decisions many times. Though I am careful and mindful with my decisions - I have seen enough miracles to give the pet the benefit of that possibility. I always try to put the pet before myself. It does break my heart each time no matter the life-span. In this case he just completed a course of zebra fish stem cells (I'm not kidding) and he is on the FECO - both of which ideally cause apoptosis and the potential for swelling. So for me if the swelling is cell death related I'm going to give him a little time to see it through - if it is clear it is progression I know what to do. He is a Katrina rescue and almost died - was 35 pounds when we found him 111 fever/heat stroke - woke up blind with total organ failure - pulled through and can see fine - 2 other times he almost died and astounded the vets by pulling through - though when it's your time it's your time this pup is built of something different. I'm not going to withhold treatment while we wait to see if the change is cell death related. I just want to make sure the FECO I am giving is doing no harm.

    Thank you for your response. I have one last question: I have read through as many of your threads as I can and I see that you recommend (as you did with me) to be more moderate in volume of dose than many recommend (I have been told by others 30 grams in 90 days). Can you explain your philosophy to me just a tiny bit more? I am a moderate in all things especially medication, I just have read so much about pushing the dose hard...

    Thanks in advance.

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