First grow ever (practice run)

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  1. R4gn2r0k

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    Hey everyone im new to growing so go easy on me
    :)
    This grow will most likely be a fail but will give me some experience, currently i am growing from a unknown seed given to me by a friend.

    It is 11 days old and under a 12watt 1100l 3500k warm white led buld, i uderstand that the light i am using will soon be inadequate for the vegetative stage and will most likely purchase a 55watt 3050l 6500k daylight white bulb, i dont know if that is viable? But i only intend on vegging for a short period as this is just a practice run, i place it on a window in the morning so it get some natural spectrum and back under the light when evening comes, any advise would be much appreciated. It has just started to produce five finger growth and another new growth forming, tho too early to tell if anymore fingers will be produced on the new growth

    Its in basic cutting/seeding compost and i have not yet purchaced a ph testing kit, i am using natural spring water from a forest nearby, i may have overwatered it at first! but i have corrected that and only water it lighly now, i have just read emilya's thread on watering potted plants properly so i will use that method from now on.

    As for nutes im not sure i will be using much! tho i will use blackstrap molasses but im open to suggestions? is it possible to do a short period grow using little or no nutes?

    Anyway i will keep posting my progress and any advise or comments would be appreciated.
     

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  2. 2014

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    Are you asking if you can use seedling soil for the entire span of your plants life? Think about it for a second if you are. Plants need a balance of nutrients and molasses only has one if I remember correctly. If you don't pony up and get yourself some nutes this is going to be a quick learning experience.
     
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  3. R4gn2r0k

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    Oh sorry! what i meant was can it be done by using little or no fertilizers, sorry my mistake!! like if i use nutrient rich soil which i will be using once vegging starts will i be able to complete a quick grow without adding solutions to my water?
    And will i need to change soil if i get to flowering stage?
     
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  4. R4gn2r0k

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    Im aware flowering requires different levels on npk just curious if i use the same soil for flowering will the higher level of nitrogen ruin my crop or will it still be viable? there is nowhere in my area that sells specialised soil for canabis so i dont know which garden center soil will be the next best thing or at what level of enrichment will suit a complete grow.
     
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  5. Anonymous138

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    You want about 150 watts of CFL lighting per plant producing at least 3,500 lumens per square foot of your grow space, I would get 3 of those 55 W bulbs you were talking about, this is considered the minimum. If you use a GOOD organic potting soil you can get away without adding a nutrient solution but again, this is considered the bare minimum. It is also standard procedure when using CFL to switch from mostly 5500k-6500k to mostly 2100k-2700k lighting during the flowering phase. Your plant looks fine now but its needs are going to evolve over time. When buying supplies, I would highly recommend the selection available on Amazon or the online grow store of your choice, but when limited to local selections, ask for products designed for tomatoes as their needs are very similar to that of Marijuana plants.
     
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  6. R4gn2r0k

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    Cool thanks for the info anon, got a lot to learn
     
  7. 2014

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    If you use a big enough pot you might be able to get away with just using soil with a long enough advertised feeding life but they don't always live up to what they say either. I did it two or three years ago but I kept up-potting throughout the entire grow until she was in one of those big plastic kitty litter containers and still lost a lot of leaves but that might have had something to with how hot it was in the really narrow space I used. I also used cfls on that one too and only 100 watts, and also switched from daylight to warm like one of the posters above was saying. You might be able to get away with using 50 but your yield is going to be really disappointing and I'd imagine it would take longer too if it does work. I did have a lot of leaf loss like I said which is going to hurt your yield but I only pulled 15 grams I think it was at the end with 100. Also if money is a factor you could just buy half of your overall wattage in warm bulbs for flowering and reuse the daylight bulbs you used in veg and it probably wont make much of a difference, mixing spectrums might even be beneficial.

    I think the NPK requirements are a little different in flowering but the plant will be able to take what it needs from most nutes marketed for vegging and the same goes for the premixed nutes in soil. When you do eventually go down that road I wouldn’t advise wasting your money on any bloom nutes unless you plan on substituting the nitrogen your plants won’t be getting with something else.
     
  8. R4gn2r0k

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    Hmm i see, i would be happy if i got 15g from this as its just a practice run. Im more interested in the overall experience and finding out what im doin right and where im going wrong. Im pretty sure its just regular seed so it could end up being a male, my problem with lighting is i dont have any credit or debit cards, purchasing things online is a no go so the only option i have is buying from local stores like maplin, they have suitable cfl,s which i can order instore from their catelogue and such but i do not have the correct fittings to place them, i can use bc or es but the only bulbs avasilable are soft white, the 55w 3050l 6500k is a circular led but is a 4pin so i may have to learn how to make my own, if i could make one i would try using just one 55w, i agree with anon138 about the bare minimum of lighing needed
     
  9. 2014

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    Do you have any hardware stores close by? I guess B&Q is an example of a place on your side of the earth that would probably have those CFL adapters. Is this the type of light you're talking about for the 55 watter?

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  10. R4gn2r0k

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    Good thinkin batman! yea thats the same, im using round plastic buckets for reflection, im thinking that type of light will fit nicely into these and just keep upsizing
     

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  11. R4gn2r0k

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    First mistake was made at day1 lol one of the first round leaves was thinner and longer than the other and was pointing straigh up so i used part of a match stick to hold it back, it soon withered, second mistake was thinking i could stress the plant a little at first so i might do better later on, i placed some bendy wire coated in clear plastic over the first two serated leaves to hold them back so i could get the light closer but during the night they worked their way out and vertical, by morning both leaves had their tips touching the bulb and they where yellowing luckily there is very little heat from the bulb itself, after a few days the tips where brown and crispy so i used a set of nail clippers for their rounded shape and trimmed the tips slighly but not into the healthier green part and i avoided damaging most of the main veins, the remainder of the leaves did not worsen and are still mostly green with a little brown at the edges, i suspect that growth has stopped on those, lesson one learned.
     

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  12. R4gn2r0k

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    It gets about 4-5 hours of morning sun as ive heard plants enjoy morning sun over mid day sun?? i rotate a few times so all of the plant gets some but mostly im doin it for those little growths forming close to the stem and to add natural spectrum! as for stretching and distance between nodes im not sure if this is good or bad?
     

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  13. raymont

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    Remember, you need to keep you light on 18hrs a day to start. 12 for flowering. Morning afternoon evening sun,,,,its all good.
     
  14. R4gn2r0k

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    From about 8-9am till 12-1pm it gets natural sun after that the sun goes behind another house which blocks the sun, its under the light from then till morning again, just purchased some baby bio npk (10.6) (4.4) (1.7) from the limited solutions available to me i think this is my best option, i was looking for something much lower in all levels.
    Again im not sure when vegging starts, is it when the plant starts to produce maximum fingers on newest main stem growths? or when branches start to produce aditional growths with maximum fingers im thinkin its the second one so ill not use it yet!

    It says 5 drops to half a litre so im guessing i should use possibly 2 drops then extract 5ml from the half litre/baby bio mix and mix it with 10ml of my spring water and 10m rain water
     
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  15. emilya

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    Nice short little plants, you are doing a good job! I am very impressed with your short internodal spaces. Vegging has started by the way, I consider the first week to be seedlings (a little extra care needed) and then after that is veg. As long as the lights are at 18/6 or longer with a non-auto, you are going to remain in veg. Again, in a non auto, you control when veg ends and flowering begins, simply by changing the light schedule to 12/12.

    Good luck on the grow, So far you are doing very well, and I see no signs of a failure in what you have presented so far.
     
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  16. R4gn2r0k

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    thankyou emilya, i just re-potted using potting compost and added vermiculite and perlite, the root system was very nice it had roots comin out uniform the whole way around it, ive gave it its first taste of molasses but im gonna hold up for a few days before i give it the baby bio, i also purhased some verve solution with seaweed extract, npk(4)(4)(4) which i will use for flowering, i was goin to try toppin or fimming and tie the branches down, but it may or may not be an auto so im not taking the chance! also cause its my first grow i dont wanna jump straight in to the deep-end. :)
     

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  17. R4gn2r0k

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    As for the molasses! Billingtons was the only one available, it is very sticky and dark mostly very dark brown to black, ive heard the darker the better? i will try holland and barrett next time in town for the blackstrap variety.
     
  18. raymont

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    question.
    1 why 4 4 4 npk for flower? That's 4 nitrogen 4 phosphorus and 4 potassium. Nitrogen is used early in veg. The phosphorus and potassium are used in greater amounts during flowering.
    2 Why are you unaware if its auto or not. You would need to purchase specific auto seeds to be an auto.
    (chances are if its a random seed from a friend it is not auto.)
    3 Why the excitement over molasses? It is an additive not a base nute. Base nutes are more important with additives to help the resin production coming later in the grow.
    I would just say, find a decent small fluorescent light with the right Kelvin frequency (6500 veg 2700 flower). Get a single veg nute and a single flower nute. You want something out of this. otherwise why do it as a test. Keep transplanting up till your in a 3.5 gallon pot and plant is about 18 inches tall and put it under a 2700k light on a 12 on 12 off light schedule. Add your molasses at this stage and you should get a few decent G's to smoke.
    Not be cocky, trying to help.
    P.S. From the looks of that seedling you have a good start.
     
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  19. R4gn2r0k

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    Ok maybe that wasnt a great choice but it was got in the tomatoe section and i was just goin by the description, i will have another look for something else.
    oh thanks for the info i was kinda hoping it wasnt an auto cause i wanna train it a little and ive heard using even lst on autos will have negative effects in end crop cause it has to take time from its already short life to recover?
    As for molasses i know its used during the flower, and also after initial flush it can improve the taste, i just gave it some now to add the micro-organisms that are present in molasses from what ive heard it can help a plant at any stage of its life?
    yea light is an issue i didnt think it would be so hard to get those fittings! there are lots of 6500k and 2700k but i dont have the correct connections for them and its probably due to the economy proble we have here at the min, nowhere is doin great so why stock more products.
    Sayin i cant find them in the hardware store ive been looking at a different approach, maplin stocks a selection of music related lighting and one thing i have seen is an led strobe pod that contains 47 super bright leds:
    12x 5mm red
    12x 5mm blue
    12x 5mm orange
    12x 5mm green (useless i know)
    1x 8mm hyperbright red

    I know theese are not great and will offer very little but it would be better than nothing.
    I can also just get 2 more similar bulbs to the one im using only in 2700k
    Thankyou for youre post it all helps
     

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  20. R4gn2r0k

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    Should i fim, top, or leave alone? Over the last year ive done alot of reading on stress training im thinking if i top i'll able to train the 2 branches around the pot using the S-shape method to keep the plant low and make better use of my lighting problem, im assuming if i dont do it then it'll get much taller and the light wont be strong enough or close enough to penetrate lower levels?
     

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