Help with bubbleponics

Discussion in 'Growing Information' started by Bongtok4u, Jun 26, 2009.

  1. Bongtok4u

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    I just built a bubbleponics and has been running for 48hrs. This morning i woke up and it was filled with foam so bad that the pump was barley working. What would cause this? Also the bottom of my plants are yellow greenish now (is that from transplanting?). My temp is about 75 degrees with 65% hum. am using the same setup as stealth hydro sells but i made it myself. My lighting is 2 100 watt cfl and 2 leds. (2 leds are equal to one 400 hps so they claim). My plants were started in dirt pots outside and transplanted to hydroponic system 2 days ago. My water ph level is around 6.8-7.0. An i missing somthing or is my light bad or am i just doing it wrong. any help would be great. i have posted some pics of what i have going. thanks
     

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  2. headshake

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    how did you manage to get the soil away from the roots? did you do a lot of damage?

    what is your res temp?

    is water getting to your roots?

    your pH is high. with hydro you want 5.5 to about 6.3 ( i think, i'm still in dirt).

    fill out the troubleshooting form in my sig to get better help.


    -shake
     
  3. Bongtok4u

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    I took luke warm water a rinsed all the dirt off the best i could. I think it was a bad idea though. i did do some root damage but minimal i think. 3 plants were so twisted together that i had to plant them together. im just waiting to see which one of them is females.
    I dont know never took it. What is a good temp?
    Yes water is getting to the root system on all my plants
    See i think thats my problem i have been getting mix review on ph levels an done some research and have gotten different answers too. I went with 6.8 because that was the most common. This is my first time on this fourm and im hoping it will help me out. i dont understand your truobleshooting fourm?
     
  4. headshake

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    fill out the parts that are applicable to you on the form. that's what the little key with the C, E, H and stuff are at the top. the letters next to the questions correspond to the letters in the key. there is a new one in the works.

    oh, you did some damage. what color are your roots? you had 3 plants in the same container? them being fused is exactly why it's ONE PLANT PER POT! even if they are all females they will fight over nutes and light. one or two will prosper and the other(s) will suffer. what if the good one is a male? hopefully it's lesson learned if this is the case.

    i think 70F is the ideal(ish) temp for your res. like i said, i'm not a 'dro guy. i'm sure one of them will chime in.

    i'm pretty sure 6.8 is a bit high for your pH. the ideal pH for soil is 6.3 (granted pH is strain dependent) and hydro is lower than this. how are you testing your pH?


    -shake
     
  5. Bongtok4u

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    The root color is a creamy white, and i didnt intend for the 3 to grow together
    but i put three seeds to a contaner thinking only 1 would grow but all 3 took off in the one pot so i keep them. out of 12 starters i keep the 6 healthest ones and it happen to be those three. i dont know what one if any are females only time will tell. I checked water temp and its 75 degrees so im good with that i think. Im using stealth hydro nuts the fire grow bloom product. i am using strips to test right now. Tommorrow im going to start some more seedlings just incase i lose all of the ones i have now. Its just there already 1month old and i dont want to restart. i thank you for your input.
     
  6. headshake

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    you're welcome for the input.

    i'm pretty sure that 75F is too high and this will lead to some root rot. do what you do though.


    -shake
     
  7. Bongtok4u

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  8. headshake

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    what i was saying is that you are gonna do what you are gonna do regardless of what i say. that's all. i'm not knocking you or anything.

    like i said, i'm not a hydro guy. fill out the form and you will get better/more accurate answers.


    -shake
     
  9. Bongtok4u

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    sorry didnt mean anythign by it just trying to get some good info and seems noone wants to help me out. i do thank you though
     
  10. headshake

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    so fill out the form if you need help!

    the letters up top corrospond to a certain growing medium.

    letters preceed the questions below, if the letter that corrosponds to your growing medium preceeds the question you answer that question. as it states, the "E"s are for everyone to answer.


    -shake
     
  11. Weezard

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    I do some aeroponics here an' dere.

    Relax Brah. Your tank temp is OK.
    As long as the water is clean and the light is excluded you can run as high as 90 F. in the res.
    Maybe higher, ah dunno.
    But I've run near 90 for 3 weeks and did not change out the water at all during bloom.
    I use no preventative other than what's already in my tap water and have yet to see any problems, (3rd grow).
    Course, that could just be luck.


    H.S. is right about the PH.
    You'll want to keep hydro at 5.2 - 5.8.
    Don't have to be too ridgid about it, they benefit from a little PH "drift".

    I see you are using Hydrotron clay pellets.
    I'd advise you to start your res water at 5.2 because the H'tron will try to raise your PH constantly, even when properly conditioned.
    You can use that fact to schedule PH adjustments and sweep the range where plants use all the basics well.

    Shake is also right about your form filling.
    It's a pain, but it's why you have not been "being served":D

    Aloha,
    Weezard
     
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  12. Weezard

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    New info. New thoughts.

    Aloha again.

    Did some searching.
    Found that you use well water.
    That's a likely pythium source.

    Not sure what to do about it but I'd guess that a water disinfectant and preventative in the original fill would help.


    Tupenny Weeze
     
  13. Bongtok4u

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    Thanks wizard, i have seen some of you post and you sound like you know what you talking about. What would cause a build up of foam in the res?
    I just checked my ph and its down to 6.1 and still going down. i clean my system from all the foam and tonight its building up again and giving a stinky smell. do you know what that could be? also if i went and bought distilled water would that help? thanks
     
  14. Weezard

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    Brown foam phone home.


    It is not supposed to smell bad kine stinky.:D

    Brown foam sounds like mold/fungus.
    Just scooping it out will not help.

    You can try adding H2O2 ,(Hydrogen Peroxide), but mo' betta start with a new squeeky clean tub.
    1/2 teaspoon of bleach per gallon of water will prevent bacteria and slime molds from getting a toe-hold.
    Might even be able to use the well water, if you disinfect it first.

    Sure, you can use distilled water.
    Just gotta add some CalMag to it, (about 200ppm), then nutes, then check the PH.

    Better luck,
    Weezard
     
  15. Horsemanrocks

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    Aloha honabl Weeze

    I see you are using Hydrotron clay pellets.
    I'd advise you to start your res water at 5.2 because the H'tron will try to raise your PH constantly, even when properly conditioned.


    I’m so sure that Bongtok wanted to know more about conditioning Hydroton…..that I (the good fellow that I am) asked it for him.
    Bongtok……no need to thank me…..I’m a giver.

    Horsemanrocks.
     
  16. Horsemanrocks

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    Conditioning Hydroton

    I did a lot of reading, and the consensus was that Hydroton is inert and had no effect on Ph (other than Weeze, there was only one dissenter).

    I ran a test w/ new hydroton (well rinsed) with tap water ph 7.12. I soaked the Hydroton for 36 hours. The water then ph’ed at 8.62. I poured out the 8.62 (rinsed well) and replaced it again w/ 7.12. I’ll try to remember to report again after a second soaking. I realize that in a situation where the solution has a much lesser contact with the Hydroton the ph raising aspect will be lessened. But something to be considered as “part of the whole”.

    I'd advise you to start your res water at 5.2 because the H'tron will try to raise your PH constantly, even when properly conditioned.

    It seems that the WeeZard knew his stuff again…..gotta’ pay attention to experience!

    As instructed,
    Horsemanrocks.
     
  17. Weezard

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    Caveats and kudos

    "It seems that the WeeZard knew his stuff again…..gotta’ pay attention to experience!"

    So?
    What?
    You thought I was just another "pretty typeface?:D
    Some sweet, young, Font to be trifled with?:(
    Humph, I say!

    No worry brah.:)
    Hermie did da same t'ing wit' coco vs' doit.:thumbsup:
    Made me proud.

    Nevah, evah, accept all of some kahunas pontifications as proven fact. - Weezard

    "What's da matter kid, din't ya know that gurus are full of shit sometimes too?" - da levy

    My best advice?

    "Try sumpin yerself, an' see what happens." -To paraphrase Old Mac.

    Aloha,
    Instant Ralston

     
  18. Horsemanrocks

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    Da fish….I want da fish…..Gimme’ da flippin’ fish!

    Weeze…I figured that you were out there lurking….you fit the profile….definitely a lurker.
    It appears that you subscribe to the “if you give a man a fish….you only feed him for a day” school. (how annoying is that!)
    Another 26 hours in fresh 7.1 ph water and the Hydroton runoff ph’ed even higher at 8.73 (I imagined that if would be somewhat lower….not higher). And after 48 hours still at 8.73

    fishes.jpg

    The rock and pool, is nice and cool, so juicy sweet.
    Our only wish……. to catch a fish……so juicy sweet.


    The thing that I haven’t learned is how to “condition hydroton” (and from all appearances…..you’re not gonna’ tell me)…..let’s try this:
    1: Dose with Acid solution until the ph neutralizes
    2: Switch to lava rock before I even get started
    3: Suggestions?
    It seems a little foolish to needlessly chase ph.

    Fish for the poor?
    Horsemanrocks.
     
  19. Weezard

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    RTFB brah.

    Aloha, syncopated quadraped.

    So, ya wants fish, does ya?

    Want me to catch some fish for you?
    A beeg Halibut, or maybe two
    Go sit in da hot sun all day.
    Den bringum home wit' out delay

    Shall I scale, gut, and fry it as well?
    Shall I dry it inna sun 'til dere's hardly any smell.
    If I does all dat, your tail gonna wag?
    Maybe mo' etta, you jus' read da bag.:D


    Directions are usually written on da bag ya know.

    Yeah, I unnerstan'
    When dey ask me; "did you read da manual?"
    My usual reply is; "Do I look like a sissy?"

    So, jus' dis one time.
    Here's da dish finner ya ordered;
    Bon appetite!

    "The thing that I haven’t learned is how to “condition hydroton” (and from all appearances…..you’re not gonna’ tell me)…..let’s try this:
    1: Dose with Acid solution until the ph neutralizes

    That's what they recommend.
    Soak in PH 4.5 or so for 8 hours.
    I did that for 8 hour.
    Then 24 hours.
    Then 3 days.
    And no matter how much you rinse it, that superfine red powder is ubiquitous and never quite rinses clean.

    2: Switch to lava rock before I even get started
    .
    Not a bad idea. Same thing I did.
    Longstoryshort, nothin's perfect.

    3: Suggestions?

    (Fasten da seatbelt brah.:stoned:)

    Then I stumbled upon coco.
    Coco is very near perfect for my needs.
    You can store it easily, it's sold in highly compressed "bricks".
    Lightweight, PH neutral, excellent nute delivery system.
    Looks like soil, smells like cocoa, works like hydro.

    I grew peppers and tomatos in coco, foxfarm ocean forest, and DWC , as a test.
    And was taken aback by their size and health vs the foxfarm.
    The DWC was the clear winner, but coco was a close second.
    The FF? Feh! I'll never use it again.
    Still have the pictures if ya wanna see 'em.

    It seems a little foolish to needlessly chase ph.

    Agreed!
    But, since he was already committed to 'tron I was just saying he should "make lemonade", yah?

    You've seen my square peg DWCoco, rig.
    (Mahalo fo' da busy mind comment.):)

    Finessed it a bit.
    Did not need that big a coco backup, so I dialed it down to a 4" pot with a few extra holes drilled in it.:cool:
    The idea here is; if/when I forget to check the DWC water levels,
    all is not lost, the coco will then be life support.
    'tron is worthless as life support, so is lavarock.

    Well, you asked.

    Weeze
     
  20. Horsemanrocks

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    I’m so confused

    Directions are usually written on da bag ya know.

    Yeah, I unnerstan'
    When dey ask me; "did you read da manual?"
    My usual reply is; "Do I look like a sissy?"


    Ok….I get it….Read!

    Profit oriented folks that sell RO filters, say crap like that all the time.
    That does not make it fact.


    Ok….I get it…..Don’t believe what you read!

    Nevah, evah, accept all of some kahunas pontifications as proven fact. – Weezard

    Ok….I get it…..Don’t believe you!

    Thanks soo much….that pretty much clears things up for me. No chance of goin’ wrong now.

    Directions are usually written on da bag ya know.

    Usually being the operative.
    I won’t be buying from that dollar store again!

    Want me to catch some fish for you?
    A beeg Halibut, or maybe two
    Go sit in da hot sun all day.
    Den bringum home wit' out delay

    Shall I scale, gut, and fry it as well?
    Shall I dry it inna sun 'til dere's hardly any smell.
    If I does all dat, your tail gonna wag?
    Maybe mo' etta, you jus' read da bag.


    And if it had been on the bag…..My entire life would have been meaningless without this alluring verse. Forget da’ bag. Viva la poet!

    2: Switch to lava rock before I even get started
    .
    Not a bad idea. Same thing I did.
    Longstoryshort, nothin's perfect.


    And you thought school was out…..Hahahaha.
    And the shortcomings of lava rock are…….

    Then I stumbled upon coco.
    Coco is very near perfect for my needs.


    I won’t even ask until I read, read, and read some more. But when I do find it….trust me…I won’t believe it!


    Rocks….out!
     
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