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New Induction Grow light

Discussion in 'Indoor Lighting' started by RackitMan, Jul 20, 2009.

  1. RackitMan

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    Note to moderator: If this is considered spam and against the rules, then I apologise, but I thought this may be of major interest to all growers.

    I am in contact with the manufacturer of the only induction light specifically designed for plant growth and am trying to get this product off the ground and see if it meets the needs of the cannabis community. If there is interest I would be looking for both testers and investors for the USA.

    Here are the pros of this new light:

    1. Low heat. No venting required. Will not burn plants.

    2. No fans built-in or required.

    3. Light spectrum designed specifically for plant growth.

    4. Extremely long life. Only 35% lumen loss after 100,000 hours. Twice that of LEDs.

    5. Five year guarantee. Repairs after that time are not to exceed 50% of the price paid.

    6. No supplemental light required. Designed for both vegetative and flowering dues to strong output at blue and red; yet all of the lesser frequencies are covered.

    Induction lighting actually goes back 100 years to the time of Tesla and has been used for high output commercial lighting for decades. It is somewhat similar to fluorescent in that the bulb contains a sealed tube with rare gases and specifically chosen phosphor coatings.

    As there are no electrodes to heat up and cool off like a standard fluorescent, there is very little material decay. The gasses are stimulated by a strong magnetic induction field; thus no wires or contacts to the bulb itself.

    Initial testing indicates that a 200 watt induction light will meet or exceed the growth shown by a 300 watt triband LED grow light.

    The costs are lower than that of comparable high-power LEDs, but more than HID.

    These units are solidly designed with no flimsy or short-cut components.

    There are 200, 300 and 400 watt models coming, with only the 200 and 300 watt models currently available.

    Pictures and spectral graph coming in the next post.

    FYI, I am not a salesman, but a grower like yourselves. I cannot yet vouch for this product until I and more experienced growers get a few harvests under their belts, but it could be a very exciting business and horitcultural adventure.

    Manufacturer will offer a significant buy-back to initial buyers that do not think the light is adequate for their needs. They are willing to lose money to gain the future market share.

    If enough people are interested, I may present a group buy proposal to my contact.
     
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  2. frostymcfailure

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    This is what truly sparked my interest. I've been doing research on this man since i was very young & would love to see how these turn out. I am willing to try one under a battery of extensive testing and let you know how it turns out. If i like the results i'd also be interested in investing & talking to some supply vendors i know to carry this product. Have any of these been through a run yet & if so what were the results. Also, what is the name of this type of lighting & what color does it appear to the naked eye.
     
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  3. RackitMan

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    The light ouput is about 85% usable by the plant as compared to about 15-20% (?) for HPS.

    Notice the full red spectrum from orange and on into far red with very little wastage in the yellow and green and a nice bump on the low frequencies which includes blue, royal blue and cyan. The light appears pink/lavender to human eyes.

    Unit size is roughly 8" deep * 24" * 15" and weighs 22-25 pounds.

    Initial studies in Chinese Universities look promising and I have requested the papers, but we all know that we need experienced growers stateside with well-documented grows on our favorite plant to do a real-world proof of concept.

    I like the fact that this is a new application, but a well-proven technology in commercial lighting. The phosphor coating specifically designed for plants is mainly what is proprietary.

    The rectangle with the U-Bend tube in the lower right attachment is what the output looks like.
     

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  4. Swansen

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    i found these not to long ago, and the fact that Nikola Tesla is behind the invention of the light speaks volumes.... you really have to wonder though, where have these lights disappeared to over the years?? Anyways, if i had a spare 3hundy laying around i would pick up one of those 200w units. Of which, they are VERY pricey, but i guess what do you do.

    bump for an amazing product
     
  5. Bubbleblower

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    Hey, I did the same thing you did :thumbsup: and ordered these lamps.

    Some companies have induction lights especially for flowering, that have for example been tested here (in Dutch, but the pictures are very clear).
    But any company can produce them if you order enough. They just play with phosphor-mixtures till they find the right one.

    You should be able to get 300 watt complete for less than $ 150,= FOB Shanghai.
     
  6. RackitMan

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    Do you have a source for such a low price? I would be most interested.

    An industrial induction light has the wrong spectrums and while it would still grow plants, would not be very efficient.
     
  7. bigdutchman

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    I have been reading a bit about the induction lighting. I would be interested in hearing pricing, wattage, form factor, etc. LED lights seem to suffer from a lack of full spectrum, where the induction lights do not.

    bigdutchman
     
  8. knna

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    Very interesting, RackitMan. Thanks too Bubbleblower for the aditional info.

    At what lamp power correspond the spectral distribution graph posted? Any link to more complete technical info about the lamp?
     
  9. NeverEnough

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    150$ is cheap?

    You can buy 8 23 watt cfls for 15$ and that purduces 12800 lumens enough to properly light a 4 foot plant with good results.
     
  10. headshake

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    well let's see.....





    -shake
     
  11. romo76

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  12. MerryPrankstr

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    There are 7 of the lights on eBay right now.

    M.P.
     
  13. romo76

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    Seen them on ebay...thats why I started looking around for input. Price seems steep with no real results on-line to review. $450-$500 seems more reasonable for the 300w and have an independent tester to produce results with pix for the rest of the community. Willing to test it out though for the right price.

    Any other sellers for less $$$ or results posted you can point too?
     
  14. phoenix137

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    Are you referring to the Super Grow Light made by M-Land? I'm definately interested... could you contact me with details?
     
  15. bigdutchman

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    I've ordered the 300W light from M-Land. It should arrive in the next week or so. I plan to put it into operation as soon as possible, I'm not sure if I want to do a side-by-side comparison, but I should be able to tell on a more general nature how the light is doing.

    Based on what I have read, the 300W is equivalent to a 1000 -1200W LED, which is supposed to be equivalent to a MegaWatt HID :pimp:

    It has half the energy consumption of my 600W HPS but should have a much higher level of usable light for photosynthesis. Watt for watt, the inductance light looks very promising.

    I'll keep everyone updated,
    bigdutchman
     
  16. overdose42024

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    i just read that a 300w is actually like a 600w LED. how much did you pay?
     
  17. oldmac

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    Has anybody really looked at MLand's site? :wtf:

    The 300w "super grow light" specs are truly awefull. They claim that 96% of the light produced is useable by a plant...I guess PAR watts here would be 288w. But then it says it produces Red, Blue and GREEN! I don't know what the rest of you are growing but my plants don't need green, in fact they can't see it.
    Now I know when dealing with PAR that lumens are a poor choice for measurement, but they list lumen output at 30Lm/watt. That means total output for a 300w light is just 9,000 lumens.:(
    Note also they are the mfg behind a bunch of crap LED lights that are way over hyped...do yoou think they might be over hyping this light toooo?

    As my dad always said, "If something is too good to be true, it probably is"
    :D
     
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  18. bigdutchman

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    I looked at the spectrum the light puts out, and it has a small spur in the green area, but it is almost insignificant. I'm not sure what the 30lm/W is because others list inductance at a much higher level.

    Agree, if it's too good to be true... but I decided to take the plunge. I paid $525 for the 300W light FOB my doorstep. The killer here is the shipping, they are charging $105, which is crazy. I couldn't talk him down. I'm going to do a grow test, and if it works, then I will work a deal with him to cut shipping. He wants the money up front which means I would have to order about $25,000 in lights to get a discount and will probably have to deal with the shipping and duty fees myself. Hmmmm... :stoned:

    The light arrives this Friday, so stay tuned...
    bigdutchman
     
  19. knna

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    Yeah, oldemac, I had the same question, thus I asked RackitMan to what lamp power correspond the SPD graph posted, which has scale so it can be calculated.

    When they say 96 or 85% of the light may be used by the plant it means its into the PAR range. It not mean the 96% of the watts consumed are delivered as light. Probably, the efficiency of the lamps is about 25%. If its 30%, it would be excelent.

    Id wait to some more detailed specs. Can you link the manufacturer page, so I can read whatever technical info they have avalaible?
     
  20. oldmac

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    Hey knna,
    Here's the link to them: Shanghai M_land Industrial Corp.,Ltd Take notice of the LEDs, much of what you see on e-bay and from bs marketers of crap LEDs originate here.

    Hello bigdutchmen,
    I hope I'm wrong about those lights for your sake, so I look forward to your getting them, trying them and then reporting back to us. I looked at induction lights abt 15 years ago and to me there were just fancy fluorecents that had large (at that time) ballasts that could not be remotely mounted, I passed on them then.

    As to spectrums provided by chinese companies, I need to pass this on to everybody. When I was building my first hi-powered LED light I had purchased 250 Red 2w Cree's 635nm since I knew them to work well (660nm red was not available) and to combine them with white LEDs. I had done alot of research on LEDs at the time and noticed most whites were driven by a blue die that excited the phosphor. The spectrum output was a blue spike at about 460nm and then a larger sweep covering the spectrums up to reds. I decided to cheapen up the design by using white diodes fron China. I had contacted a couple of mfgs with what I was looking for and one company, from Shanghai, sent me back a quote and included a spectrum analysis of the LEDs and it was exactly what I was looking for. I purchased 100 1w diodes and built my light. First run trying the light was a complete f-up, plants stretched so much they hit the glass enclosure (only have 24" clearence) of the light. I immediately realized I was lacking blue big time. I wound up sending a couple of the white diodes to someone for spectrum analysis and the resulting graph was no where near what was originally sent to me. They completely lacked any usable blue. I wound up rebuilding the light but used T5s full spectrum fluros instead of the LEDs. A couple of weeks later while going thru LED specs again I came across the EXACT spectrum I had been sent, it was on the Luxeum site. The bastards had copied it, put thier name and chinese characters on it and called it thiers. I've had a grudge against chinese crap since then.
     
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