Question about preemployment

Discussion in 'Drug Testing' started by rsad, Mar 17, 2013.

  1. rsad

    rsad Registered+

    Hello
    I have to take a preemployment test at Quest labs within a few weeks (as soon as tomorrow) and I definitely would not pass (smoked yesterday, wasn't really sure when i'd be called in). Its for a summer job I've been at for a few years now but now I'm going back earlier. Usually I would just stop for 3 weeks and I'd be clean. Now I either want to dilute or substitute. It's a mandated drug test through the coast guard, which is what makes me question using substitution. It's a split sample because every time I've done it they split it into two vials and send it somewhere. Once I was called in for a dilution when I was completely clean, so it makes me nervous about getting called in for dilution again. So if it's a split specimen, is the substitute (Quickfix batch 4-7-1 p1nnn-13) going to be tested elsewhere that might lead to it getting discovered

    I have an incredibly fast metabolism and I'm pretty skinny (160 5'11) so I plan on using a GNC herbal detox kit this week but it just seems like substitution might be the best way to go right now, is there anyone who knows if the substitute will work? I'm not worried about getting it in there, no one ever watches me and the temperature thing doesn't seem like rocket science, just would like any reassurance

    Thanks!
     
  2. Burnt Toast

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    In split-sample situations, bottle B gets tested only if bottle A is confirmed positive for a particular drug(s), and that the donor had decided to mount a challenge to the results of bottle A.

    But since synthetic subs contain no drug metabolites to test positive for, you have nothing to worry about.

    Forget the herbal 'detox' potions. By doing a Forum Search with the terms "detox products scam dilution", you'll discover that all "detox" products are a scam to prey upon the uninformed and credulous and taking their hard-earned cash.
     
  3. rsad

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    Any idea if the coast guard requires anything different? It's not directly through the coast guard like i said (quest labs does preemployment then their employees come down for randoms) but i wasn't sure if it would go through extra testing for synthetics due to that (the coast guard only requires a 5 panel DOT test)

    thanks for the response!
     
  4. IgotQuestions

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    No. DOT is easy to pass if you are doing synthetic. DOT for one regulated industry is no different than another (FAA to USCG for example). Both use the split specimen and both are tested using the five panel screening. In addition to that, one (or more) validity test is performed (such as specific gravity or creatine). Sub products, such as Quick Fix, account for all those tests and make sure they are not distinguishable than actual urine.

    Only if you failed the screening, which you won't since sub products contain NO drug metabolites to begin with, would it go under the more sensitive GC/MS test to get exact amounts of the single metabolite it tests for. TCH-COOH.

    My point is, DOT is easy to pass if you are doing it with the sub route. Just make sure you practice the temp being 90-100 degrees. I'd also recommend the larger product, because since it is a split sample, 2 oz might not be enough.
     
  5. MissSmokinHot

    MissSmokinHot Banned

    i am in same situtaton. Weds the 13th of march i took a non dot 5 panel split urine. I used ultra klean ultra pure. I havent heard anything yet..i mean its only been 2 business days....nothing i can do but wait...but im a mess.
     
  6. MissSmokinHot

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    i mean what exactly are they testing for with the urine? they test for the 5 panel of drugs obvi but are they doing additional testing, like for creatine or whatever else?
     
  7. MissSmokinHot

    MissSmokinHot Banned

    if i end up getting this job of my dreams, i will be the biggest advocate for synthetics...trust me i wish i could come back and say I GOT IT!! I already got my start date before i took the test so theres no reason for me to call my emplyer and inquire about...so if i dont hear anything its good probably? Im sure they would call me to say um no dont come into work.
     
  8. Burnt Toast

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    DOT requires only 45 ml of sample. The sample is then split 30/15. With that being pointed out, 2 oz (60 ml) is enough for the U/A.

    Yep, creatinine, pH, specific gravity, excessive nitrites, high chromates, and the presence of pyridine and glutaraldehyde. As long as the synthetic is of a reputable brand, unexpired, and had been kept away from direct sunlight, you have nothing to worry about.
     
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2013
  9. IgotQuestions

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    My bad, it always seems like they write the line higher when I've taken DOT tests as opposed to non split tests.
     
  10. Burnt Toast

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    They are not allowed to draw a random line on the collection cup either. That would be in violation of Appendix A to Part 40 of the DOT regs. Under Appendix A, the collection cup must have graduated markings already on the cup clearly noting 45 ml and above.

    ..And for the "split" bottles...

    The actual regulation covering the required volume of sample:

     
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2013
  11. IgotQuestions

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    I've never looked at the bottle inventively, just said by observation that it seems different. I still recommend the larger QF bottle though. You don't HAVE to get it... but it's nice having it.
     
  12. rsad

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    Followed N2's dilution to the tee to self test myself before the actual test... didn't even get a blurry line, fuck. Now I'm definitely stuck using subs.. and if this doesn't work, I have no job for the summer...

    Will keep posted
     
  13. IgotQuestions

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    Just practice getting the temp right. If you can do that, you will be goooooolden!
     
  14. rsad

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    It's actually a very very very faint line, so it seems like i need to wait longer then 2 days if i want to dilute

    What happens if the lab catches a sub?
     
  15. IgotQuestions

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    A lab isn't going to catch a substitution. If it is unexpired and is kept out of direct sunlight, there is no way for them to tell the difference. It will be drug free and contain the properties of actual urine - creatine, specific gravity, ph, etcetc.
     
  16. rsad

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    I guess there is only one way for me to find out lol.
     
  17. Burnt Toast

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    If you are at the collection site, and the collector catches you with any "cheating contraband", then you will be submitting a urine sample under direct observation. If you refuse to submit under direct observation, it will be declared as a "refusal to test".

    But as long as you play your cards right and not do something ludicrous like keeping your sub container in your shirt pocket, etc; then you have nothing to worry about.
     
  18. rsad

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    thanks, your posts have been very reassuring

    will keep updated
     
  19. rsad

    rsad Registered+

    the test is 45304N DOT Drug panel w/ TS will synthetic work
     
  20. Burnt Toast

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    An unexpired synthetic batch that had been stored properly (kept away from direct sunlight) will work on all DOT regulated tests.
     

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