Simple nOOb instructions for growin' da dankness

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    There are a baffling array of soil choices, and some are more appropriate than others. A true soil has a range of ingredients that may include compost, lightener, peat, lime, and even living organisms such as mycorrhizal fungi, among others. Soilless mixes are much simpler in composition and work very well with the chemical fertilizer regimen that many new growers will begin with.

    For simplicity, you can use ProMix, Sunshine Mix, John McInnis', or any equivalent soilless mix which contains nothing but PEAT, LIME, and PERLITE. Any time you use a peat-based soil, start in small cups and re-pot frequently, letting no plant sit in the same pot more than 6 weeks. This soil is also fine for seedlings. The commercial seedling mix I like, Faffards Seedling Starter, is almost identical to ProMix but has a finer texture and a bit of vermiculite added to it as well.

    Read the links below for more info, ESPECIALLY if you plan a soilless grow.

    If you want a true soil, you have the option of assembling one yourself. For general use on plants from about week 3 to harvest, the soil that I think is the simplest to make is based upon the Agway 'manure and humus' product. The composted humus is the #1 most important ingredient in this mix, and will buffer your soil pH, while providing nutrition for your plants. It's $2.50 for a 40 lb bag. One of these bags, mixed to a total ratio of 2:1 soil : perlite (approximately a regular-sized bag of perlite also from Agway), will give you plenty of light, rich medium that will not interfere with your fertilizer regime the way a pre-fertilized soil such as Miracle Gro will. This compost mix is also already pH balanced for cannabis, and buffered around 6.8, ideal for your vegging and flowering plants. You can substitute other bagged compost, such as seaweed compost, if the pH is correct (it should come in at 6.9 or so) but don't use straight composted manure. It has too high a level of nutrients in it.

    Also avoid starting seedlings in pre-fertilized bagged grow media such as Fox Farms Ocean Forest. It has a lot of fertilizer in it and is better for later, when the plants are big and strong.

    Re-using soil is not recommended since pests and eggs and salts from your previous grow can harm future plants. Your garden plants will LOVE it though!

    For fertilizer, you have a lot of choices, but the ones I have really been impressed by are the Botanicare PureBlend Pro line and the Canna line. PureBlend is not OMRI listed organic, but is so heavily organic that you really can consider it the same deal. The 'Grow' formula is fantastic, and you will find it tough to make mistakes. Canna is also not OMRI certified but carries the European organic certification and is an amazing product. They even make a living soil that smells like rich warm earth and grows spectacularly happy plants.

    There are scores of supplements on the market, and these should be used with caution. The safest are carb boosters such as Sweet, and unsulfured molasses. The most dangerous are the super bloom high Phosphorous products, and hormone products, which, while they can improve yield with proper use, can also burn your plants if overapplied, or used when there is already excessive fertilizer in the soil. I generally think people should avoid these until they have made it through a couple good harvests, as you will have more than enough yield already for personal use. The combination of a low dose of molasses plus Sweet or TopMax (an OMRI listed carb synthesizer), though, is a real winner. Increased available carbon to the plant stimulates the production of resins and terpenes, allowing the plant to produce both medicinal and aromatic compounds to its genetic potential.

    Check your tap water to see if it is suitable for use. Soil growers will rarely have tap water problems, and the high humus content of a compost based soil further negates any pH imbalances, but it is a good thing to be aware of. Water between 6.5 and 7 is generally acceptable for soil use as long as hardness is not excessive.

    Planning your pot size:
    Read these two threads to plan your re-potting schedule, which can be mystifying for a new gardener.

    All right so I did a little search and discovered that finding that Agway compost west of the Mississippi is impossible. BUMMER!
    I'll give you the specs on it so you can check your local farmer supply for a substitute:

    -It's made of composted humus and composted manure.
    -The fert numbers are 0.5-0.5-0.5.
    -It is treated for pests and weed seeds, packaged, and bagged. I don't consider 'bulk' compost from outdoor bins a substitute!!! Get one that is GUARANTEED free of pests!
    -It's pretty darn chunky and lumpy. This is a good thing.
    -The pH comes in right around 6.8-6.9.
    Composts under about $5/40# are preferable. Those seaweed ones are lovely and all but can be quite expensive.

    I saw in another thread there was a suggestion to add a note about soilless mixes, specifically ProMix, to this thread... Here ya go, my girl Foxy layin' it out for ya:

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    Puttin on da buds

    Initiating the flower cycle:
    As you are most likely aware, cannabis is a photoperiod-sensitive plant which needs 12 hours of uninterrupted and complete darkness to bloom. You will need a space that has no light leaks, yet can still be ventilated, to flower properly. Anything from a converted armoire or closet, to one of the purpose-built grow tents on the market, can achieve this.
    When you have decided that your plants are ready to flower, basically, that they are about half the size at which you can finish them, stop feeding your Grow fertilizer. You need to reduce the amount of Nitrogen in each feeding by half or more. Put your lights on a timer set to 12 on, 12 off. For efficient use of electricity, most people run their lights at night to take advantage of the cool night air and reduced kwH rates from the utilities company. It is very important that the dark period not be interrupted during the flower cycle, as it can lead to reduced yield, revegetating, and the Dreaded Hermaphrodite. If you absolutely must check the plants at 'night', use a GREEN light, as it is far less usable to plants.
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    Stresses and problems:
    Things that can cause stress and eventual hermaphroditism among your plants, and the ways to prevent them, include the following:
    -Light leaks. Check during the dark period to be certain no light is coming through cracks or ductwork.
    -Heat stress. Keep temperatures below 85 F at all times. 75 or thereabouts is comfortable for your plants during their lights on cycle. Spikes up to 95 will not kill the plant, but are a source of stress. Night temperatures should be only 10-15 degrees F less than day temps. Low temps are also dangerous, and if you grow in a cellar, lift your plants up off the floor on shipping pallets or a table.
    -High humidity. Humidity more than about 50% runs the risk of mold in your buds. Again, cellars can be dangerous. An application of Kilz oil-based primer on exposed moist concrete is a way to help kill and prevent mold that is already present. Old carpeting can also harbor mold spores. Moldy buds are dangerous, can cause respiratory ailments, and should NEVER be smoked under any circumstances.
    A rootbound condition. Allow about a gallon of soil per foot of main stem that your plant will finish at. A plant flowered at 1 foot will be very happy in a 3 gallon pail with PLENTY of drainage. Holes drilled up the sides of the pot are wonderful to help aerate the roots, prevent root rot, and aid in uptake of nutrients. A plant that has been aggressively trained and pruned will naturally need a larger pot- just use your instinct when choosing pot sizes. Free pots can be found out back of the Hadley Garden Center on Rt9 in Hadley MA in a large wooden crate. They should be thoroughly bleached before use. The square white pots sold by Liquid Sun in Putney VT are IDEAL for flowering indoor soil-grown plants, and I typically finish a trained plant at 24” in a pot like that.
    Fertilizer problems. Overuse of supplements can stress your plants to the point of herming. When you try out a new one, apply at a dilute rate to see how your plants react to it. High temperatures will make any undesired effects much more severe.
    Identifying and dealing with herms:
    Hermaphrodite flowers will show a tiny, ~3mm long, creamy-yellow growth that looks like a banana set in amongst the calyxes. This is a male flower, called a 'herm' or 'nanner' by growers. It contains pollen with no Y chromosome. The pollen is usually viable, and will lead to a seedy crop. The offspring will be virtually ALL female; however, this is STILL not a very desirable thing to have happen in your garden!!! You can easily pick the male flowers out with a pair of tweezers or your fingernails if they are long. Check regularly. In a smaller home grow, the option of throwing out the whole plant really isn't one you have to take. Go through weekly and comb the female buds for herms. If a plant shows any, remove them, and tag the plant so you know to check it more regularly. Fix any cultural problems you may be having. Overripe plants will also start throwing nanners on you, so be careful how long past the harvest date you go. A fine mist of clean water will render pollen non-viable, but avoid adding moisture to the buds and the air surrounding them, as mold may form.
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    Damn pests!

    Pest control:
    You may encounter pests in your grow at some point, thrips and two-spotted mites being the most destructive, but prevention is simple. The oil of the Indian neem tree, has, among others, the property of being EXTREMELY distasteful to common garden pests. A spray made of one teaspoon Neem concentrate (Green Light brand is OMRI listed for organic farming) per quart spray bottle, with lukewarm water and a drop or 2 of dish soap, makes an effective (but smelly!) preventative spray. Trust me, use the neem. You don't want mites. They are pure evil. Mist lightly once or twice a week, never to the point of runoff, as overapplication CAN suffocate the plants. You will see that the neem has adhered when after a few applications your plants take on a more healthy, glossy appearance. Never apply neem after the 3rd week of flower, as it can leave distasteful residues on your buds. If pests DO appear, there are several options at the grow shop. I prefer bug bombs, set off 4 days apart, to kill pests. Pyrethrin sprays are also wonderful and very safe to use. Again, allow plenty of time before harvest when you are using chemicals on your plants. If you have an insect problem, do NOT flower until you are confident that it is under control.
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    The part you were waiting for...

    A typical cannabis plant bred for indoor cultivation will average around 8 weeks from when you turn back the lights to harvest. Strains that run as fast as 6 weeks or as long as 12 are not uncommon, but the bulk lie in the 7-9 week range. A couple weeks before harvest time, you will notice that the creamy white pistils are starting to turn brown. Be careful not to confuse brown pistils from natural ripening to premature ripening due to heat stress. When most of the pistils are brown, and production of fresh white ones has slowed, start checking the trichomes, or 'crystals', with a 30x magnifier. They start off clear, and the plant will have a sparkly look in bright light. As it ripens, the trichs cloud, and the appearance of the buds becomes more frosty or hazy. When almost all of the trichs are cloudy, your harvest window has begun. Harvesting early will maximize the cerebral effects of the strain you are working with, while a later harvest, when the trichs are starting to turn amber and the THC is degrading, will give you a more body-oriented stone. This is nice for painkilling (muscle pain in particular), anti-anxiety, and anti-insomnia purposes.
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    That's it. Simpler than you thought. I'll add a seedling one when I feel like it :D
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    Another sticky for Stinky.......excuse me while I get a wet wipe.:D

    Have a good grow!:jointsmile:
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    I might as well do the seedling one here, too.

    Stinky's Seedling Survival Guide

    I know everyone is all big on the wet paper towel thing. I'm not.
    There are a couple legitimate reasons for this.
    First, to check them, you have to disturb them.
    Second, that tap root can SHOOT out. It has tiny hairs on it that can get stuck to the paper towel, and it's tough to plant the sprouted seed without damaging it in this case.

    I prefer to do it this way:
    Take a glass test tube of the sort that good cigars come in. Put the seeds in it. Add just enough water so that they barely float, but are not covered. Put the stopper back on and lay the tube sort of diagonally on its side in a dim and slightly warm place (a cardboard box on top of your fridge is just about perfect).
    The seeds should 'pop' in anywhere from 24 hours to a week, depending upon temps, seed age, and husk thickness.
    When you see the tip of the taproot sticking out about 1-2 mm, it's time to plant. The taproot is white, but may have a dark tip. This is normal.
    It's easy to get the seeds out of the tube; simply flood it with room-temperature water and pour them into a teacup.

    Plant your seeds in small containers to start. You will be transplanting them very soon. Bathroom-sized dixie cups with a bunch of holes in them are fine, as are the nursery 6-packs that fucking petunias come in. Fill right to the top with a seedling starting soil. It must be of very fine texture. Promix is fine; so is Farfard seedling mix, and Happy Frog soil is said to be excellent for seedlings too, but I haven't tried it yet. The point is to have a fine, light soil with no added fertilizer in it. If you go with a box store seedling mix, fill the pots and FLUSH them before use.
    Seeds should be planted no more than 1/3 of an inch deep. The taproot should face DOWN. You may put the pots under a propagation dome until the cotyledons emerge, but as soon as you see them, remove the dome- at this point they are vulnerable to damping-off, a fungal disease that is incurable and deadly.

    I prefer to put my young seedlings under a small T5 flourescent fixture, but in the past I have been perfectly happy with a T12 flourescent shop light fitted with cool white or daylight tubes. They should be no more than 2 inches from the tops of the plants. Give them 18/6 or 24/0 hours of light. I like 24/0, but it is up to you.
    At this point, it is very important not to let the soil dry out, but at the same time, to avoid drowning the little plants. The plant has a VERY limited root system! I like to water with one of those cheap plastic ketchup dispensers they have at diners. This allows me to control the water stream very well and not disturb the plants.


    Soon you will see a pair of longer, serrated leaves coming out. These are the first 'true leaves' and may be considered your second node. (Node= point on the plant where leaves or side shoots ortiginate)
    Now you just wait.

    When there are 5 sets of true leaves, you are ready to transplant and fertilize. The 5th set should have 5 or even 7 fingers on it. This plant is no longer a seedling, it is an immature plant in the vegetative stage.

    You will need a larger pot to continue growing your little plant, and better soil than those seedling starting mixes! The agway manure, humus, and perlite mix I mentioned above is perfect to use now. If you choose a soilless mix such as promix, you should read this thread:
    It will also help explain why you should re-pot frequently.
    For pots, one that is 4" in diameter, or about a quart, is the right size for this next growth stage, which will take you right up to the point of sexual maturity and eventual sexing.
    Let the soil dry out a little bit. Fill your pot a little more than half way with soil. Place the seedling IN ITS POT into its new home to check the levels- the soil surface will be not more than an inch below the rim of the new pot, and the plant should never be planted deeper than the node that the cotyledons appeared on.
    Once you are satisfied with the levels, turn over the seedling and support the stem and soil with your fingers. Tap it sharply and the whole root ball will slide right out into your hand. Place it in the new pot, fill around it with the fresh soil, and give it a light watering with a solution of 1/4 strength grow fertilizer with superthrive at only 1 drop per gallon. The superthrive is optional.

    This is now a happy little plant! You can put it back under the shop lights, or under a MH (don't burn it!!).

    If you want to pinch your plants, you may do it now. Just pinch off the very freshest bit of the new growth- the smallest set of leaves that are being produced. Side shoot development will now speed up.
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    Every grower will want to clone at some point. Either you have some crazy plant you want to keep forever, or you just want to cut some time off your grow cycle, this is how to do it without the expense (and frustration when it doesn't work) of a commercial cloning machine.

    One package of composted tree bark cloning plugs- I use 'Rapid Rooters'. They are very good and have fungicidal properties. You want that, trust me!
    One bottle of Dip-N-Grow concentrate- there are lots of cloning solutions, powders, and gels on the market. Don't waste your money, this one is by FAR the best, and it is cheap. Follow the mixing instructions for softwood cuttings. I think the ratio is 1:20.
    An exacto knife with a fresh blade
    A clean cutting surface- a pad of sticky-notes is GREAT, and I also like to use beer mats, you know, those little bar coasters?
    A small pair of sharp scissors
    A propagation tray and dome, either new, or if used, wash out and then sterilize with Scrubbing Bubbles foaming bathroom cleanser. Hit every surface. Allow to sit 15 minutes. Rinse it off. Trust me, that stuff was like MADE for growrooms.
    Some nursery 6-packs that can hold your rapidrooters upright. Run them through the dishwasher before use, or clean as for the tray and dome
    Lighting- I use a single CFL hung right over my dome. You can use your shop lights. Don't use a MH! It's too bright
    A spray bottle. The ones that hair polishing products come in, that give the FINEST mist, are ideal. Your girlfriend will be pissed if you dump out the contents though, so ask first.
    In the winter, if your house is wicked cold, you also need a seedling heat mat, but if you are above 68 degrees, you are fine- the light gives off a bit of heat too.

    Prep your mother. She wants no Nitrogen for the week before taking cuttings, so feed her with a bloom fert and superthrive. About a half hour before use, water her well with plain water.

    Pick a shoot that has a growing tip, preferably the most vigorous one on the plant, plus a couple small fans leaves right at the growing tip, and then further down the stem, another node whcih you will be stripping off in a moment.

    Make a clean cut with your scissors about an inch below the lower node. Now, working quickly, lay the cutting on your sticky note pad or whatever and cleanly slice off the lowest leaf flush with the stem. Just below that, make a cut at a 45 degree angle and IMMEDIATELY dunk it into the dip n grow. Leave it there for about 10 seconds.
    While the cutting is in the dip n grow, take your rapidrooter and slice another hole in the top. The one from the factory is too big for cannabis. You want no air around the cut stem, and good contact with the medium. Just plunge your exacto blade in there. Now gently push the base of the cutting in there. The stripped node must be below the plug surface.
    Take your scissors and cut all remaining leaves down to only 1 inch long. You may write the name of the plant right on a leaf with a black sharpie. I use a code 3 characters long to identify strain and plant ID.
    Put it in the 6 pack to stand upright, place under the dome, put the dome under the light, and make as many more as you want.
    Don't crowd your plants. Air flow now, like at all other life stages, is important.
    When you are finished making cuttings, fill your rinsed spray bottle with tap water and thoroughly spray the inside of the clear dome. I don't like to spray the cuttings directly, as water sitting on them can encourage rot.
    Keep an eye on them and if they do wilt, mist them.
    Also do not let the plugs dry out!!! They should not be sopping wet, but give them a few drops of water every so often.
    In about 2 weeks they will be showing upwards growth and be ready to transplant. Treat them as you would a seedling being transplanted for the first time, but a light mist with wilt-pruf or even neem oil helps prevent any shock from going into a drier environment.

    Yes, you can clone down indefinitely- the OG Kush lines' original germination date is over 20 years ago. Some subtle changes ( I guess what you are referring to as genetic filtering- actually a simple failure in RNA repair at the cut site) HAVE occurred over this time, but the plant is still potent and vigorous. Always take care not to stress your clones or mothers, and you will continue to see success for a long time to come.

    Care of new rooted clones:
    Once your cuttings have been rooted and vegging solidly for at least a week, take these steps to ensure that they are strong enough to survive outside the controlled environment in which you've been keeping them.

    Their basic needs are pretty simple. Start them on 1/4 strength grow nutes, given in the water or as a foliar feed. For lighting, they can go under a pair of 40w, 4-foot, T12 'cool white' flourescent shop lights, or any flourescent fixture that gives you enough light for the number of plants you have. You may continue vegging them under these lights until it is clear that they are well-established in their pots, and then put them under your HIDs, or outdoors. If they go outdoors, keep them out of direct sunlight for the first couple days, and protect them against rabbits with a chicken wire cage.
    They are also ready to be topped, trained, or flowered as a single-cola plant. If you pinch the tops, allow at least 2-3 weeks for recovery before initiating flower. Outdoors, avoid topping after the first week in July. Yield can suffer.
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    stinky im not new on here but im new to surfing on here.. im getting more respect for you by the hour..
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    Thank you, thank you.
    I'll be here all week with shows at 5:30 and 9:30.
    Don't forget to tip your bartender, and check out the buffet in the Tiki Room.
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    That's what friends are for. And your dealer, if he's an honest dude, is an EXCELLENT seed resource.
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    This is EXACTLY how to select bag seeds.
    IF you don't like the high, don't save the seeds.
    If you are indoors, remember to save the couchy indica type stuff separately from the zoomy sativa shit, which will be a pain to grow inside.
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    yea you was right this was very very helpfull!!!!!!!!!!
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    Hey Stinky, the information I've read from you probably is priceless and is put to much use. Thanks.
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    A little more detail on how I typically dry and cure my buds

    Dryin -n- curin?

    Well my take on the post-harvest steps is pretty no nonsense; cut at your preferred %cloudy/amber, do a basic trim immediately- chop the fans and any sugar leaves that are sticking out.
    Hang or stick in a vase in an area that is dimly lit, cool, and dry- I have been in the bad habit of using drying buds as a centerpiece in my dining room, which is conveniently air conditioned, dim, and dry. lol. And it makes a fantabulous conversation piece when my dinner guests have that flash of dawning realization that the 'bouquet' is a couple zips of drying bud.... :D
    When the thing is dry enough that the smallish branches are a little brittle and will crack properly when you bend them, snip the buds off and toss in a glass jar- again, keep it in a cool and dim area- the first couple days, open it long enough to drink your morning coffee, and again long enough in the evening to have your bedtime puff. If it's super humid out, you have to burp in a dehumidified room for it to have any effect. In a few days the moisture will even out throughout the bud.
    It's pretty intuitive- the actual timing depends upon your ambient conditions, especially humidity- but even for a first timer you will certainly be able to feel how a bud jarred up feeling dry in the morning will feel moist again by nightfall in a sealed jar, and you just keep repeating the 'burp' until the moisture content is consistent between openings... if that makes any sense?

    Oh durr, edit... at some point in here you can also do a more twitchy manicure. I do mine at the end of the burp period, when I have decided the moisture content is where it should be- I go through and snip off any leftover sugar leaves that are sticking out in an unattractive way, and scour for seeds ( I breed and occasionally I do get rogue seeds here and there). Those seeds go to one of my peeps who has been having some fun with them. Yay. And the sugar leaves go into the hash box.
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    Shopping list for a soil grower who is on a tight budget

    I thought I'd add a list of basic equipment and supplies to get going solidly and on a tight budget.

    2 Shop lights- 4- foot, T-12, 2-tube fixtures, Home DePot, $8 each, plus 4 Cool White or Kitchen and Bath tubes to put in them
    1 HPS 400, about $150 for an inexpensive one. If you go bigger, or have a small space, spend the extra ~50-100 bucks on a quality air-coolable reflector.
    1 4" duct booster fan, a power tool replacement cord, and a length of 4" flexible ducting- you will use this to cool your light. The fan needs the cord; black to black, white to white, green to ground, secure with wire nuts. Home DePot, $35 total.

    Air handling:
    1 24" metal high velocity fan, $25 at the dollar store or walmart, or a couple cheap oscillating fans.
    You can spend some more $$$ and buy a proper 6" exhaust designed for a grow if you like. With a small light, it isn't particularly important yet.
    Depending upon local weather etc, you may need an a/c unit, which you will also use as a dehumidifier, about $80 at home depot.

    Containers and media:
    1 seedling starting tray with inserts and dome, $9 for a proper one with a tall dome that you will later need for cloning.
    About 10-15 4" square deep quart nursery pots, I get mine free from a nursery dumpster or for 25 cents each if the dumpster is empty, lol.
    10 finishing pots, should be about 3 gallons for a light that size. Kitty litter pails work well. Drill holes in the bottom AND up the sides with a 1/2" paddle bit.
    1- 40# sack of Agway manure with humus
    1- 8 qt sack of perlite
    1 bag of farfard seedling starting medium- it's not overferted.
    Big rubbermaid tote for mixing and storage

    Nutrients and other chemicals:
    Alaska Fish Emulsion
    Cornucopia Bloom or PureBlend Pro Bloom
    pH kit that includes liquid indicator, up, and down
    Green Light neem concentrate
    Bonide Rotenone with Pyrethrins (only use in veg, and only if you get bugs)
    I also like to keep Soil Syrup and GH Micro around to fix any problems that arise.

    This is literally ALL you need to get going!

    Cloning supplies:
    X-acto knife w/ blades
    use the prop tray you already have, but clean it well
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  20. drheton

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    Do ya flush?

    No mention of the pre-harvest flush... I am very curious what your thoughts are. I started an utterly unsuccessful Mythbuster in basic growing about it; perhaps you could weigh in.
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